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Old 07-14-15, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by LoriRose
I'm still fairly new to commuting so please if I am doing something VERY wrong here please let me know! To me, if it's safe to go then why not?
You sound as if you have the situation well in hand. Much of the so-called safety advice dished out as gospel on BF may seem friendly, but it is often Stupid and Pathetic!
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Originally Posted by Shimagnolo
See post #39 .
Yes, because everybody always obeys the traffics laws - always - especially cyclists. I think we can all agree that bending the rules in certain instances is not unheard of and also not inherently dangerous. While this is a generalization which can be dangerous when applied unreasonably, in this specific circumstance I think it's overkill to stubbornly refuse to go ahead at an intersection where you have been waved through by a motorist, even when it is safe, in the name of obeying the traffic law 'at all costs.' This attitude of "I know the law better than you and choose to abide by it and teach you a lesson" while appropriate for a lot of situations on the road, is in this case sometimes just self-righteous ego.

Originally Posted by cooker
You're not doing something wrong, they are. They waved you through, but in fact, it wasn't safe, and you had to wait for some other vehicle. Imagine if you were a child on a bike and a driver waved you through, and you assumed that as an adult, they know what they are doing. You might not be as alert to the danger of that other car. So their ill-conceived attempt at politeness could get someone killed.
Yes, anyone who would wave a child through without first being sure it is safe for that child is an idiot. But we are not children. We know how to do this for ourselves.

Originally Posted by cooker
LOL, No, I know it wasn't safe because that's what the poster I quoted said:As did you:So we agree, sometimes waving people through might be dangerous. Fortunately both of you knew enough to ignore the wave because you recognized it was dangerous. But what about somebody who gets sucked in by the wave and isn't as careful as you?
In this case it is the cyclist who is the idiot.

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Old 07-14-15, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by LoriRose
But we are not children. We know how to do this for ourselves.
Yes, as I pointed out, you're doing fine.
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In this case it is the cyclist who is the idiot.
Yes, and since some cyclists are undoubtedly idiots (or inexperienced children) it would be great if other idiots don't accidentally help get them killed, by blithely waving them through, thinking they're doing them a favour.
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Originally Posted by cooker
Yes, and since some cyclists are undoubtedly idiots (or inexperienced children) it would be great if other idiots don't accidentally help get them killed, by blithely waving them through, thinking they're doing them a favour.
Fair enough. But why bother taking a stand with an idiot? To teach them the lesson is the only real answer. Life is too short for me to go around trying to reform stupidity. I'll accept the wave as a kind gesture and get to my destination faster and less annoyed.
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Originally Posted by LoriRose
Fair enough. But why bother taking a stand with an idiot? To teach them the lesson is the only real answer. Life is too short for me to go around trying to reform stupidity. I'll accept the wave as a kind gesture and get to my destination faster and less annoyed.
I'd prefer everybody follow more or less the same rules, as I think it makes traffic a lot more predictable and safer. If I let somebody wave me through, the next person they wave through might be that idiot or child we were talking about.
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Originally Posted by cooker
I'd prefer everybody follow more or less the same rules, as I think it makes traffic a lot more predictable and safer. If I let somebody wave me through, the next person they wave through might be that idiot or child we were talking about.
I cannot argue against what should be. There are those who actively try to effect change toward what should be, then there are those who see how it is and adapt accordingly to save themselves the troubling task of saving the world so to speak. We have to choose our battles and not choose too many for our own sanity. I have learned that there are just some things that I need to let slide - and I suppose I have decided that this is one of them. That being said who am I to judge those who want to take on the task of alerting idiot drivers to their stupid ways. Instead, I thank them for taking on the challenge and I will stick to my chosen battles.
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Accepting a courtesy from a motorists is like choosing ones lane position, it should be acted upon as the situation dictates, not some 3rd party ideology or desire to control others.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
Accepting a courtesy from a motorists is like choosing ones lane position, it should be acted upon as the situation dictates, not some 3rd party ideology or desire to control others.
I'm only controlling myself. The other party is responsible for their actions
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Originally Posted by kickstart
Accepting a courtesy from a motorists is like choosing ones lane position, it should be acted upon as the situation dictates, not some 3rd party ideology or desire to control others.
+1
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Old 07-14-15, 02:31 PM
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I totally get this thread (the early part, not so much the later bickering). It annoys me so much when I take the trouble to stop, put my foot down to show a driver I'm stopping, but they wave me through, so I have to hurry up and get out of their way, and all that stopping was wasted momentum for nothing.

I like the water bottle and right-turn ideas, I'll look for opportunities to try those out!
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I will dismount and stand in the middle of the lane until the person who actually HAS the right of way takes it. Disrupting traffic rules is dangerous, and the cyclist is going to be the one who pays for it if their "nice" behavior backfires.
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Old 07-14-15, 02:38 PM
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My tactic is to hold up a hand - half is Thank you wave, and half is a clear upright palm indicating STOP, and I then accept their friendly gesture and proceed.
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Old 07-14-15, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RubeRad
I totally get this thread (the early part, not so much the later bickering). It annoys me so much when I take the trouble to stop, put my foot down to show a driver I'm stopping, but they wave me through, so I have to hurry up and get out of their way, and all that stopping was wasted momentum for nothing.

I like the water bottle and right-turn ideas, I'll look for opportunities to try those out!
+1. I graciously accept the wave with a nod and a smile UNLESS you make me put my foot down. Do the waving a little sooner (as many non-stupid people do).
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Originally Posted by LoriRose
I cannot argue against what should be. There are those who actively try to effect change toward what should be, then there are those who see how it is and adapt accordingly to save themselves the troubling task of saving the world so to speak. We have to choose our battles and not choose too many for our own sanity. I have learned that there are just some things that I need to let slide - and I suppose I have decided that this is one of them. That being said who am I to judge those who want to take on the task of alerting idiot drivers to their stupid ways. Instead, I thank them for taking on the challenge and I will stick to my chosen battles.
+1. Eventually we learn to recognize the things that we're not going to change anyway. Combine that with some recognition that the clock is ticking and you start getting used to the wave and treating it like the friendly gesture that it is. Or maybe they think you really have the right of way because they don't know the law. Or maybe they're afraid to move their car at all around a cyclist. Or whatever - I'm getting on down the road and spreading good karma to boot.
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Originally Posted by Dave Cutter
Of course I can drink anytime I chose. But the public doesn't know that.
Before I began riding, I too was under the erroneous belief that cyclists were inextricably bound by some physical or metaphysical law which prevented them from drinking at their own fancy.

Originally Posted by Neddog
The key is not to hesitate. Even if the other driver has the right of way, if he is clearly waiting for you then don't make him wait. Being cautious and being hesitant is NOT the same thing...
The problem arises when the order becomes confused with other drivers at the intersection. Or if the lane is split and the there is a driver next to the waver who wants to make the left turn while you're being waved through. My employer's building is located on a college campus; during the academic year I ride home through a choke point in order to get to a MUP. Around the time I get off, that intersection can be backed up for 2+ blocks in all directions...things get crazy in a hurry when the less intelligent students are trying to get through as quickly as possible and someone upsets the order by waving people through. Also commuted through a double 4-way a few years ago. In such situations, if given the right of way, I rarely take it.

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I will dismount and stand in the middle of the lane until the person who actually HAS the right of way takes it. Disrupting traffic rules is dangerous, and the cyclist is going to be the one who pays for it if their "nice" behavior backfires.
Plus one.

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I'm generally grateful if a driver waves me through or shows some excessive courtesy. We have enough to complain about with dangerous, texting, oblivious, drivers who don't think they should have to share the road, I'm not about to start complaining about the other end of the spectrum.

Originally Posted by Slaninar
I hate pedestrians when you stop on a zebra crossing to let them cross that wave you on. By the time I was slowing down, they could have passed and I wouldn't have had to stop... but nooooo....
+1. This is one of my pet peeves. I get not wanting to be hit by a car, but if I'm clearly slowing down and making eye contact with you while waving you through, it's okay to start walking before I come to a complete stop.
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Originally Posted by gaucho777
I'm generally grateful if a driver waves me through or shows some excessive courtesy. We have enough to complain about with dangerous, texting, oblivious, drivers who don't think they should have to share the road, I'm not about to start complaining about the other end of the spectrum.
+1. I imagine such drivers as sometimes-cyclists trying to make it a little easier on a fellow rider
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I would think that a sometimes-cyclist driver would understand that, if I brake and put my foot down, I don't want my stop to be for nothing, and as a driver he should respect and honor the fact that a cyclist is following the rules of the road and GO THROUGH THE DAMN INTERSECTION ALREADY!
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Originally Posted by jfowler85
The problem arises when the order becomes confused with other drivers at the intersection. Or if the lane is split and the there is a driver next to the waver who wants to make the left turn while you're being waved through. My employer's building is located on a college campus; during the academic year I ride home through a choke point in order to get to a MUP. Around the time I get off, that intersection can be backed up for 2+ blocks in all directions...things get crazy in a hurry when the less intelligent students are trying to get through as quickly as possible and someone upsets the order by waving people through. Also commuted through a double 4-way a few years ago. In such situations, if given the right of way, I rarely take it.
Waving people through a 4-way stop is just stupid. It definitely does cause troubles, and should not be done.

But think about it another way... it doesn't really matter who has the actual right-of-way, if somebody stops to wave you through, and you do the same... what have you become? Another person trying to wave somebody through instead of just going. I know that's not your intention, but think about the actual results - it only adds to the confusion.
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Originally Posted by RubeRad
I would think that a sometimes-cyclist driver would understand that, if I brake and put my foot down, I don't want my stop to be for nothing, and as a driver he should respect and honor the fact that a cyclist is following the rules of the road and GO THROUGH THE DAMN INTERSECTION ALREADY!
Yes, this is the most annoying part of it! You've stopped our precious momentum for nothing. Ugh.
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Send those polite drivers out here!

The types of drivers out here are not polite at all. They roll through stop signs in town - which, when you're riding the ROW is a little scary on a bike as you have no idea if they have seen you or are going to pull the whole way out (which often happens). Lots of cars pull out in front of cyclists here, even though they have stop signs.

Then there are the idiots in their cars who stop at every intersection (for unknown reasons) even though the road they are on has the ROW and no stop signs. Very annoying and dangerous on a bike - you don't know why they are stopping and the usually get moving again as you prepare to pass them on a bike.
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Sloooooooowly creep (almost track standing) into the intersection and play the stop-go-stop-go game until someone actually takes the initiative and goes. Kind of like when your walking down the street and another person is walking right into you, and you both move left and right at the same time until one of you gets pissed off enough to completely walk around the other person.

The other option is to ride around the back of the car.

OR...just ride like this:


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I encounter this often. Sure the person is being nice, but they don't realize the harm they are doing. Other drivers may not be so nice and may still be a danger. It also confuses some drivers as it changes the order of who goes next at a busy intersection. I just wish people would go and be on their way so I could do the same.
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And THAT's why we can't have nice things! (like cars & bikes getting along together on the roads).

LOL check out mr shoe-braker at 1:55!
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Originally Posted by urbanescapee
I've found the best way that works for me is to put my foot down, literally. Then I just take both hands off the handlebars. I haven't encountered a driver yet that hasn't seen that as a clear signal that I have no intentions of dancing with a 1+ ton steel box.
Bingo!
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