Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Commuting
Reload this Page >

Using stainless steel bottles, does water get hot quick?

Notices
Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

Using stainless steel bottles, does water get hot quick?

Old 02-12-16, 01:14 AM
  #1  
murrellington
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
murrellington's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: San Diego
Posts: 462
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Using stainless steel bottles, does water get hot quick?

Few questions as I was looking at picking up some Klean Kanteens.

1) Should I get regular or insulated? I live in San Diego and it can get quite hot in summer. Will the water become warm/ hot real quick in the summer? I've never used metal bottles before.
2) Does the paint chip off of the colored ones easily if you have a stainless steel cage as well?
murrellington is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 07:23 AM
  #2  
TenSpeedV2
Senior Member
 
TenSpeedV2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 4,347

Bikes: Felt TK2, Felt Z5

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 942 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 19 Times in 19 Posts
I would imagine that the metal will make the water much warmer than you will want. I would avoid these if possible, also avoid dark color water bottles. Is there a reason as to why you are looking at metal bottles?
TenSpeedV2 is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 07:42 AM
  #3  
locolobo13 
Senior Member
 
locolobo13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Phx, AZ
Posts: 1,937

Bikes: Trek Mtn Bike

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 214 Post(s)
Liked 1,228 Times in 400 Posts
On a hot day, unless your canteen is insulated, the water gets hot no matter what. At least that's my experience here in Phx. That said I use cheap plastic bottles.

But most of my riding is in the city. I'm never more than 3-4 mi from a store with refrigerated drinks. Usually less than 1 mi.
locolobo13 is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 07:54 AM
  #4  
Craptacular8
Senior Member
 
Craptacular8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 584
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 152 Post(s)
Liked 23 Times in 20 Posts
I don't notice a big difference between un-insulated plastic and un-insulated stainless steel with regard to keeping the water cooler during a ride. If you have metal bottle holders like I do on one of my bikes, no matter how careful I am, the stainless steel ends up gets scratched and scuffed putting the bottle in/removing it. I just have plain stainless, and the scuffing looks a little tough, and it roughens the surface to boot. I'd have to guess stainless with color would even be even more obvious. I have one bottle that is dual layers of plastic with some kind of bubble foil liner in it that seems to keep liquids cooler a little bit better than plain plastic or stainless.
Craptacular8 is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 08:41 AM
  #5  
Leebo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North of Boston
Posts: 5,721

Bikes: Kona Dawg, Surly 1x1, Karate Monkey, Rockhopper, Crosscheck , Burley Runabout,

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 854 Post(s)
Liked 110 Times in 65 Posts
Fill the ss bottle almost all the way full. Freeze, take out and put in bottle cage. Enjoy cold water for commute. Or use a thermos bottle.
Leebo is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 08:43 AM
  #6  
asmac
Senior Member
 
asmac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,261

Bikes: Salsa Vaya

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 172 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Does it get hot quick? That depends.

Attached Images
File Type: jpg
Capture.JPG (10.6 KB, 24 views)
asmac is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 08:48 AM
  #7  
Arcanum
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 903

Bikes: 2010 Kona Dr. Dew, Moose Bicycle XXL (fat bike), Yuba Mundo V3

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Like others have said, uninsulated anything will warm up no matter what. If you want your water or other beverage to stay cold, use insulated bottles. Ideally, use vacuum-insulated bottles, as they will keep things cold for a very long time. HydroFlask makes vacuum-insulated stainless sports bottles in a variety of sizes and colors and has several different kinds of lids.
Arcanum is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 08:58 AM
  #8  
rm -rf
don't try this at home.
 
rm -rf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: N. KY
Posts: 5,333
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 737 Post(s)
Liked 135 Times in 99 Posts
I've filled a vacuum insulated stainless steel bottle with ice cubes, then topped it up with water. After 3 or 4 hours sitting in a hot car, it still had some ice in it.

I wonder how well stainless steel bottles work on a bike. Do they rattle? You can't squeeze them, so are they harder to drink from while riding?

A regular insulated bike water bottle frozen half full, then topped off with water, lasts maybe an hour on a hot day.
rm -rf is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 09:46 AM
  #9  
aERonAUtical96
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Space Coast FL
Posts: 45

Bikes: Kestrel Talon, Felt Verza Speed 20

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have a thermos brand SS bottle that I can fill up with ice and water and still have ice hours later... I usually use them at the theme parks here in central FL. I see that thermos has SS with a sports top. I might have to try that for long rides.
aERonAUtical96 is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 11:51 AM
  #10  
no motor?
Unlisted member
 
no motor?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 6,193

Bikes: Specialized Hardrock

Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1376 Post(s)
Liked 429 Times in 294 Posts
If your water bottle cage has the plastic buttons on it your bottles won't rattle much and will be more secure.
no motor? is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 01:00 PM
  #11  
fietsbob
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 43,599

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 197 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7607 Post(s)
Liked 1,326 Times in 835 Posts
Not if its Not Hot and sunny.. like San Diego in the Summer. Leave space in the Bottle , for expansion, and put it in the freezer .

Stainless steel does Not Need Painting, But Companies have this thing about putting their Brand name all Over things ..

Insulated bottle, tend to Hold Less , to have the space for the insulation..

Old Way was a Cotton Cover , You Got Wet, and as it evaporated made the contents cooler..

Way-Back water was in A Canvas Bag you hung on the front of your Car .. Or Wagon,
it was not water tight , some seeped thru to always Be wet.

Last edited by fietsbob; 02-12-16 at 01:07 PM.
fietsbob is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 01:12 PM
  #12  
Marcus_Ti 
FLIR Kitten to 0.05C
 
Marcus_Ti's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Lincoln, Nebraska
Posts: 5,331

Bikes: Roadie: Seven Axiom Race Ti w/Chorus 11s. CX/Adventure: Carver Gravel Grinder w/ Di2

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2349 Post(s)
Liked 401 Times in 251 Posts
Originally Posted by Arcanum View Post
Like others have said, uninsulated anything will warm up no matter what. If you want your water or other beverage to stay cold, use insulated bottles. Ideally, use vacuum-insulated bottles, as they will keep things cold for a very long time. HydroFlask makes vacuum-insulated stainless sports bottles in a variety of sizes and colors and has several different kinds of lids.
Are those Hydroflask bottles a standard cycling bidon diameter sizing? Looking at listings quickly didn't tell me much.
Marcus_Ti is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 05:50 PM
  #13  
Arcanum
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 903

Bikes: 2010 Kona Dr. Dew, Moose Bicycle XXL (fat bike), Yuba Mundo V3

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Are those Hydroflask bottles a standard cycling bidon diameter sizing? Looking at listings quickly didn't tell me much.
I think so, but I'm not positive. I don't personally have one. I've seen them at Dick's Sporting Goods, though, so you could conceivably check before buying.
Arcanum is offline  
Old 02-12-16, 06:03 PM
  #14  
79pmooney
A Roadie Forever
 
79pmooney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 9,808

Bikes: (2) ti TiCycles, 2007 w/ triple and 2011 fixed, 1979 Peter Mooney, ~1983 Trek 420 now fixed and ~1973 Raleigh Carlton Competition gravel grinder

Mentioned: 104 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3074 Post(s)
Liked 1,716 Times in 1,131 Posts
One drawback to insulated bottles and most important in really hot weather: insulated bottles hold less water. (Insulation takes space.) For most of us, body temperature control through sweat is the number one cooling mechanism and water in real quantities is the most important need. Also cold water is not absorbed as quickly as warm water is and has more quenching effect. Now, thirst quenching might sound like a plus, but in hot weather, we never do drink enough (and often cannot simple because we sweat more than we can drink) so drinking a beverage that feels so good we stop drinking is exactly what we should not be doing. That 90F water we have to drink half a bottle of to get any relief is doing us far more good.

Ben
79pmooney is offline  
Old 02-13-16, 05:02 PM
  #15  
theghostrider
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 19
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Leebo View Post
Fill the ss bottle almost all the way full. Freeze, take out and put in bottle cage. Enjoy cold water for commute. Or use a thermos bottle.
Freezing is not recommended and voids Klean Kanteen'so warranty.
theghostrider is offline  
Old 02-15-16, 01:01 PM
  #16  
RubeRad
Keepin it Wheel
 
RubeRad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: San Diego
Posts: 9,548

Bikes: Surly CrossCheck, Krampus

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
Liked 1,629 Times in 1,196 Posts
I live in San Diego as well. I would think a regular steel bottle would absorb heat like crazy, but maybe a double-walled/vacuum type one would do better.

No matter what though, sunlight warms up water faster than you think. I got myself a Topeak Modula XL cage that can hold standard 1.5liter plastic bottles (buy a 1.5L bottle of soda for a dollar, and drink it or dump it if you're anti-soda). I will fill that thing mostly up and freeze it SOLID, and bring it as my second water bottle on a long summertime ride, hoping to have cold water for a long time. Every time, by the time my first water bottle is empty, the 1.5L ice cube is almost all melted. By the end of the ride it's totally warm.

There are plenty of water bottles with insulated liners, I've had mixed success with those. I don't find they keep stuff all that cold all that long, and one got an internal leak that trapped some dish soap, so every fill-up with water tasted like soap. I threw that one away.
RubeRad is offline  
Old 02-15-16, 02:01 PM
  #17  
Joe Minton
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 588

Bikes: Gary Fisher Hi-Fi Deluxe, Giant Stance, Cannondale Synapse, Diamondback 8sp IGH, 1989 Merckx

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 51 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
It basically comes down to the thickness of the wall of the container:
A thin stainless bottle will tranfer heat only a little more quickly than one made of plastic.

Insulation and ice is the best way to reduce the rate of temperature rise.

I use ice in a plastic bottle to keep temps low long enough for what I do.
A vacuum bottle can keep coffee hot enough for many hours.

Joe
Joe Minton is offline  
Old 02-15-16, 10:47 PM
  #18  
blackieoneshot 
Senior Member
 
blackieoneshot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: N Richland Hills TX
Posts: 126

Bikes: 1984 Schwinn Voyager SP, 1984 Lotus Legend Compe, 1989 Bridgestone RB-1, 1973 Monark, 2015 Surly Pacer

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Liked 18 Times in 5 Posts
I am a huge fan of Klean Kanteen bottles and tumblers, but find the plastic double-walled bottles easier to deal with while riding.
blackieoneshot is offline  
Old 02-15-16, 11:07 PM
  #19  
Rollfast
What happened?
 
Rollfast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Around here somewhere
Posts: 8,030

Bikes: 3 Rollfasts, 3 Schwinns, a Shelby and a Higgins Flightliner in a pear tree!

Mentioned: 57 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1835 Post(s)
Liked 286 Times in 249 Posts
Originally Posted by locolobo13 View Post
On a hot day, unless your canteen is insulated, the water gets hot no matter what. At least that's my experience here in Phx. That said I use cheap plastic bottles.

But most of my riding is in the city. I'm never more than 3-4 mi from a store with refrigerated drinks. Usually less than 1 mi.
Hot water in a plastic bottle tastes terrible. Keep some ice in the bottle on a regular basis. When you are riding water is better than anything else and most places I know let you fill and ice it for free as long as the container is your own.
__________________
I don't know nothing, and I memorized it in school and got this here paper I'm proud of to show it.
Rollfast is offline  
Old 02-16-16, 12:05 AM
  #20  
Antelope
Junior Member
 
Antelope's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: So Calif
Posts: 12

Bikes: 82' Trek 311 / 83' Trek 520 / 91' Trek 800 / 92' Trek 930

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've been using a S'well 17oz bottle in the plain silver color for a few months now...

Keeps the coffee very hot on the morning commute to work...

Keeps the water very cold on the weekend rides...

And it looks kind of cool too...

S?well® Official - S?well Bottle - Shop
Antelope is offline  
Old 02-16-16, 12:18 AM
  #21  
AusTexMurf
Senior Member
 
AusTexMurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: South Austin, Texas
Posts: 919

Bikes: 2010 Origin8 CX700, 2003 Cannondale Backroads Cross Country, 1997 Trek mtn steel frame converted commuter/tourer, 1983 Univega Sportour, 2010 Surly LHT, Others...

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Liked 15 Times in 12 Posts
I live in austin, tx. Hot most of the time, here. I only use stainless water bottles on the bike or off. Two Klean Kanteens and 3 off brand stainless, none insulated. I don't notice my water getting hotter than in plastic. In fact, probably less so and tastes far better to boot.

Recommendations:
1. Use plastic cages. We have many different ones. I much prefer the Klean Kanteen and Specialized plastic water bottle cages. Cuts down on vibrations and scratches on bottles.
2. Cover your stainless bottles with your favorite vinyl stickers from your preferred local businesses, music festivals, local beers, bike themes, etc.. Quiets the bottles down, insulates a little bit perhaps, and makes your bottle your own on or off your bike. Keep patching with new stickers to build up and cover scratches. Works like a charm for me.
3. Fill with ice if you want and the bottle will sweat and keep cool for quite some time. I personally don't like cold water when exercising in the heat. Drink more and faster when the H2O is closer to air temperature.
AusTexMurf is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
jambon
General Cycling Discussion
84
04-26-20 08:46 PM
RayB
Touring
52
08-07-18 08:15 AM
nikwax
Commuting
42
07-27-18 04:48 PM
anthonygeo
General Cycling Discussion
63
06-28-18 06:18 AM
balblua
General Cycling Discussion
2
06-28-11 02:48 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.