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Old 11-18-16, 10:06 PM
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Windy day!

Day topped out around mid-60's midday and then the temps just plummeted and we are now around high-30's. Obviously with such drastic temp swings the wind today was insane! Riding around downtown and some of the wind gusts between the buildings almost blew me into some parked cars! Headwinds (more like all around winds) were absolutely crazy as well. Had to go into SUPER-aero position just to get ~15mph

Wonder how it's going to be like when winter actually gets here. Snow covered fields and leafless trees make for fine windbreaks.
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Old 11-19-16, 02:03 AM
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Indeed, the invisible enemy more daunting than hills. I had to get rid of my fixed gear and single-speed commuters when I used to live in an area that had a headwind on my return commute almost everyday.
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Old 11-19-16, 02:54 AM
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Sounds like you're in the midwest and suffering from that massive front that just swept up the last of summer's remnants. Had a killer tailwind going to work and got tossed all over the road on the way home thanks to my deep/bladed wheelset. Fun times.
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I had that yesterday, gusts between 30-50 mph. Ridiculous. Downhill where I usually go between 35mph to 40mph, I was doing around 23mph. Then i had to go uphill against the wind, crawling at 3mph. The ride home was a bit more fun, but not much.
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Old 11-19-16, 02:34 PM
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I feel like this for the past few months I've lucky with the wind, so I can't really complain. I've some nice tailwinds to and back from work. And also the forecast winds aren't quite as strong as it's predicted, which is great. I'm also getting much more comfortable getting nice and low on the hoods.
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Old 11-19-16, 04:56 PM
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Where I live in Reykjavik we already got snow and ice on the roads.
Here is always some wind. Usually little early in the morning but by the noon it's windy.
We get 99% of time headwinds.
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Old 11-19-16, 06:01 PM
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High winds, changing speed and direction rapidly: Welcome to my world. It might help to have a heavy front wheel.
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Originally Posted by jfowler85 View Post
Sounds like you're in the midwest and suffering from that massive front that just swept up the last of summer's remnants. Had a killer tailwind going to work and got tossed all over the road on the way home thanks to my deep/bladed wheelset. Fun times.
Yep, midwest here. No snow but seems like winter is finally here.
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Old 11-21-16, 12:13 PM
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I rode with a tailwind yesterday on a road that I almost NEVER have one. I think the max speed I have been able to reach with panniers and stuff is 22 ish mph but Saturday I hit 29mph and was barely pedaling it was fun but also scary how strong the wind was.
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Old 11-21-16, 12:32 PM
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I rode with a tailwind yesterday on a road that I almost NEVER have one. I think the max speed I have been able to reach with panniers and stuff is 22 ish mph but Saturday I hit 29mph and was barely pedaling it was fun but also scary how strong the wind was.
Anyone have an idea how much rack/fenders/panniers slows you down? I'm thinking of putting my commuter on a diet for next summer.
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I don't think fenders and rack would result in appreciable drag, but I imagine panniers might, both from the front and side. I have no empirical data to support this; just what I 'feel' when I ride a bike no fenders or rack, with fenders, no rack, with rack and fenders, with fenders, rack, and panniers, and with fenders, rack, panniers with about 30 lbs of groceries. Not all on the same bike, of course, and not all under the same conditions either. So, I guess what I'm saying is, I don't know.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
I don't think fenders and rack would result in appreciable drag, but I imagine panniers might, both from the front and side. I have no empirical data to support this; just what I 'feel' when I ride a bike no fenders or rack, with fenders, no rack, with rack and fenders, with fenders, rack, and panniers, and with fenders, rack, panniers with about 30 lbs of groceries. Not all on the same bike, of course, and not all under the same conditions either. So, I guess what I'm saying is, I don't know.
Your conclusion and level of supporting evidence correlates pretty closely with mine
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I suspect fenders create drag that is very small but measurable. But I wouldn't take them off even if I felt them slowing me down.
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Old 11-21-16, 06:02 PM
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@Abe_Froman I don't think the fenders slow me down that much but I think the weight of the bike plus rack makes more of a difference. I do know that the panniers so slow me down somewhat. They catch the wind from the front and side winds. I have ridden the bike without them and it faster without. I know that I have ridden with my older road bike the same route two days back to back with the commuter and it was a little off but they were pretty close. My new road bike is much faster than the old one. (It is about 3lbs lighter) 😀
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Ugh, no kidding. Insane heaswinds 2 days in a row. A trip that normally takes me less than an hour took over an hour and a half!

Riding home is sweet, though...
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Old 11-21-16, 06:36 PM
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The wind did not thwart my plans to ride to work today; the snow on the ground did though. Conditions were just too dicey to take the chance. The 50 km/h headwind coming home made me feel pretty glad I wasn't riding though, and it was nice to get home before dark for a change.
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I can feel panniers when I have them on. Mostly I use a rack trunk which I don't think causes much impact.
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Wind is insane here too (The Netherlands). Last week had trouble maintaining 10miles an hour while completely tucked in. I hate wind with a passion, i'd rather bike through a downpour than through headwind.

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Just normal autumn wheater in The Netherlands with the occasional storm. Last sunday there was the national championships headwind biking. 8.5 km over the "Oosterscheldekering' which is basically a retractable dam in the sea. Storm was 9 Beaufort, gusts up to 110 km/h, no gears, upright bike, spandex allowed. The winner averaged a little over 28 km/h. He beat former mtb gold medal winner Brentjes (9th) and Jonnhy Hoogerland, famous for continuing the Tour de France after a car drove him into barb wire.


I went out on my bike when the storm had mellowed down to 7 Beaufort. I like it, it was just a short trip, I ride a 3-speed but did use 2nd gear also with headwind. The way back 3rd gear was a bit too light.
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I can feel panniers when I have them on. Mostly I use a rack trunk which I don't think causes much impact.
i have thought about getting a rack trunk.. I think I could get away with in the summer but not so sure about the winter. I carry too much... I like options
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Just normal autumn wheater in The Netherlands with the occasional storm. Last sunday there was the national championships headwind biking. 8.5 km over the "Oosterscheldekering' which is basically a retractable dam in the sea. Storm was 9 Beaufort, gusts up to 110 km/h, no gears, upright bike, spandex allowed. The winner averaged a little over 28 km/h. He beat former mtb gold medal winner Brentjes (9th) and Jonnhy Hoogerland, famous for continuing the Tour de France after a car drove him into barb wire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhUeJieYlDk

I went out on my bike when the storm had mellowed down to 7 Beaufort. I like it, it was just a short trip, I ride a 3-speed but did use 2nd gear also with headwind. The way back 3rd gear was a bit too light.
Is it strange that this looks like a lot of fun? Racing in spandex on a cruiser into 100+ km.h headwinds Brutal!
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i have thought about getting a rack trunk.. I think I could get away with in the summer but not so sure about the winter. I carry too much... I like options
I got the Topeak rack trunk that has panniers that drop out of the side pockets as needed. The Topeak mounting system is excellent too, just slides on and locks.
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Is it strange that this looks like a lot of fun? Racing in spandex on a cruiser into 100+ km.h headwinds Brutal!
The event was at the other side of the country, it's a three hour drive, otherwise I would have 'competed', without spandex. I don't own spandex and it's about battling the wind and I would never stand a chance of achieving a good speed so why mimimize wind drag? It's also a competition made out of an experience that everyone here has had a many times in their life, in plain clothes.

It gets much harder if you're not in great shape. Someone here called head wind a mountain without a soul, at least it is a mountain without a top and a way down. If you lack the power to keep a certain speed it wil get very hard to balance the bike, especially if there's strong gusts, and if you want to take a more aerdynamic position, balancing gets even harder and sometimes you have to be tacking to keep enough momentum. Side winds are fun too, less exhausting but technically more difficult, especially with coat guards, panniers or a crate on the front rack:
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Just normal autumn wheater in The Netherlands with the occasional storm. Last sunday there was the national championships headwind biking. 8.5 km over the "Oosterscheldekering' which is basically a retractable dam in the sea. Storm was 9 Beaufort, gusts up to 110 km/h, no gears, upright bike, spandex allowed. The winner averaged a little over 28 km/h. He beat former mtb gold medal winner Brentjes (9th) and Jonnhy Hoogerland, famous for continuing the Tour de France after a car drove him into barb wire.

I went out on my bike when the storm had mellowed down to 7 Beaufort. I like it, it was just a short trip, I ride a 3-speed but did use 2nd gear also with headwind. The way back 3rd gear was a bit too light.
The Delta Works have to be one of the most impressive engineering projects ever. A former boyfriend lived(s) in Rotterdam and I spent a lot of time in the Netherlands several years back. In this season and that location, if memory serves, it is very dependably windy

I didn't do much riding there, but there were bikes about at his place and his family's homes. A couple of times we cruised around with his road-bike and his parents bike. He had a Puch, and I got the family Gazelle to ride. I was impressed with the bicycle paths-roads, really, with their own stoplights and such. As I recall, the Gazelle was really comfy and easy for such a heavy bike.

All that aside, I have to say the hardest and most adrenaline filled ride I had was out to Red Rock with a 50 mph (80 kph) headwind which had me in the lowest gear and standing almost still, and when I turned around, a tailwind that my cyclometer app had me going almost 36 mph -in silence, no wind noise. Eerie.

I'd rather ride uphill, I think. You dependably have the reward of going back downhill.

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The event was at the other side of the country, it's a three hour drive, otherwise I would have 'competed', without spandex. I don't own spandex and it's about battling the wind and I would never stand a chance of achieving a good speed so why mimimize wind drag? It's also a competition made out of an experience that everyone here has had a many times in their life, in plain clothes.

It gets much harder if you're not in great shape. Someone here called head wind a mountain without a soul, at least it is a mountain without a top and a way down. If you lack the power to keep a certain speed it wil get very hard to balance the bike, especially if there's strong gusts, and if you want to take a more aerdynamic position, balancing gets even harder and sometimes you have to be tacking to keep enough momentum. Side winds are fun too, less exhausting but technically more difficult, especially with coat guards, panniers or a crate on the front rack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QtxJNhiog
Holy shizballs! That looks to be epicly epic! I love the kid that was still riding at the end, smiling and through the wind apocalypse!
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