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kickstart 06-26-15 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by caloso (Post 17929536)
200m is a sprint. 4 miles is not a sprint.

A 4 mile sprint at 30 mph? No problem, piece of cake.











Just point me out a nice straight, uninterrupted, 4 mile long hill to ride down. ;)

spare_wheel 06-26-15 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by hardboiled718 (Post 17928081)
How long are you maintaining that speed?

*sprint*

spare_wheel 06-26-15 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by jfowler85 (Post 17928587)
1) You're probably lying.

You exposed me! In reality I'm a fred who is is sick and tired of being passed by long distance commuters who can actually ride at 20 mph (after a 4 mile warm up)!

CliffordK 06-26-15 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by caloso (Post 17929536)
200m is a sprint. 4 miles is not a sprint.

Call it what you want... I can average riding faster for 4 miles than I can ride for 20 miles or 100+ miles.

And there is no need to conserve lots of energy for the rest of the ride.

john4789 06-26-15 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 17927989)
i would happily race any pro road racer (but not a track racer) on my dilapidated beater (32x11 is the highest ratio) vs my 16 lb road bike for prize money.

Oh, ok.

spare_wheel 06-27-15 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by john4789 (Post 17930519)
Oh, ok.

The engine matters a lot but gear ratios also matter a lot. All sorts of fancy training regimens (and diet) can help you be a faster sprinter but if one really wants to have a faster cruising speed they need to continuously ride in a higher ratio until it becomes comfortable and then ride in a higher ratio again. And that's my wisdom as an almost 50 year old who smokes cat 6 whippersnappers every damn day.

I-Like-To-Bike 06-27-15 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 17931300)
TAnd that's my wisdom as an almost 50 year old who smokes cat 6 whippersnappers every damn day.

Do the whippersnappers know that they are in a race with a bicycling stud? Or that they are even in a race at all?

spare_wheel 06-27-15 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 17931309)
Do the whippersnappers know that they are in a race with a bicycling stud? Or that they are even in a race at all?

On my commute we often form a small peloton west-bound up the Hawthorne bridge. Fun.

I-Like-To-Bike 06-27-15 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 17931925)
On my commute we often form a small peloton west-bound up the Hawthorne bridge. Fun.

Do Portland bike commuters really willingly follow strangers that closely at any kind of speed for any kind of distance (peloton style); do Portland bike commuters really willingly allow strangers to follow them that closely at speed for any kind of distance?

If so, what for; to gain a few seconds on the commute?

Doesn't sound like fun to me.

wolfchild 06-27-15 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by CliffordK (Post 17929282)
4 miles and you're done. You could do that at a full sprint.

A "real sprint" usually lasts only about 10-30 seconds at most and anything longer then that is not a sprint.
The energy system in a human body can only generate enough ATP to allow about 10-30 seconds of maximal speed or power and after that you slow down. There is no human being who can ride 4 miles in 10-30 seconds.

gregf83 06-27-15 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 17931988)
Do Portland bike commuters really willingly follow strangers that closely at any kind of speed for any kind of distance (peloton style); do Portland bike commuters really willingly allow strangers to follow them that closely at speed for any kind of distance?

If so, what for; to gain a few seconds on the commute?

Doesn't sound like fun to me.

Makes the time go a little faster and it can be enjoyable. Once you've had some experience the risks are quite low.

wolfchild 06-27-15 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 17927959)

It takes me a minute or two to hit 30 mph.

1-2 minutes ??. What's taking you so long ??:p...On a flat road with no wind, I can go from 0-30 in less then a minute on my fixed gear commuter bike , but I can only maintain that speed for few seconds before spinning out and then I need to slow down.

CliffordK 06-27-15 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by wolfchild (Post 17932061)
A "real sprint" usually lasts only about 10-30 seconds at most and anything longer then that is not a sprint.
The energy system in a human body can only generate enough ATP to allow about 10-30 seconds of maximal speed or power and after that you slow down. There is no human being who can ride 4 miles in 10-30 seconds.

True,
But there are a couple of people that are able to maintain 30 MPH (2 minute miles) for an hour without drafting.
Excluding stop lights, they should be able to finish the 4 mile ride in about 8 minutes, perhaps a bit less, after all, it is only 8 minutes, and not an hour.

spare_wheel 06-28-15 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by wolfchild (Post 17932096)
1-2 minutes ??. What's taking you so long ??:p...On a flat road with no wind, I can go from 0-30 in less then a minute on my fixed gear commuter bike , but I can only maintain that speed for few seconds before spinning out and then I need to slow down.

I originally wrote about a minute but decided that the commuting forum was not ready for that kind of honesty. ;)

(I tire of the sarcastic exclamations that anyone who can sustain 25 mph should be riding the tour de france.)

spare_wheel 06-28-15 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by CliffordK (Post 17932309)
True,
But there are a couple of people that are able to maintain 30 MPH (2 minute miles) for an hour without drafting.
Excluding stop lights, they should be able to finish the 4 mile ride in about 8 minutes, perhaps a bit less, after all, it is only 8 minutes, and not an hour.


A couple of people. Hahahahahaha!

kickstart 06-28-15 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 17933875)
I originally wrote about a minute but decided that the commuting forum was not ready for that kind of honesty. ;)

(I tire of the sarcastic exclamations that anyone who can sustain 25 mph should be riding the tour de france.)

Seeing posts on a forum and seeing it in person are two different things (no accusation meant or implied). Typical encounters on my daily commute, running errands, or weekend rides rarely confirm such athletic prowess except for those rare occasions I cross paths with a serious club ride.
Its not exactly being cynical to take such claims with a grain of salt. "if its on the internet it must be true" ;)

hardboiled718 06-28-15 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 17929783)
*sprint*

I saw that you wrote sprint but you also wrote that it takes you a few minutes to get to that speed. Since sprints don't generally last that long I though you might build up to that as your cruising speed.

jfowler85 06-29-15 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 17929833)
You exposed me! In reality I'm a fred who is is sick and tired of being passed by long distance commuters who can actually ride at 20 mph (after a 4 mile warm up)!

...ok?

CliffordK 06-29-15 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 17933878)
A couple of people. Hahahahahaha!

Since the UCI doesn't govern commuters, it might be more.
Graeme Obree would be able to ride with the handlebars of his choice.
And, old Lance (not an hour contender) would be allowed to take the meds of his choice.

caloso 06-29-15 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by CliffordK (Post 17932309)
True,
But there are a couple of people that are able to maintain 30 MPH (2 minute miles) for an hour without drafting.
Excluding stop lights, they should be able to finish the 4 mile ride in about 8 minutes, perhaps a bit less, after all, it is only 8 minutes, and not an hour.

A couple. An effort like that would get you a top 10 finish at the national championship TT. https://www.usacycling.org/results/i...permit=2015-12

spare_wheel 06-29-15 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by caloso (Post 17936445)
A couple. An effort like that would get you a top 10 finish at the national championship TT. https://www.usacycling.org/results/i...permit=2015-12

That is some deep field you link to. Perhaps you have not followed the recent cattle call of pros who have ridden an hour at 32+. I believe Wiggins just hit 34 mph.

Although to be fair...without pharamceuticals and doping 30 might still be a big barrier.


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