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Old 10-08-15, 10:50 AM
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What happened to the 60 degree "rule"?

When I first started visiting here about 2007 or so the advice of covering your knees if the temperature was below 60 degrees used to be pretty common. That's 15.6 for you Celsius fans, eh? Bad things would happen to your knees if you didn't do this according to the those that believed this even though there wasn't anything in the way of proof offered beyond a lot of grizzled old riders who just knew it was true after years of riding. But lately it seems like there aren't many that give or follow this advice anymore, what happened?
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Maybe those guys had knee surgery and quit riding?

Hey, you are coming up on 10 years. That's a long time on an Internet forum.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
Maybe those guys had knee surgery and quit riding?.......
They would not have quit permanently after knee surgery - cycling is very good PT after knee surgery.

The 60F (15C) "rule" came from south Florida riders. Those of us who lived many years in the upper Mid-West subscribe to a 40F (4.5C) short "rule" in the fall, and a 32F (0C) "rule" in the spring.
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This is the first I ever heard of this rule. It's been below 60 every morning this week when I've ridden to work, wearing shorts every time.

Will let y'all know if my knees go bad because of this.
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My knees do ache some in cooler weather, but the coolness doesn't cause it, a lifetime of abuse did.
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45-60 I'll use embro or knickers, depending on how the weather feels (sunny and 50 is different than 55 and cloudy) ...
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Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
When I first started visiting here about 2007 or so the advice of covering your knees if the temperature was below 60 degrees used to be pretty common. That's 15.6 for you Celsius fans, eh? Bad things would happen to your knees if you didn't do this according to the those that believed this even though there wasn't anything in the way of proof offered beyond a lot of grizzled old riders who just knew it was true after years of riding. But lately it seems like there aren't many that give or follow this advice anymore, what happened?
I heard that as well. I have ridden a few times under 60 with no knee covering and it was okay I don't think I would want to ride in the 50F with no knee covering
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First I've heard of such a "rule" also. I use just shorts down into the lower 50's, but below 60 I usually add arm warmers.

As for forum membership I've been on Honda-Tech.com since January 2002, nearly 14 years now.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
Hey, you are coming up on 10 years. That's a long time on an Internet forum.
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This is the first I ever heard of this rule.
Get off my lawn! Just kidding, but it I have been here a while and only see a few of the regulars from when I started. When I first read this after I'd started commuting instead of just riding around for exercise I was pretty surprised and figure it was something else that i was doing wrong according to conventional wisdom. The funny thing about this was the people who said you needed to keep your knees covered below 60 never said how much protection they needed and I pictured things like vintage wool knee warmers being the choice for those that held this view. I use a nylon pair of convertible pants until it gets to be about 50 and figured the thin layer of nylon isn't providing me that much extra warmth and haven't noticed anything that bad happen to my knees yet.
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I still follow it.
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I rode an early season ride almost 40 years ago as a racer, doing ~100 miles in Massachusetts early March wearing one layer of thermals under unlined tights. For that indiscretion, I paid with knee issues in both knees that are lifetime or until I replace the OEMS with 3rd party. Chrondomalcia patella. A fairly high penalty for breaking that "rule" that is being discredited here.

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It's one of those conventional wisdom rules that wasn't supported by medical investigations. I think that it may serve to reduce pain and discomfort, although I don't follow that rule.

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Originally Posted by nfmisso View Post
The 60F (15C) "rule" came from south Florida riders. Those of us who lived many years in the upper Mid-West subscribe to a 40F (4.5C) short "rule" in the fall, and a 32F (0C) "rule" in the spring.
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Originally Posted by nfmisso View Post
The 60F (15C) "rule" came from south Florida riders. Those of us who lived many years in the upper Mid-West subscribe to a 40F (4.5C) short "rule" in the fall, and a 32F (0C) "rule" in the spring.
Burr. Northerner here: I'm cold just thinking abut 5C - let alone thinking of that temp w/ shorts.

At 10C (50F): I've got fleece lined long bike pants. They breathe well enough once I get moving that I don't get too hot.
At 15C (60F): I'll use long bicycle pants (unlined)
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there wasn't anything in the way of proof offered beyond a lot of grizzled old riders who just knew it was true after years of riding.
I resemble that remark and still do as my 1st coach advised: ride on the road w/ knees covered <65F.
Worked for me for the last 40 years so I'll keep dressing as always, to not cold stress the knees or overheat in cool/cold weather when it's Base Miles time with a light pair of tights/leg warmers.
When/if it warms up stash the warmers in a jersey pocket, no great burden. When it starts to rain out come the warmers......

For 'cross the lower speed, running/dismounting/carrying efforts and far less wind chill make for shorts wear down to freezing for me.

On cool evenings at the track we'd cover our legs between events and pull on a top.

Old School, common sense or whatever: As always, suit yourself.

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@no motor? I wonder if you'd get better answers in the Traning forum
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i've heard of this "rule" before; i've never bothered following it.

i suspect the rule only applies to normal people. i'm not normal.

i think my mother must have been impregnated by a polar bear.

life can be challenging when anything above 50 degrees feels hot.

i've spent all 4 decades of my life in this world trying to get cold.

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I wonder if riding a fixed gear is doing more damage to my knees than riding in shorts down to 5C.
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I still follow it.
California... Go figure.

Guess that equates to 35-40 around here
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I wonder if riding a fixed gear is doing more damage to my knees than riding in shorts down to 5C.
Sometimes I wonder about that when riding my fixed-gear in shorts, at around that temperature.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
I rode an early season ride almost 40 years ago as a racer, doing ~100 miles in Massachusetts early March wearing one layer of thermals under unlined tights. For that indiscretion, I paid with knee issues in both knees that are lifetime or until I replace the OEMS with 3rd party. Chrondomalcia patella. A fairly high penalty for breaking that "rule" that is being discredited here.

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if the rule was applicable, wouldn't be true for soccer, baseball, football, running and even walking?
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if the rule was applicable, wouldn't be true for soccer, baseball, football, running and even walking?
No, as noted previously referring to Cyclo Cross the wind chill from moving a road bike right smartly along is a whole different deal than non-vehicular sports.
Also, there is no need for the freedom of movement that shorts provide in field sports since we are sitting/standing in fixed positions not dodging and weaving (hopefully) with our knees in the airflow.

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Sometimes I wonder about that when riding my fixed-gear in shorts, at around that temperature.
"Back when" winter base miles were FG miles in our club.
A brisk day, a head wind, wet roads and a few hours out on the FG, might as well dress for the occasion.......

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Skin is a covering, right?

I've never heard of this rule, but I haven't been in the community long enough, I guess. But as a Northerner, at 15* I'd instinctively cover up, either with 3/4 or full tights under shorts.

Maybe it's just common sense. If it's cold, cover up.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I still follow it.
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California... Go figure.

Guess that equates to 35-40 around here
I'm from Massachusetts, a fair ways north of NJ if I recall correctly, and I follow it more or less.

I follow the 60 degree rule partly because I find it more comfortable and partly because it's good common sense. The knee isn't very well-supplied with blood flow under the best of circumstances. Whether your knee really will be more readily injured when cold, I'm not sure, but why take the chance? There's a tendency on the part of some people to underdress for the sake of seeming harder or something, I don't know. If leaving your knees bare at 50 degrees really is more comfortable, go for it I guess, but it doesn't make much sense to me.
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