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Old 08-17-16, 07:53 AM
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Abus Bordo 6500 - anyone got their bike stolen/lock broken?

I've been in the market for a new lock moving away from my heavy ass Kryp chain + padlock. I can't really use a ulock here in NYC as half the time i arrive somewhere, there's no actual bike parking (thanks, ****ty DOT!) and I have to park to something wide, like a street lamp, or farther away, where a u-lock won't reach.

So I've been thinking of the highest-level Bordo 6500 x-plus granit (or whatever they're calling it) as a replacement. I've been cycling in NYC for 15 years, so I'm pretty good about where and when I lock outside but I want to know stories about people's experience with this lock in the real world.

I can't seem to find very much about it on BF or elsewhere on the web; bikeradar said it was easily clipped whereas the scant Amazon reviews say its withstood a lot. So enough of my preamble - please share your bordo stories (or suggest another lock solution if you'd like ).

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I've been in the market for a new lock moving away from my heavy ass Kryp chain + padlock. I can't really use a ulock here in NYC as half the time i arrive somewhere, there's no actual bike parking (thanks, ****ty DOT!) and I have to park to something wide, like a street lamp, or farther away, where a u-lock won't reach.

So I've been thinking of the highest-level Bordo 6500 x-plus granit (or whatever they're calling it) as a replacement. I've been cycling in NYC for 15 years, so I'm pretty good about where and when I lock outside but I want to know stories about people's experience with this lock in the real world.

I can't seem to find very much about it on BF or elsewhere on the web; bikeradar said it was easily clipped whereas the scant Amazon reviews say its withstood a lot. So enough of my preamble - please share your bordo stories (or suggest another lock solution if you'd like ).

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I have one. Here's my quick review. It weighs a ton, so make sure you want to carry the weight. Assuming you do, when combined with Pitlocks, because the lock isn't long enough to go through both wheels and around something, it's as good as you can get. The lower spec Abus folding locks are more vulnerable to attack at the joints from what I've seen online.

They are very popular in Europe and almost never seen in the US, which is a good thing, because thieves will have little experience with them. I like that it mounts on the frame either at the water bottle mount, or anywhere on the frame with Velcro.

Cost is also a factor, as combining the folding lock and Pitlocks is not cheap. But if you want your bike to be there when you get back, I don't think you can do much better. This is really a great solution where you have to leave your bike unattended for extended periods in unsecured environments. Is it better than a U-lock? Probably about the same as the higher end models, but it weighs less than some, and stores more compactly. I'm sure any lock can be cut with the right tools, so don't think you are buying something that will eliminate all your concerns.

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Thanks for the thoughtful response, alan! I do have pitlocks already, so that makes me feel good. The weight - eh, I'll just strap it to my Troll and keep on trucking (the chain I have now is really heavy anyway).

And yeah, ultimately every single lock can be cut - no doubt about that. But I want the most convenience with the most security as much as possible...
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I ride with one on my Brompton. It does not reach quite reach the versatility of a chain but gets close and is lighter, i.e. a good compromise particularly in the case of my folder. Seattle is actually one place in the US where you can encounter them at some frequency. There was a photo on BromptonTalk of one that got cut in Paris a year ago or so. (Yes, it was the 6500.) Still it seems to be a relatively rare case and you need to plunge one way or another taking the risk.
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Thanks 2_i. I think I'm gonna grab one!
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Thanks 2_i. I think I'm gonna grab one!
Where in nyc do you ride? I ride in the city 2-3 times a week and never have problems locking up with a u lock. Granted most of the time I lock is right near the west side greenway. But when I bounce into the city here and there I always find a spot. But I'm sure it's not as much as you do how much do you ride?


That lock looks tempting but it's 3x more money than my Abus mini u lock with a similar security rating. Plus I like the u lock is perfect for parking meters which are everywhere. Feels like the folding lock or chains could be lifted up over a parking meter always. Thick chains are too heavy for my needs already . The folding lock is interesting though
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I have it - very good lock.

It comes with a frame mounted holder, so can be stored quickly and convenienty - beats any other on-bike carry method - even U-locks are not that easy to onto a (smaller) frame.

It offers roughly the same amount of protection (in time taken to cut it) as a 12 mm thick chain/u-lock.
The lock itself (key, mechanism) is very hard to beat, leaves cutting as the best option to thieves.

While being more convenient to carry than a u-lock, and a lot more convenient than a chain, for locking options it beats a U-lock, but is slightly less convenient than a chain.
You can lock front wheel and a frame through a post, but the post mustn't be too thick (over 5 cm in diameter).


It is heavy, like any good steel lock - light steel doesn't exist yet, so if a lock isn't heavy, it can not be good. You need thick, hardened (both core and outer region) steel to prevent cutting, or breaking.

Carry a cable to fasten the other wheel to the frame, or use special bolts for wheels so they can not be removed.
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, alan! I do have pitlocks already, so that makes me feel good. The weight - eh, I'll just strap it to my Troll and keep on trucking (the chain I have now is really heavy anyway).

And yeah, ultimately every single lock can be cut - no doubt about that. But I want the most convenience with the most security as much as possible...
Stupid Question-----

have you considered measuring off just how much chain you need, and cutting yours to that length?

I don't know, but I'll venture that at the same length, your chain will be lighter than the 6500, or at least very comparable without needing to shell out big dough.

Years ago when I lived in Manhattan, I got together with some friends and we invested in 20 heavy chains with keyed alike locks. We spread these around in key places we frequented, leaving them there so we'd have a good lock handy when/where we needed it without needing to carry one.

Certainly, if I worked someplace where I had to leave the bike locked up outside, I'd leave the lock there full time. I'd then carry a light "anti-grab&run" lock for quick stops around town.
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Thanks for all the replies, guys.

Leaving chains around town is intruiging but its not in the cards right now. I bike all over the city, meet up with friends, go for work events, etc, and I don't want to worry about if there happens to be a parking meter or something similar around. Often there is a scaffolding (vertical of course!) or a something with a thick circumference that a chain works.

I love the chain, dont' get me wrong, and if I go somewhere that I feel needs a chain, I'll still bring that. But I want sometihng that perhaps is slightly below a chain - but significantly easier on my hips (where I've carried a chain forever) or other places. The folding and on my bike sounds like a dream!
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Stupid Question-----

have you considered measuring off just how much chain you need, and cutting yours to that length?

I don't know, but I'll venture that at the same length, your chain will be lighter than the 6500, or at least very comparable without needing to shell out big dough.
I often - not always - use all my chain. Cutting it down seems like a waste; I'd rather have two locks and keep the chain for when I need it.

Sometimes I'll even lock two people's bikes to a rack (so, going through "3" things) and with a ulock thats nigh on impossible!
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Is your lock really secure?

I’ve learned a lot the last few weeks. I just ordered an Abloy 340 padlock and to go with it Pewag 9/32" (1/4") Square Security Chain. (The 3/8” chain is unbreakable by the large 5’ bolt cutters and takes about 4 minutes (2 cuts) to go through with a large angle grinder. Both of these items have tooled steel that is harder than the bolt cutters tooled steel blades making it almost impossible to cut through them with bolt cutters. You can youtube the lock and chain. The lock is virtually unpickable.

See for yourself: Go to westechrigging.com for videos on the chain and youtube the lock.

What woke me up was not the guys snapping the Forgetabout it U Locks with the 5 ft bolt cutters, but with 2 paperclips almost any lock can be picked. I learned how easy it was to go though most padlocks at lock-lab.com. The guy is amazing and shows you how unsafe and easy to pick locks are. Here is his list of Padlocks: The Abloy locks don’t use a pin system, but a disc system which makes them virtually unpickable. And no he doesn’t get paid from Abloy…can’t even order it on his website. He gets paid by selling lock picks and donations.

From his site: The Best Padlocks Available Sometimes you just want to lock up a shed or bicycle or trailer hitch. For that you’ll probably want a padlock:
1. Abloy PL 321 (Small) – $35
2. Assa Desmo Mini Padlock – $50
3. Abloy PL 330 (medium) – $85
4. Abloy PL 340 (medium) – $105
5. Abloy 342 Shrouded (medium) – $155
6. Evva MCS Shrouded (medium) – $250
7. Abloy PL 975 Puck Lock (medium) – $110
8. Anchor Las 834-4 Disc Detainer (medium) – $115
9. Abloy PL 350 or PL 358 (Heavy Duty) – $135/$185
10. Abloy PL 362 Shrouded (Heavy Duty) – $265

(No, I didn't get the 3/8ths chain, just too heavy. The 1/4 will be secure enough with the Abloy lock and Pitlock skewer set.)

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I've seen video somewhere of a Bordo attacked with bolt cutters, not to cut the links but to wedge apart the hinge. They needed to open the cutters as far as they would go and put one handle on the ground to do it, but the lock was defeated. I think you might be able to break it by winding it up with a crowbar, but you might not have a bike afterward.

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If I left my bike outside....

The 1/4" chain and 340 lock is for travelling about where I might go in and eat a meal, or to the grocery store, or anything that might take less than an hour or so. If I were going to leave the bike in the same place (at work) or outside my house somewhere for 8+ hours, I'd leave a heavier lock set at both places. I would probably go with the 1/2" chain and the Abloy heavy duty lock. Fortunately, I have the luxury of keeping my bike in the house - where it is still locked up at night. At work, I'd lock up the bike with the carry set of lock and chain, go into work, return to lockup the bike with the heavier set and carry the lighter set back in. Does this take a little extra time? Yea...so what? I might return to find my bike smashed to pieces, but -they- won't get my bike!

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I have the Abus 6500 granite xplus together with the pitlock wheel locks for my custom commuter.
It is supposed to be resistant against all kind of lock picking mechanisms.
It's a bit on the heavy side, but so is my commuter bike weighing in at 30lbs.

So far I like the lock, because I still have my bike
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rsdowdy, thanks for that info. that abloy lock is almost comically expensive! but i see that it makes sense.

FWIW last week i bought he bordo 6500 x-plus granit. saw it at an LBS for a good deal and just thought what the hell. from comparing videos of breakage and other things around the net, it seemed that *most* (not all) of those complaints were about earlier/alternate models and that the portability and weight of this was superior in almost every way. and i love it! its acutally less bendable than i want because of the "folding axis" (moving from a chain, which can do anything anywhere, will be tough) but gets the job done.

When i'm in high traffic areas overnight (who leaves their bike out overnight, really, except for if you got too drunk to bike home and grabbed a cab) I'll take my Multikey heavy duty lock and the chain.
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Remember, it's not about having an invincible lock. It's just about having a lock that is more difficult than the one on the bike next to you...
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Exactly. Between pitlocks and seat locks and then this... My bike at least appears pretty secure.

I mean, i could live in the middle of nowhere and never bike anywhere. But what would life be like then?
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I've seen video somewhere of a Bordo attacked with bolt cutters, not to cut the links but to wedge apart the hinge. They needed to open the cutters as far as they would go and put one handle on the ground to do it, but the lock was defeated. I think you might be able to break it by winding it up with a crowbar, but you might not have a bike afterward.

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Peple often mix Bordo with Bordo Granit X-plus. The later one is about twice the price and a lot stronger. Both the lock cylinder, rivets and steel plates are a lot stronger.

Though, leaving the lock low enough so that ground can be used as a leverage is always a bad idea.

Every lock cylinder can be picked. With enough knowledge, proper tools and enough time. Not many thieves have those. Abus Granit X-plus series (chains, Bordo model and U-locks) have good cylinder and good locking mechanism (the part that keeps the ends of chain/lock together to the cylinder) that is hard enough to pick that the preferred mode of beating them is cutting/breaking.
Every steel rod can be cut and/or broken - also just the matter of tools and time (and noise).

Like someone said a few posts above, as soon as the bike is better secured that the next one, it is quite safe.

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Peple often mix Bordo with Bordo Granit X-plus. The later one is about twice the price and a lot stronger.
It's not that I mixed them up, just that I couldn' recall and couldn't find the video right off to check. Here's a similar video of the 6000 model defeated. The 6500 model is 10% thicker but I'm not sure if that would matter for this attack. Still, I haven't found an example.


I know people make jokes about different European cultures but you have to wonder if they're true when you find a 15-minute long unboxing video for a bike lock... in German. It takes him six minutes just to defeat the box.

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It's not that I mixed them up, just that I couldn' recall and couldn't find the video right off to check. Here's a similar video of the 6000 model defeated. The 6500 model is 10% thicker but I'm not sure if that would matter for this attack. Still, I haven't found an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opjDdMkpjXQ

I know people make jokes about different European cultures but you have to wonder if they're true when you find a 15-minute long unboxing video for a bike lock... in German. It takes him six minutes just to defeat the box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqEF6gFDMqk
The 6500 is 30% heavier than the 6000, so it is likely there is a significant increase in strength. I haven't seen a video of the 6500 being defeated, but would be interested if you find one.
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It's not that I mixed them up, just that I couldn' recall and couldn't find the video right off to check. Here's a similar video of the 6000 model defeated. The 6500 model is 10% thicker but I'm not sure if that would matter for this attack. Still, I haven't found an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opjDdMkpjXQ

I know people make jokes about different European cultures but you have to wonder if they're true when you find a 15-minute long unboxing video for a bike lock... in German. It takes him six minutes just to defeat the box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqEF6gFDMqk
6500 has a lot stronger and better built system in all accounts, including the rivets. Tried and tested. Leaves cutting as the best option.

It takes about 15 minutes with a decent hacksaw. Couple minutes with an angle grinder. But that's as good as it gets IMO. Thicker steel would take even more time, but weigh even more. And most other locks are easier to pick, or cut.


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No lock is undefeatable. It just needs to be more of a PITA than it's worth, or delay the thief long enough to risk observation. Or more of a PITA than your neighbor's lock.
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I suggest pulling a pit bull in a trailer, then tying the pit bull to the bike.
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I suggest pulling a pit bull in a trailer, then tying the pit bull to the bike.
Used to do that with Schnauzer. He loved running, so grocery shopping by bike was a good run for him and safe bicycle parking for me. Didn't let anyone come near the bike.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
I know people make jokes about different European cultures but you have to wonder if they're true when you find a 15-minute long unboxing video for a bike lock... in German. It takes him six minutes just to defeat the box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqEF6gFDMqk
If the box on the Abus Granit X Bordo is that tough, imagine how sturdy the Bordo lock itself must be.
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