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Are Mr Tuffy tire liners a smoother ride than Marathon Plus?

Old 02-26-16, 04:55 PM
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Are Mr Tuffy tire liners a smoother ride than Marathon Plus?

I currently have 700x35 marathon plus tires, but I don't like them at all as I find the ride is way too bumpy. If I got a softer riding tire and put Mr Tuffy liners in them, would the ride be a lot more comfortable than the marathons, or would the liner also make for a rough ride?
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Old 02-26-16, 05:56 PM
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What tire pressure are you using with your current tires? Marathon Plus is a pretty stiff tire, but 700x35 is pretty wide.

Generally, I would say that if your tire pressure isn't too high a supple tire with Mr. Tuffy liners would ride a bit softer than a Marathon Plus (because at least the sidewall can flex), but I wouldn't expect the puncture protection to be as good.

Personally, I don't use Marathon Plus because road feel is very important to me. My primary commuter has 700x32 Marathon Supremes, which have a much better ride feel than the Marathon Plus but still not nearly as good as a more sporty tire like the Conti GP 4 Seasons (which still has very good puncture protection). What it comes down to is what kind of debris you typically roll over and what your personal tolerance for flat tires is. If you see a lot of goatheads, there's really no beating the Marathon Plus. If it's mostly stuff like small shards of glass, the you can get away with tires that are more supple.
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Old 02-26-16, 09:28 PM
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Liners aren't going to help you here. Also, ride something other than Marathons...those are basically heavy APC tires.
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Old 02-26-16, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mikem07 View Post
I currently have 700x35 marathon plus tires, but I don't like them at all as I find the ride is way too bumpy. If I got a softer riding tire and put Mr Tuffy liners in them, would the ride be a lot more comfortable than the marathons, or would the liner also make for a rough ride?
It depends on how you insert the liner. If the liner is too big and overlaps, it will create an uneven wheel. The liner should be perfect or even slightly smaller. I like the Tuffy liner when using cheap tires that come with the bike.
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Old 02-26-16, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve View Post
It depends on how you insert the liner. If the liner is too big and overlaps, it will create an uneven wheel. The liner should be perfect or even slightly smaller. I like the Tuffy liner when using cheap tires that come with the bike.
I used the tire liners years ago. The liner did overlap. It caused flats right at the point where the tire liner overlapped. I rode specialized armadillos after that - they are a rough ride. My marathon plus tires seem smooth in comparison to the armadillos. For a commuter, the marathon plus tires have been awesome. I don't see myself changing unless there is something that is significantly and obviously better.
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Old 02-27-16, 01:09 AM
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Some manufacturers suggest a range of tire pressure based on rider/load weight. Good starting point but not necessarily ideal for you and your route. Michelin suggests 76 psi for my weight (165 lbs) with 700x40 Protek Max Cross all terrain tires, heavy with thick puncture resistant shield. I tried 70 psi to the max 85 or so psi, and it all felt too stiff, jittery, skittish on gravel and loose stuff, and uncomfortable. After several test rides on smooth pavement, rough pavement, gravel and brick I settled on 60 psi up front and 65 in the rear. Much more comfortable for me on my bike and my routes. Sometimes I'll run 50 psi for pastures, fields, and mostly gravel, but I've probably hit the sweet spot for all around riding with 60-65 psi.

I don't ride rough stuff or do any stunts so the risk of pinch flat is low. And I'd probably need to ride below 50 psi to risk that anyway.

And it doesn't really feel any slower than at the maximum pressure, at least not for the mix of surfaces I routinely ride.

Experiment and see what feels right.
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Old 02-27-16, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by InTheRain View Post
I used the tire liners years ago. The liner did overlap. It caused flats right at the point where the tire liner overlapped. I rode specialized armadillos after that - they are a rough ride. My marathon plus tires seem smooth in comparison to the armadillos. For a commuter, the marathon plus tires have been awesome. I don't see myself changing unless there is something that is significantly and obviously better.
I always buy quality tires but still use the liner! I cut the liner so that it's short and won't overlap. I lose some protection but the wheel stays round. However, the cut portion can sometimes create pinch flats. You can use black electrical tape or file the sharp edges. One bike mechanic cut the liner short and connected them with electrical tape.
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Old 02-27-16, 08:59 AM
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Marathon + is seamless in the tire, Tuffys are a strip, so a overlap seam is there,
yes the end abrades the tube making a leak in time.

We used the Bench grinder to taper the cut end , and a lot of tire talc.
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I've had someone mention that (grinding the ends of tire liners) to me before as an alternative... and then in the same breath they mentioned I could ride with marathon plus, armadillos, or gatorskins and get the same or better protection. I chose the latter. Marathon plus on my commuter, and gatorskins on my road bike. I've been extremely happy with the flat protection of both. I realize that there are better riding tires, however, adding tire liners seems to have a significant effect on that and has given me a ride that is worse than marathon plus, or gatorskins (the ride seems to be comparable to the armadillos.)
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Old 02-28-16, 08:04 AM
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I use Marathon Plus and Mr. Tuffy. This combination gives me over 10,000 miles between flats, which meets my specification. The ride seems perfectly fine to me.
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Old 02-28-16, 09:19 AM
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Here in goat-head country I use Mr. Tuffys and trim the end to fit. They felt stiff in my 700x23s, but after switching to 700x32s I don't notice them. On my 26x1.75 bike I really don't notice any extra stiffness. And on the new bike that's also 700x32 I rode 6 months before putting them in. This bike came with soft-ish Kenda somethings, and I notice the liners when I top off the tires. After a day or two, they seem to "soften up" But it may be all in my head.
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