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Old 02-16-16, 12:15 PM
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Studded tires keep wearing holes in tubes

I commented on this the other day but wanted to ask again if anyone else ever suffers from this.... The studs in my schwalbe marathon tires (700 x 35) keep wearing holes in my tubes. You can see very obviously where the stud has been rubbing on the tube. I thought this problem was behind me as I put an old tube as a liner so it would rub against that tube only but guess what? There is a significant mark on the liner tube, so much so that it also started to rub on the real tube and made a hole in it yet again. This is nuts. 2 tubes doesn't even work for me. The specific spot where the hole appeared had an elongated hole so the stud did have some movement. I took that stud out, patched my tube and now am waiting to find out what spot wears through next. Not impressed. Not many places carry studded tires around here and the ones that do seem to only have schwalbe. They replaced a tire for me in the past due to this issue so I guess I will ask them again about this. Just tired of this issue and can't find many others who have seen this same problem.
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Old 02-16-16, 12:23 PM
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Is this one tire or both?

Is it just one stud or multiple?
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Pics would help. Tubes used, size of tube used, rim brand and width? Running really low psi? Brand of rim strip?
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I...what? I admittedly haven't used Schwalbe studded tires, but none of the other factory studded tires I've used have had studs protrude into the inside of the tire. Do you have any pictures of the studs?
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I have Schwalbe Marathon Winters, and have definitely not had this problem. My tires (knock on wood) have never gotten a flat. Just one experience.
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I've been on a set of Marathon Winters for 3-4 years and have not had this issue at all. Never have had a flat and my studs don't protrude or anything.

How much air pressure are you running? Are you sure the hole if from a stud and not from a spoke hole or bead issue? Get us a couple photos if you can.
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OP, what PSI are you running your marathon winters at?

what's your combined bike/body/gear weight (approximately)?
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http://www.bikeforums.net/winter-cyc...urability.html

^^

At the time when I stopped using the tires I mentioned in that thread it had gotten to the point where I would sometimes get two flats from the studs in a day.

As I posted towards the end of the thread, I contacted Schwalbe and was told by one of their reps that they had widened the base of the studs starting in 2011. I have not put as many miles on my second pair of 35mm Winters as I had on the first, nor am I keeping close track of the mileage, so I cannot really speak to an actual improvement in this regard.

I have had a nagging suspicion that using the higher PSI which I needed to bring down the 35mm-wide Winters' rolling resistance down to where they were fast rolling on clear pavement may have something to do with this particular issue. And while I am now using the wider 50mm version, I have not had them anywhere near long enough to speak as to whether or not the lower PSI in the bigger tires will help in the long run.

I have tried Mr.Tuffy liners in the problem tires with good results. While there was visible scuffing of the tire liner in the spots where the studs were previously puncturing the tubes, the liners can be shifted around slightly whenever the tire is unmounted to spread wear, unlike the inner tubes (on account of the valve).

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Originally Posted by Plimogz View Post
http://www.bikeforums.net/winter-cyc...urability.html

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At the time when I stopped using the tires I mentioned in that thread it had gotten to the point where I would sometimes get two flats from the studs in a day.

As I posted towards the end of the thread, I contacted Schwalbe and was told by one of their reps that they had widened the base of the studs starting in 2011. I have not put as many miles on my second pair of 35mm Winters as I had on the first, nor am I keeping close track of the mileage, so I cannot really speak to an actual improvement in this regard.

I have had a nagging suspicion that using the higher PSI which I needed to bring down the 35mm-wide Winters' rolling resistance down to where they were fast rolling on clear pavement may have something to do with this particular issue. And while I am now using the wider 50mm version, I have not had them anywhere near long enough to speak as to whether or not the lower PSI in the bigger tires will help in the long run.

I have tried Mr.Tuffy liners in the problem tires with good results. While there was visible scuffing of the tire liner in the spots where the studs were previously puncturing the tubes, the liners can be shifted around slightly whenever the tire is unmounted to spread wear, unlike the inner tubes (on account of the valve).
Perfect - the pictures in that thread are exactly what my tubes look like. I didn't bother to take the whole tire off and take pictures as I have seen this many times before. I surely thought using a tube as a tire liner would eliminate teh problem but this hasn't. Another factor could be my size. I am 6'5" and weigh 230. I figure my bike and backpack would add another 50 pounds to that. I also generally try to run at higher PSI as it is mostly dry roads I ride on. If it happens again, I will post pics and send the pics to Schwalbe too.
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My Suomi Nokian Ones have 25 years of occasional Use , I put Thorn resistant tubes in ,

so I only need to pump them up once for a couple months.

Mount and Ground W 26x1.9"
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I have never experienced this with Schwalbe Marathon (I think Winters). I do use high pressure most of the time as paths are usually cleared. Tubes are whatever the local shop has in stock. Only lower the pressure maybe 2 to 4 days per season.
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I've run 3000-4000 miles on a pair of 700-35mm winter marathons and never had this issue (or any flat). Am now replacing them. I'm about 210 pounds and have a rack, carry a bag, and so also put a lot of pressure on my tires. I've tried 45nrth gravdal and xeres studded tires, but find the schwalbe marathon winter best for winter commuting overall.
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