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Old 03-14-17, 04:53 PM   #1
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Schwalbe Hurricane VS Land cruiser VS Marathon Greenguard tyres? Which?

Damn guys I still can't decide on which tyres to get for my bike
I'm 100% sure I have narrowed down to these 3 models (EDITED!)

Schwalbe Hurricane
http://www.schwalbe.com/gb/offroad-r...hurricane.html

Schwalbe Smart Sam
http://www.schwalbe.com/gb/offroad-r...smart-sam.html

Schwalbe Marathon CROSS
http://www.schwalbe.com/gb/tour-read...hon-cross.html
If you check the data on their website than they say that the marathon CROSS got a better rolling resistance, but what's the reality..who knows.



It's for 40% tarmac, 60% other terains, no hardcore stuff, just need enough grip not to slip out in case I need to drive through something wet, so all of them will do.

If you don't look at the price, BUT only wanted to get the best/fastest/most responsive tyre which one from those 3 would you choose? Only from those 3..
Just based really on performance and nothing else.

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Old 03-14-17, 06:20 PM   #2
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The Marathon's are quite heavy but extremely puncture resistant, they do, however, roll well for their weight. Screws and big staples can still penetrate the tread, but they are great for commuting in urban areas where broken glass can be a issue.

The Hurricane and Land Cruiser are likely better for off road, but I have no experience with either. I tend to doubt that they have the same level of puncture resistance. Weights don't seem to be listed in the first couple links I clicked...
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Old 03-14-17, 08:28 PM   #3
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I'd focus on the Marathon Green Guard, seems to be the lightest of all and comes with a decent guard. Have been riding the land cruiser on a 26'' MTB before and loved its rolling performance and traction on road and light gravel (never tested more). No issues with flats. However, it's listed to be 50% heavier than the Marathon.
Edit: The front tire of that MTB was running a tire with a tread that looks very much like the Hurricane (even though I believe it was a different brand). The abrupt change in tread pattern when you lean into curves at high speed on asphalt always gave me a very strong feeling that I'm going to slip soon. I don't know if anyone else can comment on this...

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Old 03-14-17, 09:56 PM   #4
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Edit: The front tire of that MTB was running a tire with a tread that looks very much like the Hurricane (even though I believe it was a different brand). The abrupt change in tread pattern when you lean into curves at high speed on asphalt always gave me a very strong feeling that I'm going to slip soon. I don't know if anyone else can comment on this...
Yup. The drawback I've encountered with tires that have pronounced shoulder tread for traction off pavement is that tread feels squirrely on tight curves on pavement. Both my Michelin Protek Cross Max (highly recommended for the worst possible roads -- unavoidable broken glass, construction debris, etc.) and Continental Speed Rides (excellent value in dry weather cyclocross style tires) have pronounced shoulder tread -- great on deep sandy washes, pea gravel fills, mowed grassy levee tops and moderate off road/no road riding; not so great for tight turns on pavement, such as quick left turns at intersections.

But with a little wear and some practice you get used to it. Just don't get carried away on wet paved roads or loose sand over pavement on those turns.

The Schwalbe Marathon Greenguards will be my next all purpose tires. The rounded shoulders would be better for fast cornering. The puncture resistant liner would handle all but the worst stuff I've encountered. The rolling resistance website rates it very highly. And the price is right.
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You know Schwalbe rates the characteristics of their tires on their website:

https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_t...ires/hurricane
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_t...s/marathon_420
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_t...s/land_cruiser

So if you believe Schwalbe: Marathon 420 and Hurricane equal on the road, Hurricane better on dirt, Marathon 420 more durable. Land Cruiser more or less worse across the board.
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You know Schwalbe rates the characteristics of their tires on their website:

So if you believe Schwalbe: Marathon 420 and Hurricane equal on the road, Hurricane better on dirt, Marathon 420 more durable. Land Cruiser more or less worse across the board.


Thank you Sir for the links!
That's what I wanted to see.
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Yet again I think I have changed my mind as I now came across the schwalbe website where I could see all their models and see their characteristics.
I have discarded land cruisers (too slow and cheaply built) and the Green guard marathons ( I think the Marathons CROSS version based on their website specs looks better and faster?)

This is getting a bit stupid... but.. Which one from these 3 models would you choose?


Schwalbe Hurricane
http://www.schwalbe.com/gb/offroad-r...hurricane.html

Schwalbe Smart Sam
http://www.schwalbe.com/gb/offroad-r...smart-sam.html

Schwalbe Marathon CROSS
http://www.schwalbe.com/gb/tour-read...hon-cross.html



Thanks once again...
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I'd go with Marathon Cross. Fastest one - if not riding through mud and sand, just for hard packed dirt, perhaps a patch of wet grass - that would be my choice. It's the least slow of the 3 options.

However, I'd give myself the liberty to ask: do you ride in thorn ridden roads?
If not, I'd recommend a 47 mm (1.75") wide tyre, without puncture protection. It is wide enough to be run at pressures not over 4 bars, which makes it very hard for broken glass to cut into the tyre, so won't be too puncture prone.
Downside: you'd need to be looking more where you're riding (alhough even puncture protected tyres aren't puncture proof, so looking where you ride applies there as well).
Upside: lighter, more comfortable tyre models to choose from.
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Well I bought the Hurricanes , simply because I didn't wanted to spend any more and they seemed one of the best there is.
Well... It was a bit of a nightmare to fit them correctly- to set the bead accurately so they don't wobble , even with soap water it was a total pain in a$$ to fit and I still didn't got one totally right.
I previously had some budget chepo totally worn mtb tires on it that came with the bike ( circa 8-9years old).
I have done some 20miles with the hurricanes now, all pumped up to get better rolling resistance.

And I'm really not sure if I'm faster with them, ok maybe there's 4-5% improvement, MAYBE, or it's only in my head.
Conclusion: Shouldn't have bothered doing all this research and spending money on them It's all about the driver...
I'm yet to see any real improvement/performance gain from old worn cheapo tyres I had,maybe because my old tyres were so worn that they didn't had any thread left so maybe they were already pretty efficient being bald?
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It was a bit of a nightmare to fit them correctly- to set the bead accurately so they don't wobble , even with soap water it was a total pain in a$$ to fit and I still didn't got one totally right.
Check the rim tape. On my bikes when the bead won't seat completely to eliminate a wobbly tire mount it's always been the rim tape. As I replace tubes and tires I replaced the original thin rubber rim strips with cloth tape -- Velox, Nashbar, whatever, they're all good. But cloth tape is thicker and if it's too wide it'll prevent some tire beads from settling in properly. I've had to use scissors to trim the cloth tape narrow enough to fit the rim recess when the LBS didn't have anything narrow enough.

And if you're using the original thin rubber rim strips be sure it didn't wiggle around and slip out of the rim recess and onto the shoulder -- I've dealt with that too, when an old rubber rim strip was stretched out and wouldn't stay put.
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Conclusion: Shouldn't have bothered doing all this research and spending money on them It's all about the driver...
Yes, it's mostly about the engine. But Tires are the biggest factor in ride comfort.

Don't necessarily pump the tires up as hard as possible, rigid vibration can be mis-interpreted as speed instead of energy loss. This is a great listen.

Check back in a bit with your longer term impressions of the Hurricanes. I'm coming close to needing to replace my tires, and Hurricane and Marathon Cross are two of my top contenders (as well as Marathon 360GT).

I've got about 7K miles on a pair of Marathon Supreme 700x50 (29x2), and frankly I can probably get another 5K out of them, but they look a little balloony and fredly, and they're quite expensive, so when the time comes I'll try something else.
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