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I don't know what bike theft is like in other cities, but the threat is overstated in my city. If you ubolt the bike with a quality lock and chain the wheels...without leaving it out for long periods...you are unlikely to be a theft victim. A lot of thefts happen here in garages, yards and common areas of buildings - there just isn't an army of my professional bike thieves armed with angle grinders. Most theft is opportunism and strikes bikes that are poorly secured. The professional thieves hunt bigger game - scooters, motor cycles and quads.
I'd rather have insurance and enjoy riding my bike than ride a POS out of fear. I've lived and commuted in philadelphia for near 20 years now - the only thefts were pumps and saddle bag related. |
Originally Posted by spare_wheel
(Post 17914510)
Theft and bike mode are very positively correlated. The more people cycling, the more likely your bike will be stolen.
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I've registered my bike here -- http://bikeregistry.com/ -- as well as with the local police.
Bikeregistry.com is free to register (not to be confused with the expensive bikeregister.com) and sells security label kits for $1 plus postage. The labels simply give the bikeregister website and are very hard to remove -- they break up and take a long time to get off. The idea is to make your bike less attractive for a quick sale. I also filled seat and stem boltheads with lead solder -- just tapped it in with a hammer and punch -- and use velo orange security skewers plus a pinhead headset bolt. I've modified a Magnum u-lock by encasing it with aluminum pipe. The weight increase is modest but it makes the lock grinder-resistant as the soft aluminum loads up the grinding wheel and destroys it. The added thickness makes it hard to grip or cut with bolt-cutters. I'm also looking to coat it with kevlar fabric to make it hard to hacksaw. It may seem excessive but most u-locks apparently can be cut in seconds with a battery powered grinder so they really offer very little security. |
Originally Posted by GovernorSilver
(Post 17915566)
In response to the "worst city for bike theft" ranking, bike advocates in Philadelphia are pushing for a citywide registration program. Police precincts currently have bike registration programs at the precinct level.
The forum software won't let me post the link here, so just go to Google and enter "worst city bike theft"
Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
(Post 17941021)
I don't know what bike theft is like in other cities, but the threat is overstated in my city.
Extract from the blog: "...that’s what the data tells us. This list is compiled by our proprietary data….input from our regional managers, hundreds of shop visits, input from colleges and universities we talk with, our customer service interactions (both over the phone/email and at events) and data from police in various cities." IOW: a big bag of baloney. |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 17958071)
The Google cited Kryptonite Blog that named Philadelphia as the worst city for bike theft is seven years old. The methodology used appears to be a mishmash of somebody at Kryptonite's cherry picked anecdotes and a vague reference to "proprietary" data:
Extract from the blog: "...that’s what the data tells us. This list is compiled by our proprietary data….input from our regional managers, hundreds of shop visits, input from colleges and universities we talk with, our customer service interactions (both over the phone/email and at events) and data from police in various cities." IOW: a big bag of baloney. I've told this story before...my Merckx with campy c-record came to me after being locked up with a rather crappy u-bolt in North Philadelphia (temple U) for 3 months. A Merckx lasted 3 months with a ubolt below the level I'd use in a higher crime area of the city. |
My advice: Use two locks. Buy a GOOD chain, one that can't be cut in 3 seconds, and buy a U-lock. I usually use one to lock my bike to whatever (signpost/rack/etc) and the other to lock my pannier and back wheel to my rack/bike.
Good chains can't be cut in 3 seconds. Bad chains CAN be cut in 3 seconds. Bad U-locks can be cut in 3 seconds with the same tool. Honestly, the hardest thing I've ever had to cut off of a bike was a cheapy cable lock. We were trying to cut it with bolt cutters, it didn't work. You need cable cutters for those things. |
I commute with a Huffy and never lock it up..........
http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/...psfwv6w5dc.jpg |
I moved Out of the big cities ..
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Originally Posted by asmac
(Post 17957653)
I've modified a Magnum u-lock by encasing it with aluminum pipe. The weight increase is modest but it makes the lock grinder-resistant as the soft aluminum loads up the grinding wheel and destroys it. The added thickness makes it hard to grip or cut with bolt-cutters. I'm also looking to coat it with kevlar fabric to make it hard to hacksaw. It may seem excessive but most u-locks apparently can be cut in seconds with a battery powered grinder so they really offer very little security. I don't quite understand the aluminium pipe one though. You cover the shackle in the pipe? |
That video made it look like pretty much any lock is useless against some big enough bolt cutters.
Is there such a thing as a bike lock alarm? Where if the lock is broken, a circuit is broken and thus a car alarm type sound goes off? I don't leave my bike in an area where I really have to worry about bike theft. But if I did, I'd probably either ride a non-tempting beater and/or remove the front wheel and seat to make it less tempting. Otherwise I think the next best defense would be a tracking device so you can at least hope to recover the bike. |
Originally Posted by mgw4jc
(Post 17960823)
That video made it look like pretty much any lock is useless against some big enough bolt cutters.
Originally Posted by mgw4jc
(Post 17960823)
That video made it look like pretty much any lock is useless against some big enough bolt cutters.
Is there such a thing as a bike lock alarm? Where if the lock is broken, a circuit is broken and thus a car alarm type sound goes off?
Originally Posted by mgw4jc
(Post 17960823)
Otherwise I think the next best defense would be a tracking device so you can at least hope to recover the bike.
https://www.nationalbikeregistry.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bike_registry |
Originally Posted by mgw4jc
(Post 17960823)
That video made it look like pretty much any lock is useless against some big enough bolt cutters.
Is there such a thing as a bike lock alarm? Where if the lock is broken, a circuit is broken and thus a car alarm type sound goes off? I don't leave my bike in an area where I really have to worry about bike theft. But if I did, I'd probably either ride a non-tempting beater and/or remove the front wheel and seat to make it less tempting. Otherwise I think the next best defense would be a tracking device so you can at least hope to recover the bike. The other thing you can easily do besides remove the front wheel is remove the seat and pedals and take them with you. Quick release pedals like these make that simple: Amazon.com : MKS Promenade Quick Release Road Pedals : Bike Pedals : Sports & Outdoors |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 17907572)
One day I went to the local Jerry's Building store and realized that I didn't have a lock. So, I asked someone at customer service if they'd watch my bike, and they said to just take the bike into the store. Wheeling it around really wasn't much different from a shopping cart.
The bouncer (greeter) at the door pointed me to the rack outside. I explained that I didn't have a lock. So, he said I could leave my bike in customer service. I just didn't want to leave my new $1500 bike up there with no guaranteed continuity of people there. So, I just left. I don't know if they changed policies. Never had a policy, or what. But my bike was clean and dry, and they have wide aisles where I would not have been any more intrusive than people pushing around monster sized carts with awkward loads sticking out. Well, strike another locally owned local business off the "bike friendly" list. |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 18819077)
Well, yesterday, I just decided I didn't want to carry a lock that weighed half as much as my bike. So I left it at home. I had a couple of things planned not requiring a lock, then heading to the building supply store.
The bouncer (greeter) at the door pointed me to the rack outside. I explained that I didn't have a lock. So, he said I could leave my bike in customer service. I just didn't want to leave my new $1500 bike up there with no guaranteed continuity of people there. So, I just left. I don't know if they changed policies. Never had a policy, or what. But my bike was clean and dry, and they have wide aisles where I would not have been any more intrusive than people pushing around monster sized carts with awkward loads sticking out. Well, strike another locally owned local business off the "bike friendly" list. |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 18819077)
Well, yesterday, I just decided I didn't want to carry a lock that weighed half as much as my bike. So I left it at home. I had a couple of things planned not requiring a lock, then heading to the building supply store.
The bouncer (greeter) at the door pointed me to the rack outside. I explained that I didn't have a lock. So, he said I could leave my bike in customer service. I just didn't want to leave my new $1500 bike up there with no guaranteed continuity of people there. So, I just left. I don't know if they changed policies. Never had a policy, or what. But my bike was clean and dry, and they have wide aisles where I would not have been any more intrusive than people pushing around monster sized carts with awkward loads sticking out. Well, strike another locally owned local business off the "bike friendly" list. |
Originally Posted by CliffordK
(Post 18819077)
Well, yesterday, I just decided I didn't want to carry a lock that weighed half as much as my bike. So I left it at home. I had a couple of things planned not requiring a lock, then heading to the building supply store.
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Originally Posted by corrado33
(Post 17958154)
My advice: Use two locks. Buy a GOOD chain, one that can't be cut in 3 seconds, and buy a U-lock. I usually use one to lock my bike to whatever (signpost/rack/etc) and the other to lock my pannier and back wheel to my rack/bike.
Good chains can't be cut in 3 seconds. Bad chains CAN be cut in 3 seconds. Bad U-locks can be cut in 3 seconds with the same tool. Honestly, the hardest thing I've ever had to cut off of a bike was a cheapy cable lock. We were trying to cut it with bolt cutters, it didn't work. You need cable cutters for those things. Aaron, I think that while that Merckx lasted three months without being stolen, the owner got lucky. The longer you leave a bike out, the more opportunity you make for thieves, and this story doesn't prove that leaving a bike out is a safe practice, unless you're locking an English 3-speed. |
Originally Posted by Johnny Mullet
(Post 17958263)
I commute with a Huffy and never lock it up..........
http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/...psfwv6w5dc.jpg |
Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 18824657)
Aaron, I think that while that Merckx lasted three months without being stolen, the owner got lucky. The longer you leave a bike out, the more opportunity you make for thieves, and this story doesn't prove that leaving a bike out is a safe practice, unless you're locking an English 3-speed.
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Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 18824657)
I've cut through cables with cable cutters. The first time I did it, I was astonished at how easy it was. It was like using scissors through paper. Never rely on those cables in high theft areas, because thieves do carry cable cutters to prey on people who don't know better. The weird thing is that they don't carry wrenches.
Aaron, I think that while that Merckx lasted three months without being stolen, the owner got lucky. The longer you leave a bike out, the more opportunity you make for thieves, and this story doesn't prove that leaving a bike out is a safe practice, unless you're locking an English 3-speed. |
Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
(Post 18825627)
Tom - properly locked bikes don't get stolen around here...maybe NYC is different.
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I don't know why I even bother to lock it at all when I'm in Dallas. So different from the big coastal cities.
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I usually use a $10 cable lock to secure my $1000+ vintage bicycle when I am downtown. Last night I somehow left my keys in the lock. I was gone for about three hours and my bicycle and keys were still there. Wondering where I live? I live in Osaka, Japan, where high end bicycle thefts are rare. Couldn't imagine this turning out the way it did, if I was in a big city in America.
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Fortunate small town
Luckily in my town there were only nine bike thefts last year, all involving kids taking other kids' unlocked bikes of the lab and were later recovered.
I always secure the frame and rear wheel with the U-lock (don't like Sheldon method for some reason) and I use a separate keyed cable lock for the wheel. I have a permanent cable securing the seat. All accessories get put into my trunk bag. Overly cautious for small town, but it beats being a victim. |
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