Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Commuting
Reload this Page >

Studded tires or fat bike in the snow?

Notices
Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

Studded tires or fat bike in the snow?

Old 12-31-16, 08:25 PM
  #51  
Ghostknife
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: St Clair MI
Posts: 52

Bikes: 14 DiamondBack Interval Carbon, 14 Specialized Fatboy Expert, 08 Specialized Langster London

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Fatbike! I put more miles on my Fatboy this year than my other bikes. Just a fun bike to ride and puts a smile on my face every time i ride it. May not be as fast on dry cement in the winter but if snow should pop up while at work im set to ride home.
Ghostknife is offline  
Old 01-01-17, 02:04 PM
  #52  
Currmudge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
For me personally, fatties are shiitake. Test rides on them have never lasted more than a minute.

I've run Schwalbe Ice Spikers for 4 winters now -- only when snow/ice surface conditions warrant it. Clear and dry right now (DMR Redshifts for that)....

Ice and hardpack snow are nothing for the Schwalbe's, but the deep stuff will pitch me sideways no matter HOW I'm traveling, or how cautiously. The first heavy snow this winter saw me PUSH my bike to the main road, then ride to work.
Currmudge is offline  
Old 01-01-17, 04:05 PM
  #53  
Daniel4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,397

Bikes: Sekini 1979 ten speed racer

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 905 Post(s)
Liked 130 Times in 93 Posts
Went out today for what may turn out to be an annual ritual. Last year I took the fattie out to my regular mup to test how the manufacturer's tire would perform in the snow and ice. I slipped. Thus my purchase of a pair of studded Dillinger 4s. This year I took it out to test the tire pressures. I'm running on 4psi on the front and 6 in the rear. The path was solid ice with frozen foot prints.

Still slipped a bit but that was climbing up a frozen curb so there was a lot of lateral movement there.
Daniel4 is offline  
Old 01-02-17, 04:01 PM
  #54  
Daniel4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,397

Bikes: Sekini 1979 ten speed racer

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 905 Post(s)
Liked 130 Times in 93 Posts
Originally Posted by heywood View Post
.... In the winter i always expect to have to get off sometimes and push, on the plus side it's way easier than pushing a car.
The cardio is incredible especially up hill.
Daniel4 is offline  
Old 01-06-17, 08:03 AM
  #55  
snow_echo_NY
Senior Member
 
snow_echo_NY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 855

Bikes: Surly Crosscheck, Yuba Mundo cargo, Specialized Dolce Triple (stolen 5/8/15)

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by tjspiel View Post
I'm not sure how much has been said regarding this, but technique and riding position plays a role too. I'll wager that there are people who are much better at getting through snow than I am. I've been winter commuting for over 10 years and I still have things to learn.
I think this is true. My technique isn't great over snow and I've gotten tips from friends who ride in Denver when there's snow. but still, NYC just doesn't get as much snow to really practice technique. any time i feel slipping i pump the brakes gently and just put my foot down, i am sliding all over the place anyway and putting my treaded winter boot down works well.
snow_echo_NY is offline  
Old 01-06-17, 08:49 AM
  #56  
Leebo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North of Boston
Posts: 5,649

Bikes: Kona Dawg, Surly 1x1, Karate Monkey, Rockhopper, Crosscheck , Burley Runabout,

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 831 Post(s)
Liked 67 Times in 49 Posts
Originally Posted by Currmudge View Post
For me personally, fatties are shiitake. Test rides on them have never lasted more than a minute.

I've run Schwalbe Ice Spikers for 4 winters now -- only when snow/ice surface conditions warrant it. Clear and dry right now (DMR Redshifts for that)....

Ice and hardpack snow are nothing for the Schwalbe's, but the deep stuff will pitch me sideways no matter HOW I'm traveling, or how cautiously. The first heavy snow this winter saw me PUSH my bike to the main road, then ride to work.
Try some studded tires for the fatbike next time.
Leebo is offline  
Old 01-06-17, 12:45 PM
  #57  
Daniel4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,397

Bikes: Sekini 1979 ten speed racer

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 905 Post(s)
Liked 130 Times in 93 Posts
Originally Posted by Leebo View Post
Try some studded tires for the fatbike next time.
I have studded Dillinger 4s on my fat bike. Today during my morning commute through the park, it was all ice. A lot of the snow has dried up. Climbing, my rear wheel kept slipping but I made it to the top of the hill and out of the park. Didn't fall at all.

I'm running on 4psi in the front and 6psi in the back. I wonder if my rear traction is too low and should increase it to 7, 8 or higher just to make the profile more round and therefore more force on each stud.
Daniel4 is offline  
Old 01-06-17, 03:33 PM
  #58  
Banzai
Jet Jockey
 
Banzai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 4,901

Bikes: Cannondale CAAD9, Ritchey Breakaway Cross, Nashbar X-frame bike, Bike Friday Haul-a-Day, Surly Pugsley.

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 357 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 19 Times in 17 Posts
As the owner of a Pugsley, I have to say there is nothing practical about it. In almost every condition, my 35mm Marathon Winters perform better.

However, after a fresh snowfall, it is just plain fun to go trundle through everything on the Pugs. The only condition my Marathon Winter doesn't do well at is piled snow...they fishtail and founder. The Pugs on Nates just plow through, and even with some fishtailing, they plow through anyway.

I don't see how the Gravdal would be better than the Marathon Winter. The Marathon's drawback is a shallow and tightly packed tread, which allows the snow to pack up, and doesn't give much bite in deeper snow. The Gravdal also has a tightly packed and shallow tread.

Those Nokians however...
__________________
Good night...and good luck
Banzai is offline  
Old 01-06-17, 06:48 PM
  #59  
Leebo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North of Boston
Posts: 5,649

Bikes: Kona Dawg, Surly 1x1, Karate Monkey, Rockhopper, Crosscheck , Burley Runabout,

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 831 Post(s)
Liked 67 Times in 49 Posts
I find 2" nokian extremes work well for brown snot( car chewed snow and sand) as well as for chunky ice and deeper snow.
Leebo is offline  
Old 01-06-17, 07:24 PM
  #60  
Currmudge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Leebo View Post
Try some studded tires for the fatbike next time.
Don't OWN one; did you miss the implication in my first sentence? (Test rides)
Currmudge is offline  
Old 01-09-17, 11:24 AM
  #61  
Tim_Iowa
Senior Member
 
Tim_Iowa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Posts: 1,643

Bikes: 1997 Rivendell Road Standard 650b conversion (tourer), 1988 Schwinn Project KOM-10 (gravel/tour), 2013 Foundry Auger disc (CX/gravel), 2016 Cannondale Fat CAAD 2 (MTB/winter), 2011 Cannondale Flash 29er Lefty (trail MTB)

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 166 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
I have studded Dillinger 4s on my fat bike. Today during my morning commute through the park, it was all ice. A lot of the snow has dried up. Climbing, my rear wheel kept slipping but I made it to the top of the hill and out of the park. Didn't fall at all.

I'm running on 4psi in the front and 6psi in the back. I wonder if my rear traction is too low and should increase it to 7, 8 or higher just to make the profile more round and therefore more force on each stud.
That's not how pressure vs. traction works.

The force your studs have against the ground is affected by your weight.

The amount of studs that contact the ground is affected by the air pressure. Low pressure flattens out the tire's footprint and allows more studs (and more tire) to make contact.

Raising the air pressure would make your tire roll faster, but would reduce the number of studs making contact. I can zoom along on smooth ice with 8/9 psi in my Dillinger 5's. But at that pressure, they bounce and slide in bumpy ice and ruts. Lowering the pressure to 6 psi makes the tire roll slower but it increases traction.

In my experience, even a low pressure studded fat tire can slide if you hit the ruts off-angle. The front tire will track but the rear will try to slide out under me. Some of my local singletrack has frozen slush with twisty ruts, and it's sketchy even with my Dillinger 5's.
Tim_Iowa is offline  
Old 01-09-17, 11:55 AM
  #62  
Leebo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: North of Boston
Posts: 5,649

Bikes: Kona Dawg, Surly 1x1, Karate Monkey, Rockhopper, Crosscheck , Burley Runabout,

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 831 Post(s)
Liked 67 Times in 49 Posts
Originally Posted by Currmudge View Post
Don't OWN one; did you miss the implication in my first sentence? (Test rides)
Well that's just silly, it's winter. Everyone should be rolling fat studs.
Leebo is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
PdalPowr
Fatbikes
13
01-25-18 07:58 AM
BobbyG
Commuting
10
04-10-17 07:15 PM
racoonbeast
Commuting
24
07-16-14 01:27 AM
Rimmer
Winter Cycling
22
02-10-14 06:18 PM
apk
Commuting
14
12-09-13 02:21 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.