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Originally Posted by Andy_K
(Post 19592723)
but most of the area between the suburb where I live and the suburb where I work is filled with an uninterrupted maze of cul-de-sacs.
by comparison, this dense grid of interconnected main streets, secondary streets, and side streets pictured below represents the first couple miles of the neighborhoods i commute through on the far northside of chicago. there's usually a way to avoid the busy streets if you want to, without needing to go stupidly out of your way or doubling your distance. https://s14.postimg.org/hayb92yw1/bike_map.jpg |
Nice! My dad grew up in Chicago and had a job in HS delivering flowers. He's in his 70s and can still drive you to practically any address in the north or west side without consulting a map. That street grid is burned in his brain.
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For kicks I mapped out a route from my house to the office that avoids high traffic roads as much as possible. It wasn't possible to avoid them completely because of a couple of creeks that are only bridged for high traffic roads and the lack of options around where I work, but it's mostly residential. I was surprised to find that it only adds a bit over two miles.
It kind of looks like the result of a fractal generator though. I might give it a try some day. |
Originally Posted by Andy_K
(Post 19590505)
I think the situation in which I'd feel least safe is a rural road with no shoulder and sparse traffic. With nothing to keep drivers engaged or slow them down driver error seems a bit more likely.
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Originally Posted by KD5NRH
(Post 19592525)
That's where a Radbot or other pattern-blink taillight comes in handy; once you have their attention, most will take advantage of the otherwise empty road to give you all the room they can. It's just a matter of being able to say "I'm here and I'm relevant" in a way they catch from a good distance.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K
(Post 19592723)
There's one very short stretch on my commute where I can move from Main Street to Meadow Lane (actual names), but most of the area between the suburb where I live and the suburb where I work is filled with an uninterrupted maze of cul-de-sacs. Picking a route through there would probably double the distance of my commute.
Originally Posted by Steely Dan
(Post 19592760)
that's one of the most annoying failures of post-war suburban sprawl. the disconnectivity of it all can be maddening.
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Originally Posted by Korina
(Post 19593020)
You're assuming that 1. they're sober, and 2. they're paying some minimal attention to the road. You know what they say about "assume". :p
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Most of my commute is on busy multi lane roads, no way I could count.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
(Post 19593213)
I ride nearly 10 miles of rural roads on my commute, and have done it hundreds of times. I have not once had a problem with anyone not seeing me.
But I still much prefer multilane arterial roads over 2-lane rural. |
Originally Posted by Korina
(Post 19593020)
You're assuming that 1. they're sober, and 2. they're paying some minimal attention to the road. You know what they say about "assume". :p
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i counted again last evening and this morning for a total of 6 sets of data:
morning commute #1: 5 cars + 1 motorcycle morning commute #2: 6 cars morning commute #3: 4 cars evening commute #1: 3 cars evening commute #2: 7 cars + 1 motorcycle evening commute #3: 1 car so now with 3 full days of commuting data at hand, i feel confident enough to calculate a real average: on average, i am passed by 4.67 motor vehicles per commute leg (5 miles). let's just round that up to 5, and because my commute is 5 miles long, we can call that an average of ~1 passing motor vehicle per mile (1 pmvpm) and i promise i'll stop doing this now ;) |
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