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Old 07-15-15, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by urbanescapee
I've found the best way that works for me is to put my foot down, literally. Then I just take both hands off the handlebars. I haven't encountered a driver yet that hasn't seen that as a clear signal that I have no intentions of dancing with a 1+ ton steel box.
This and take a drink of water.
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Originally Posted by Neddog
Waving people through a 4-way stop is just stupid. It definitely does cause troubles, and should not be done.

But think about it another way... it doesn't really matter who has the actual right-of-way, if somebody stops to wave you through, and you do the same... what have you become? Another person trying to wave somebody through instead of just going. I know that's not your intention, but think about the actual results - it only adds to the confusion.
I look at it yet another way. My experiences have shown me that I can restore order to the intersection by forcing the waver to go through. Most of time, say....7/10 times, this is successful. The other 3/10 it either just fails or someone else gets impatient and goes, in which case I either go with another car who is going my way, wait for the intersection to "reset" or just go for it when a hole opens up. I have never come upon a situation where the entire intersection degrades into wavers and chaos.

I do see the potential logical fallacy though, but I am willing to sit it out until I am nearly completely certain that I have a clean line through the intersection. If I died on my bicycle, my wife would kill me.

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Old 07-17-15, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by urbanescapee
I've found the best way that works for me is to put my foot down, literally. Then I just take both hands off the handlebars.
+1 for this

The problem is when I'm turning left, and a car is coming in the other direction, and they decide to be nice and courteous and stop and let me go, even though they clearly have the right of way. I really didn't want to come to a complete stop, unclip, and put my foot down while I'm in the middle of the road. But it's what I then have to do, because I don't like to jump in front of a car that has the right of way, especially if I'm misinterpreting their courtesy.
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A driver slammed on the brakes in a traffic circle this morning when she saw me entering an adjacent lane. I was in perfect position to slot in behind her (the next lane over) but instead I had to go around her and lead her out of the circle. Argh. Use your right of way!!!
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Friendly stupid comes to mind also for the drivers that beg you to go ahead of them (like waving you thru a right turn) only to then pull out right behind you and act all impatient looking for a way around you. Idiot!
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Originally Posted by Walter S
I'm sure you encounter them. They respect you as a cyclist. They smile as they express joy in seeing a fellow human being out and enjoying himself and being active. The world is such a nice place. And yet...(fill in the blank)

Now they want to do you a favor. There are multiple versions of this. There's always a delay involved. One of my favorites is the people that sit behind a tinted glass and try to give me right of way that is not mine by default. I would smile and say thank you and pedal on thru. But I can't see anything except sometimes some shadows that just might be somebody waving me on. That's not enough to make me roll forward only to be found mistaken and pay the price.

And later I'm sure many of them think I'm an idiot.
I hate tinted windows. I totally rely on eye-contact before moving forward, especially at cross streets when cars approach stop signs or a yield situations like a parking lot exist. Damned tinted windows make it impossible to know if the idiot behind the wheel sees me or is just looking for cars and ready to bust out onto the road right in front of me.
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Old 07-17-15, 09:30 PM
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On my daily commute I see this all the time and I'm frankly sick of it. There is a parkway that I have to cross it is one of the three roads I have to interact with on my commute the rest is on a bike path, and I always see someone during the TWO whole times I cross morning/afternoon stop and wave through pedestrians and bikers but the other lane of traffic is not going to stop just because this joker did. So now he has a queue behind him while he waits, so now the queue just gets bigger and bigger until the other side is finally empty or he gives up and I now have to wait for all these other cars to go or try and stop for me or someone else.

I also have a bike blvd that I sometimes use to go in to a major part of the city and it has a major road crossing at only one point, it has a button for bikers to hit so the lights flash so we may cross. In this area no one ever stops, I do not get it it says it giant letters to stop for pedestrians/bikers. Yet the joker at the parkway stops for me when he does not have to.

And one the first intersection I hit it is a 2 way stop but 4 ways. My way has right of way since it does not stop, well I would say once a week someone coming from the opposite direction of me just turns doesn't even care that I am there.

When I have to drive I am the biggest dick on the road to cyclist I guess. No one gets the illegal right of way, I do not wave anyone through but I do make eye contact with a cyclist. And what I see more often then not is cyclist just rolling right through a 4 way, not evening coming close to stopping, I think they get conditioned to think they always get right of way.
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Old 07-18-15, 07:22 PM
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Yep. Extremely aggrevating when My momentum is ruined because somebody decides to be nice and wave me through. That's one of the first things they taught me in driving school. Always follow the rules, even if it's "impeding" somebody else. Anything else will ruin the flow of traffic.
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Originally Posted by ParkingTheBus
Yep. Extremely aggrevating when My momentum is ruined because somebody decides to be nice and wave me through. That's one of the first things they taught me in driving school. Always follow the rules, even if it's "impeding" somebody else. Anything else will ruin the flow of traffic.
Well if you follow the rules and stop at the stop sign, your momentum is ruined anyways, but being waved through out of turn makes that loss of momentum worth nothing.
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Old 07-19-15, 09:45 AM
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I just stop and pretend to rummage around my pockets like I'm looking for something. They get the message pretty quickly. Just don't make eye contact.
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Old 07-19-15, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RubeRad
Well if you follow the rules and stop at the stop sign, your momentum is ruined anyways, but being waved through out of turn makes that loss of momentum worth nothing.
Most people, including cars roll through stop signs anyways ��
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Originally Posted by baron von trail
I hate tinted windows. I totally rely on eye-contact before moving forward, especially at cross streets when cars approach stop signs or a yield situations like a parking lot exist.
I used to rely on eye contact. But a number of years ago when I was riding on Beacon Street by Boston, I made eye contact with a sweet little old lady stopped on a side street, waiting to go. Since I was the only vehicle on Beacon, I was pretty confident between the eye contact and her having stopped that she saw me. She broadsided me and knocked me across to the boulevard median, twisting the frame into a pretzel but otherwise not injuring me at all. A cop had been about a block back and saw the whole thing. As soon as he pulled up, she bounded out of her car and said that she didn't think she had hit me! The cop just laughed. But I learned a valuable lesson about the reliability of eye contact.
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Originally Posted by tclune
I used to rely on eye contact. But a number of years ago when I was riding on Beacon Street by Boston, I made eye contact with a sweet little old lady stopped on a side street, waiting to go. Since I was the only vehicle on Beacon, I was pretty confident between the eye contact and her having stopped that she saw me. She broadsided me and knocked me across to the boulevard median, twisting the frame into a pretzel but otherwise not injuring me at all. A cop had been about a block back and saw the whole thing. As soon as he pulled up, she bounded out of her car and said that she didn't think she had hit me! The cop just laughed. But I learned a valuable lesson about the reliability of eye contact.
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I had this happen twice in 2 blocks last night! The first time it happened I decided to take a different route and it was deja vu all over again!
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This happens to me on almost every ride in San Francisco. I'm grateful for any scrap of consideration from my automobile overlords and acknowledgement that I actually exist since most of the time I feel like at best a barely tolerated pest and at worst the source of all evil in the universe that must be exterminated with extreme prejudice.

I tend to get into a "No, my good sir/madame, I must insist that you proceed first" waving loop with them as I'd rather not risk being on the losing end of an "oops, I thought you waved me through" misunderstanding. Some drivers seem to resent when I refuse to take them up on their kind offer of their right of way judging from their facial expressions which always makes me feel a slight pang of guilt that I've further damaged the already strained car and bicycle relationship.

I love the "niceholes" nickname for them mentioned earlier in the thread. There is no way not to think of them in those terms now.
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One thing that I'll mention is the fact that we really ought to be used to the idea that we're going to lose our momentum many times on every commute. It's just the way of traffic. We will lose our momentum any number of times for very good reasons and we're going to lose it any number of times for poor reasons. Because someone else does something dumb.

So I don't let it bother me. It would be something like letting gravity bother me. Doesn't seem like there's any point to it.

As for those people who try to forfeit their right of way, all you need to do is pass them through. Just do it as though you're an actor on a stage. Exaggerate your movements and your 'body language'. Mouth the words; "No thanks. You go right ahead!" and exaggerate your 'mouthing' of those words. Go ahead; be a big, fat ham.

It almost always works just fine.

Then as they're passing you by, wave at them and say, "Thank you, anyway". Go ahead and exaggerate that, too. Everyone rides away feeling happy. A possibly awkward and dangerous situation has been converted into a pleasant social interaction.

Now, I don't ride in places where I might face three lanes of oncoming, 45 mph traffic. And if I were in such a place and one of those cars stopped and tried to wave me through, then I'd adjust my tactics a bit. I'd be less cheerful and friendly and I'd attempt to act more dumb-founded, hamming it up again. I'd be shaking my head and mouthing the words, "There is no way in the world that I'm going!".

I'd think that most people would understand that. And if someone didn't, then I'd just be prepared to wait a while until they got out of there. As they passed, I'd still than them. But I'd put on my 'incredulous' act.

Acting is the key. Just make it so obvious that even the dumbest person in the world --a sister-in-law, for instance-- can't help but get the point.
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They recently turned an intersection near me into a 4 way stop. It's one I frequently go through when riding with my wife and it's been pretty smooth with everyone going in turn. Except for yesterday when we arrived and there was a sheriff already stopped to our right. So we come to a full and complete stop as he has ROW and damned if he doesn't then wave us through.

What are you going to do? We smiled and made our left in front of him.
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Originally Posted by bluegoatwoods
Acting is the key. Just make it so obvious that even the dumbest person in the world --a sister-in-law, for instance-- can't help but get the point.
Curious as to why you would equate a spouse's sibling, or sibling's spouse, with people that have a lower IQ...
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
Curious as to why you would equate a spouse's sibling, or sibling's spouse, with people that have a lower IQ...
Nothing more than a silly joke. But I'll betcha there're plenty of folks who 'get it'.
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Originally Posted by jon c.
They recently turned an intersection near me into a 4 way stop. It's one I frequently go through when riding with my wife and it's been pretty smooth with everyone going in turn. Except for yesterday when we arrived and there was a sheriff already stopped to our right. So we come to a full and complete stop as he has ROW and damned if he doesn't then wave us through.

What are you going to do? We smiled and made our left in front of him.
Had a LEO wave me through a 4-way stop recently, too. I had touched my foot down in his honor when I clearly saw his waving arm. Rode on through. What are you gonna do, indeed?
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Originally Posted by bluegoatwoods
Nothing more than a silly joke. But I'll betcha there're plenty of folks who 'get it'.
I just assumed it was a personal thing -- i.e. You're married and not everybody in the family is packing a full deck.
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Originally Posted by Walter S
I just assumed it was a personal thing -- i.e. You're married and not everybody in the family is packing a full deck.
That's it! Exactly. And I have friends and relatives who've made it clear that they know just what I mean.

In my case (my wife's sister), she's really a dear girl underneath it all. But there've been times when I was truly at a loss for words over some of the things she's said and done.

I'd tell you about it. Because a few episodes were kinda funny. But I'd be flirting with thread hijacking. So I suppose I ought to leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by jon c.
They recently turned an intersection near me into a 4 way stop. It's one I frequently go through when riding with my wife and it's been pretty smooth with everyone going in turn. Except for yesterday when we arrived and there was a sheriff already stopped to our right. So we come to a full and complete stop as he has ROW and damned if he doesn't then wave us through.

What are you going to do? We smiled and made our left in front of him.
I always think cops do this to see that you have a current tag - nice that this makes no sense with bicycles. I'm anonymous coming and going.
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I get waved through intersections almost everyday. I'm on a fixed gear and clipped in a lot of the time so I'm sure they see me paused and are not sure whether I'm going to go or not. So I will unclip if I need to and then try to wave them through. In the summer it's better because I can usually see the driver and if the window's down they can hear me saying to go ahead.

Many insist I go, so I will. The little dance is more work than if they had taken their turn and I could have stayed clipped in, but dealing with courteous people who were alert enough to notice me is not something I'm going to get worked up over. It's a first world problem as they say.

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Originally Posted by tjspiel
...It's a first world problem as they say.
I like that phrase...kind of like, "Don't sweat the small stuff" (I don't like that phrase.)
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