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pdlamb 12-30-15 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by mcours2006 (Post 18422995)
On my route I've come to know almost all the potholes, ruts, large road debris, and other hazards that are lurking in the dark waiting for me to run over it. So the familiarity allows me to effectively avoid them. So in this sense, it does improve your safety.


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 18423338)
Personally, I rely on my lights and my eyes to see and avoid hazards on the road. I'm not sure what kind of roads you ride but around here we don't have too many ruts...at least not on paved roads..., large road debris is rather random, and potholes can develop nearly overnight. I'm not sure what you mean by "other hazards" that might sit still long enough for me to learn how to avoid them.

I can agree to the point that "large road debris," meaning (to me) large rocks, tree limbs, etc., tend to get cleaned up fairly fast or moved by cars and trucks. But I have to agree with the ruts and potholes point. I've seen some nasty ruts or pavement cracks, the kind that looks like they're designed to eat bike tires, that have lasted for a year or more. Likewise, there's a road near my commute that's got large dips in the pavement, not real potholes because the pavement is merely sunk, not broken. Hitting those dips after a rain could cause a wipeout if a cyclist didn't know about them. Hazards such as those I tend to route around. In some places, where the governments are fiscally strapped, I don't know that I could avoid by going a road or two over.

Jim from Boston 12-30-15 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by pdlamb (Post 18423366)
I can agree to the point that "large road debris," meaning (to me) large rocks, tree limbs, etc., tend to get cleaned up fairly fast or moved by cars and trucks. But I have to agree with the ruts and potholes point. I've seen some nasty ruts or pavement cracks, the kind that looks like they're designed to eat bike tires, that have lasted for a year or more. Likewise, there's a road near my commute that's got large dips in the pavement, [opening car doors] not real potholes because the pavement is merely sunk, not broken. Hitting those dips after a rain could cause a wipeout if a cyclist didn't know about them. Hazards such as those I tend to route around. In some places, where the governments are fiscally strapped, I don't know that I could avoid by going a road or two over.

My perennial post about road hazards:


Originally Posted by Jim from Boston (Post 18284216)
… Jim’s Law of the Road, "No matter how well-paved and lightly-traveled the Road, a vehicle is likely to pass you on the left, as you encounter an obstacle on the right." That’s my justification to wear a rearview mirror, my premier decision for safety. That's the most salient advice I give to the statement, "I'm afraid to ride in traffic."


SJX426 12-30-15 10:22 AM

I haven't discovered alternative routes that I would consider "safe" for me. What options are exercised are increased mileage. Typically, going to work, the route is straight or may include a detour of an additional 4 miles. My motivation for increasing miles is not the boredom but rather my milage goal. I wanted to hit 3000 this year. Looks like I will miss it by about 100 miles with one day left!

So with the detour mentioned, my route can be 11 miles one way or 15. I would like to get into good enough condition to do a century next summer so I found another route that adds an additional 10 miles. This I save for the ride home. So my round trips are typically 22 miles, 27 miles, 30 miles all the way up to 40 miles. I track average speed etc and have improved over time with the additional hills on the 10 mile addition. At this point in time I am only 40 miles from 2900 this year. I plan on hitting it.

The weather plays a big part. I am still learning how to dress for the temperature ranges too. I find that this impacts how much effort I put into the ride. If I think I am going to overheat, I will slow down in general.

GovernorSilver 12-30-15 10:23 AM

I admittedly found my favorite evening commute route thanks to work being done on the Mt. Vernon Trail. A relatively short section of it was temporarily replaced by a mulch path while it was being moved a bit further away from the parkway and straightened to solve some line of sight issues. Some local cyclists hated the mulch path so much they started a long thread on the WABA forum about alternate routes just to avoid it. One of those routes is now my new fave - I just leave the MVT a little earlier than I did before.

rmfnla 12-30-15 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by cyccommute (Post 18421778)
I have 599 different routes from home to work and back work that vary from 18 miles (the shortest) to just about any mileage I want. Most of the time, I ride the same route but not always. I've never found that riding the same route all the time has anything to do with "safety".

Agreed.

It's not as if we are going so fast we will be surprised by something new (at least I'm not)...

mcours2006 12-30-15 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by pdlamb (Post 18423366)
I can agree to the point that "large road debris," meaning (to me) large rocks, tree limbs, etc., tend to get cleaned up fairly fast or moved by cars and trucks.

Road debris on the bike lanes do not get cleared up very quickly. There is fairly big piece of rock in the middle of the underpass where the bike lane passes. I have hit it once and it caused a flat tire. Subsequently I have managed to avoid it for the past two months. It's still there. Yeah, I know, I could get off my bike, pick it up and move it out of the way, but I'm lazy that way.

rmfnla 12-30-15 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by mcours2006 (Post 18423775)
Road debris on the bike lanes do not get cleared up very quickly. There is fairly big piece of rock in the middle of the underpass where the bike lane passes. I have hit it once and it caused a flat tire. Subsequently I have managed to avoid it for the past two months. It's still there. Yeah, I know, I could get off my bike, pick it up and move it out of the way, but I'm lazy that way.

Pay it forward (or not)...

mcours2006 12-30-15 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by rmfnla (Post 18423944)
Pay it forward (or not)...

I know. I completely agree. Monday morning I will stop and push it off to the side.:-)

rmfnla 12-30-15 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by mcours2006 (Post 18424262)
I know. I completely agree. Monday morning I will stop and push it off to the side.:-)

:thumb:

fietsbob 12-30-15 04:43 PM

BoB trailers get used for trail maintenance , maybe bring a shovel?

PatrickGSR94 01-01-16 09:03 AM

There are a few variations I can take near my house, but for the majority of my 15.5 mile trek each way, I have basically 2 viable routes, one of them being 1 mile longer but less climbing and far less stressful. So I take that route 99.9% of the time.

BobbyG 01-01-16 09:18 AM

I usually stick to my 4 main routes, but I occasionally explore a different side street or make a slight variation just to keep things interesting. And every once in a while I'll swing way out to explore a street or pass something that has been in the news or I had been curious about. Oh, and of course errands will have me riding places I don't usually go. I almost always look at a satellite view or street view online before riding somewhere unfamiliar.

hooCycles 01-01-16 07:23 PM

I had a very minor route variation (5 minutes of being on a different road) that allowed me to decide between short and steep and long and less-steep to get up the same elevation. But then I got a flat from broken glass on the latter, so I went back to the short and steep route only.


Originally Posted by mcours2006 (Post 18423775)
Road debris on the bike lanes do not get cleared up very quickly.

On the other hand, road debris on the 'traffic lanes' tends to get very quickly swept onto the bike lanes.

mcours2006 01-01-16 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by hooCycles (Post 18429301)
On the other hand, road debris on the 'traffic lanes' tends to get very quickly swept onto the bike lanes.

That's my experience as well. They sweep the bike lanes perhaps twice a season, but about a week after the bike lanes are littered with debris. But it's beautiful right after they sweep it though. Butta.:thumb:

noglider 01-01-16 11:46 PM

I wish I could take different routes, but all other routes than the Hudson River Greenway are much worse. The Greenway has hardly any lights. NYC streets has 20 intersections per mile. Forget that.

tjspiel 01-02-16 12:11 AM

I'm a creature of habit and the scenery of my commute is diverse enough that changing my routes wouldn't make it any more interesting. For the first couple of years I did make changes now and then to make the route more pleasant, faster, and/or safe.

If I have errands to run or just want a longer ride, then I'll take a different way home. Usually though I've got reasons to be home sooner rather than later so I take the quick way.

dedhed 01-02-16 11:54 AM

My morning route is always about get to work, so it is the shortest possible distance (diagonal arterial 6.5 m), although that will change next year as that road is up for a complete reconstruct and I'll likely have to make adjustments as the work progresses over the summer. I would not takes this route home as the traffic and parking are terrible in the afternoon.

Going home is my get some exercise ride and I have 2 basic routes (14-15m) that incorporate some bike lanes/trails/routes and offer some options for length or extension to fit my time constraints. Both also offer short offshoots for normal errands I do like bank/drugstore.

I do find there is some "safety" involved in a regular route. As there aren't lots of bikes where I commute in the city I find that if you're on a regular schedule, as are many of the cars, they see you regularly and know you will be there. I've even had a car tell me while waiting for a light soon after a rider was killed on his commute nearby that she was glad to see me and know it wasn't "her bike guy".

wilfried 01-02-16 12:36 PM

The ride to work is the same every morning, like clockwork. I'm not a morning person, so the fewer variables my addled brain needs to cope with, the better. In the evening, more often than not I have someplace to be or something to do, so I usually don't come straight home. I have a standard route for going home, but it doesn't feel so standard.

hooCycles 01-03-16 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by mcours2006 (Post 18429595)
That's my experience as well. They sweep the bike lanes perhaps twice a season, but about a week after the bike lanes are littered with debris. But it's beautiful right after they sweep it though. Butta.:thumb:

I don't think streets around here ever get swept. One of the problems with bike lanes is that the curb and gutter seems to be included in the bike lane width. The bike lanes are often the most heavily debris-ed part of the road, which is a problem since bikes can't deal with debris as well as cars. A golf ball-sized rock wouldn't even get the attention of a driver but would at the very least give me a flat.

pdlamb 01-04-16 10:32 AM

Sticking to a marked bike path or MUP would reduce choice of routes, or around here, jobs and houses. I think there's only one marked bike path in my town that could serve as a route from work to home, and it's only 3/4 mile long. The MUPs are out of the way, so as not to interfere with cars, but lots of people drive cars or trucks to walk or cycle on them.

hyhuu 01-04-16 11:25 AM

I've yet to find a different route that is shorter or quicker so the same it is.

Phil_gretz 01-04-16 02:36 PM

For Weather, Mostly
 
I have two different paths between work and home. Both are equally hilly, but they differ in how exposed they are to the prevailing winds. One has more road (vs paved sidewalk/path) exposure and has slightly risker bits, but is a bit longer. I select the route based on the weather, mostly, and decide while en route.

Steely Dan 01-04-16 02:50 PM

almost always the same 5 mile route for me. it's the one that has the best balance between safety and quickness. there are occasional divergences for specific errands.

i would love to have the free-time to stretch my 5 mile afternoon commute into a 20 mile scenic route, but i've got little ones to tend to these days. free-time is no more.


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