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Old 10-15-15, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tjspiel
The problem is that belt drives require a frame that can be split somewhere in the rear triangle of the drive side of the bike. Otherwise I probably would have tried a belt drive by now.
That does seem like the rub. Tricky Tricky.
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Originally Posted by tjspiel
The problem is that belt drives require a frame that can be split somewhere in the rear triangle of the drive side of the bike. Otherwise I probably would have tried a belt drive by now.
Actually there are frame designs that do not require the chain/belt to go through the triangle. The current Gravity FSX. or don't have a triangle. Like the old Trek 9000, or the 94 San Andreas.
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Originally Posted by hig4s
Actually there are frame designs that do not require the chain/belt to go through the triangle. The current Gravity FSX. or don't have a triangle. Like the old Trek 9000, or the 94 San Andreas.
But those frames with rear suspension present a different problem and that would be keeping the belt tensioned. The new trek belt drive bike has a tensioner but I think that's intended for a wheel that stays in the same place.
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Originally Posted by tjspiel
But those frames with rear suspension present a different problem and that would be keeping the belt tensioned. The new trek belt drive bike has a tensioner but I think that's intended for a wheel that stays in the same place.
The point being, you could design a non suspension triangle the shape of the FSX and you wouldn't need a break or have a removable part in the triangle. For that matter it would be totally feasible to use a single side rear end much like BMW motorcycles.
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I borrowed my friends trek soho for a week to try out the belt drive/igh thing and loved it. Very nice and low maintenance, a big plus for winter commuting.

My only dislike is the difficulty in rear wheel removal. I think fixing a rear flat would probably be easier to just patch it in place.
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Originally Posted by hig4s
The point being, you could design a non suspension triangle the shape of the FSX and you wouldn't need a break or have a removable part in the triangle. For that matter it would be totally feasible to use a single side rear end much like BMW motorcycles.
Sure. But the post I was replying to asked about retrofitting a belt drive to an old bike. At first glance nothing looks particularly special about the frames used on belt drive bikes, but of course there is a key difference.
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I have a belt drive with a Rohloff hub. It's not any harder to remove the rear wheel to fix a flat. It's easier than some derailleurs with a strong spring (and no grease).
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Originally Posted by hig4
The point being, you could design a non suspension triangle the shape of the FSX and you wouldn't need a break or have a removable part in the triangle. For that matter it would be totally feasible to use a single side rear end much like BMW motorcycles.
You could also put the cog outboard of the stays.



This odd example doesn't have any left-side stays, but no reason it couldn't.
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Originally Posted by allan6344
I have a belt drive with a Rohloff hub. It's not any harder to remove the rear wheel to fix a flat. It's easier than some derailleurs with a strong spring (and no grease).
Same here. I also have a Rohloff with gates belt drive and disc brakes. Popping out the rear wheel is no different and definitely less messy then my other bikes with rear derailleur and dirty chains.
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Originally Posted by tjspiel
But those frames with rear suspension present a different problem and that would be keeping the belt tensioned. The new trek belt drive bike has a tensioner but I think that's intended for a wheel that stays in the same place.
My Harley has rear suspension,and the belt doesn't need a tensioner. In fact,none of the belt or chain driven motorcycles have tensioners(or derailleurs). The suspension's movement arc is just taken into consideration when it's being designed to maintain drive tension.
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Originally Posted by dynaryder
My Harley has rear suspension,and the belt doesn't need a tensioner. In fact,none of the belt or chain driven motorcycles have tensioners(or derailleurs). The suspension's movement arc is just taken into consideration when it's being designed to maintain drive tension.
I'm sure it's not a problem if you design the suspension in a way that ensures the wheel always maintains the same distance from the drive cog. To me at least, it looks like the bike suggested as an example relies on the derailleur to maintain chain tension:

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Originally Posted by dynaryder
My Harley has rear suspension,and the belt doesn't need a tensioner. In fact,none of the belt or chain driven motorcycles have tensioners(or derailleurs). The suspension's movement arc is just taken into consideration when it's being designed to maintain drive tension.
...and there is also a specified sag to the chain or belt. It's tightest at full compression.
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Just noticed, 2015 Santa Cruz superlight D the chain does not go through the triangle.
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Originally Posted by hig4s
Actually there are frame designs that do not require the chain/belt to go through the triangle...
..like the Dahon Mu.
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