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Darth Lefty 08-25-16 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 19010271)
Whoa, 2 grand for commuter wheels?? I paid $400 for handbuilt 105 + butted spokes + dyad rims. Or maybe they're not really 'commuter' wheels. What does 'urban sport' really mean? Criterium?

Grams, dude, grams, not dollars. Price was 235 Euros. Relax!

Darth Lefty 08-25-16 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by RubeRad (Post 19010264)
Interesting look. I kinda like the crankset, it borrows from the design aesthetic of current road groups. The disc brake calipers have an interesting new design too. But 46-32 -- isn't that basically just a CX crankset? I do like the 1x option too.

I'm confused about the bar-end brifters:

I see one trapezoidal button in there, presumably you push it to the left to downshift, then how do you upshift again? Is there a release button on the other side?

The trigger releases cable, the brake lever rotates to pull cable. It's still basically the same mechanism as STI's, just in a different housing.

Andy_K 08-25-16 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by sb88 (Post 19009393)
Oldish thread, but...

I note it hasn't been mentioned that (as far as I know) the metrea group uses flat mount disc calipers, so any hope you have of putting it on a post mount/ I.S. mount disc frame will be dashed unless you can use the levers with MTB calipers

That's annoying. I haven't really looked into the flat mount thing, but I really don't see why we needed yet another standard. In any event, I got the RS685 brakes before Shimano started flat mounting everything, so I'm happy there.

My main interest in this group is in the crankset. I like the 46-32 double with a road-like 43.5 chainline. I've been looking for these to show up on my favorite web sites. So far just bike24 as was said above, but I imagine they'll start making their way through other distribution channels soon. The price on bike24 is pretty close to what I'm seeing for Ultegra cranksets on U.S. sites. Hopefully that will come down a bit.

RubeRad 08-25-16 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Darth Lefty (Post 19010444)
Grams, dude, grams, not dollars. Price was 235 Euros. Relax!

haha, ok, that makes more sense!

Cyclist0108 08-25-16 12:53 PM

I want to get these handlebars for my wife. I also like the way the brake looks, but I'd want to try it first. Any idea when these will appear in the wild?

Darth Lefty 08-25-16 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by Darth Lefty (Post 19009488)
Interesting note. Actually it seems like the styling elements extend to the levers only as decals, the flat bars look like standard MTB units and the brifters are dominated by the ergonomic concept.

You know, the more I look at details, the more I think I've been underselling the styling. It really does extend to all the pieces. The flat levers are probably standard MTB units internally but they definitely have their own unique housing that looks sleeker and covers more of the function. The MTB units have a much more utilitarian look.

http://bike.shimano.com/content/dam/...img.detail.png
http://bike.shimano.com/content/dam/...img.detail.png

donalson 08-25-16 02:05 PM

i'm late to the party... but "h bars" also confuses me...

THESE are H bars (titec/jones H bars) and the 1st generation MTB dual control work perfectly for them in a street/touring/commuting setting... lots of hand positions, and can use the controls (both stoppers and shifting) from the grips and the "horns" with comfort
https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...32&oe=58526080

*edit*
I'll add... I have a pair of XT brifters that I had installed at one point... I went back to the deore as the xt shift body was a bit more square so when my hands sat further up on the horns with the hands somewhat over the body of the shifters it wasn't as comfortable... so back to the deore I went... I still have the XT as backups and will keep them around until I pick up a pair of deore backups for that inevitable crash that kills one of them...

blakcloud 08-25-16 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Andy_K (Post 19010472)
That's annoying. I haven't really looked into the flat mount thing, but I really don't see why we needed yet another standard. In any event, I got the RS685 brakes before Shimano started flat mounting everything, so I'm happy there.

What is good about the flat mount and the shape of the disc calipers is now you can tuck them on the chain stay behind the seat stay. This is the perfect place for a commuter bike. Having disk brakes on the seat stay was a pain at best. Few years back when they were on the chain stay, many manufactures had to bend the seat stays around the brake which always looked wonky or they had these long swoopy dropouts to accommodate the disc brake. The new style is much more elegant.

Andy_K 08-25-16 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by blakcloud (Post 19011016)
What is good about the flat mount and the shape of the disc calipers is now you can tuck them on the chain stay behind the seat stay. This is the perfect place for a commuter bike. Having disk brakes on the seat stay was a pain at best. Few years back when they were on the chain stay, many manufactures had to bend the seat stays around the brake which always looked wonky or they had these long swoopy dropouts to accommodate the disc brake. The new style is much more elegant.

Fair enough. My 2013 Jake has IS brake mounts on the chainstays, but I have heard that it limits the rotor size you can use with some frame sizes. The new style does look nice.

idiotekniQues 08-25-16 10:38 PM

Looks cool and glad they are creating and at the same time catering to an important market group of cyclists. Wheels are a bit heavy though the 1x is nice, just limited by only one sized chainring and no ability to add a different chainring due to the unique bolt system. i run a 1x9 with a 48T in the front, 42T is not enough but still a step in the right direction

Darth Lefty 08-26-16 01:18 PM

52-14 was enough and 42-11 is enough, but that's just my opinion. For myself I'd be more worried about 42-32 being enough. SRAM was kind enough to make their 10-42 cassette compatible with their road 1x groups.

donalson 08-26-16 01:29 PM

I did stop to think about this group a bit more... I spent some time a few years back in Germany and Norway both had so many practical bikes... especially norway... I forget that shimano is a global company and really these groups will cater much more to other countries... I loved seeing all the practical hybrid type bikes with studded tires (beginning of winter when I was around)...

ColonelSanders 08-26-16 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by donalson (Post 19010875)
i'm late to the party... but "h bars" also confuses me...

THESE are H bars (titec/jones H bars) and the 1st generation MTB dual control work perfectly for them in a street/touring/commuting setting... lots of hand positions, and can use the controls (both stoppers and shifting) from the grips and the "horns" with comfort
https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...32&oe=58526080

How wide is that Jones bar of yours?

donalson 08-26-16 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by ColonelSanders (Post 19014148)
How wide is that Jones bar of yours?


about 26" c-c of the rear most part of the bars...

ColonelSanders 08-26-16 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by donalson (Post 19014155)
about 26" c-c of the rear most part of the bars...

Maybe it is just the angle of the photo, but it looked shorter than 660mm, I was guessing it was 600mm.

donalson 08-26-16 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by ColonelSanders (Post 19014183)
Maybe it is just the angle of the photo, but it looked shorter than 660mm, I was guessing it was 600mm.

likely to do with the angle... and the 6'4 300# rider on a 62cm disc trucker frame ;-)

ColonelSanders 08-26-16 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by donalson (Post 19014198)
likely to do with the angle... and the 6'4 300# rider on a 62cm disc trucker frame ;-)

Heh, I was thinking of asking how tall you were. :p

donalson 08-26-16 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by ColonelSanders (Post 19014213)
Heh, I was thinking of asking how tall you were. :p

lol ya my road bike is a '83 trek 560 25.5" frame... more height in my legs and fat/inflexable so I need to have the bars pretty high up requires a lot of steerer tube length... on my road bike a tall quill stem...

Darth Lefty 09-26-16 05:20 PM

Another source... Prices in Euros. Be sure to get your cookies set for USA, otherwise there's VAT. Prices are generally somewhere between 105 and Ultegra level.
https://www.bike-components.de/advan...eywords=metrea

Double crankset €158.82 (a little more than Ultegra)
Single crankset €150.42
H-bar left brake lever €91.60
H-bar brake/shifter lever either side €133.61 (Same as 105-level hydraulic brifters)
Flat bar brake lever either side €33.57 (more than XT BL-M8000)
Flat bar shift lever either side €50.38
FD €24.33
RD €33.57 (just a few bucks more than 105)
Rear caliper €40.29 (between 105 and Ultegra)
Front caliper €41.79
Wheelset €251.26
105 5800 11-32 cassette + chain, set €47.86
SM-RT500 rotor €29.37

Flat bar brake set (levers + calipers) €192.44 (similar XT M8000 set is 142.02)
1x11 H brake set (left lever, right STI, calipers) €343.70
2x11 H brake set (left & right STI) €385.71 (between similar 105 and Ultegra sets)
Complete 1x11 flat bar set including wheels, cassette, rotors, chain, €755.46

The sets cost more than the included major parts. They do have more minor hardware than the components alone (hoses, mineral oil, "olives," other stuff).

Darth Lefty 09-26-16 05:29 PM

While we're at it... it seems clear by now, they're not marketing this stuff in America.

blakcloud 09-26-16 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Darth Lefty (Post 19083647)
Another source... Prices in Euros. Be sure to get your cookies set for USA, otherwise there's VAT. Prices are generally somewhere between 105 and Ultegra level. . .

Thanks for posting and doing all the research. It really helps.


Originally Posted by Darth Lefty (Post 19083676)
While we're at it... it seems clear by now, they're not marketing this stuff in America.

I wonder why?

Darth Lefty 09-26-16 08:52 PM

...and it's $1.12 per Euro right now (Edited)

alan s 09-26-16 11:03 PM

Metrea is for metrosexuals. Am I wrong?

Darth Lefty 09-26-16 11:12 PM


Originally Posted by alan s (Post 19084280)
Metrea is for metrosexuals. Am I wrong?

What's wrong with looking sex-ay?

alan s 09-27-16 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Darth Lefty (Post 19084289)
What's wrong with looking sex-ay?

You be the judge.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/youn...e-63045950.jpg


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