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Old 07-26-17, 12:09 PM   #1
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E-Bike Commuters - What's in your emergency tool kit?

So in addition to the normal tools/supplies (tube, tire levers, pump, multi-tool, bus schedule etc.) what do you carry specifically for your e-bike? I was thinking of adding zip ties (probably a good idea in the non e-bike tool kit too), electrical tape, maybe wire cutter/stripper. Anything else?




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Absolutely nothing extra, I just have my "normal" tools. But I also don't commute as I am retired...
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same ol' same ol'

Same kit as I carry when commuting analog + a 15 mm combo wrench for the back wheel.
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Same for me also. I swap my trunk bag between e-bike and road bike commuter. Each bike has its own seat bag with tire levers, gloves, patches, spare tube, etc. Then I also move my mini-pump between bikes.
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I have way more than I need. I have a pannier that has more than I can remember... but I'm prepared for flats, adjustments, first aid, and even some maintenance. It's an ebike, weight doesn't have to be much of a consideration for my commute. I have spare tubes to give other riders.

Ebike has been such a perfect commuter.
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I carry a Lezyne, Port-a-shop toolkit (Lezyne - Engineered Design - Products - Multi-Tools - Port-a Shop Tool Kit). Tire pump. Digital shock pump. Co2 tire pump, spare tire, two spare tubes. A fist-sized multi-tool that has the majority of what I need to tighten a fitting during a ride. Brooks seat wrench. Rohloff wrench head. Multi-meter. Fluids and spare parts. Flex tape and the Mil-spec/Polyken 231 tape.

I love being able to pull up to anyone with a bike problem and fix it. I rode up, patched, and filled, a little kids tire once. He looked at me like Superman.
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I carry a Lezyne, Port-a-shop toolkit (Lezyne - Engineered Design - Products - Multi-Tools - Port-a Shop Tool Kit). Tire pump. Digital shock pump. Co2 tire pump, spare tire, two spare tubes. A fist-sized multi-tool that has the majority of what I need to tighten a fitting during a ride. Brooks seat wrench. Rohloff wrench head. Multi-meter. Fluids and spare parts. Flex tape and the Mil-spec/Polyken 231 tape.

I love being able to pull up to anyone with a bike problem and fix it. I rode up, patched, and filled, a little kids tire once. He looked at me like Superman.
Nice rig there.

I've never seen anyone convert a TT bike to an eBike, most in the Vaterland just buy a pedelec straight-up. How do you like the non-mid-drive option?
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Nice rig there.

I've never seen anyone convert a TT bike to an eBike, most in the Vaterland just buy a pedelec straight-up. How do you like the non-mid-drive option?
Let the lesson beginneth... To answer your question, I have never seen a Non-Mid-Drive Tout Terrain, let alone the Panamericana. Both Tout Terrain and Riese and Muller went with other manufacturers of motors rather than step up and do it to their own specs. Both companies chose to produce bikes that no other manufacturer has taken on. Full suspension touring. Even up to offering a Pinion Gearbox.

Their own words: "The Panamericana will give you a unique cycling experience - it's comfortable, rigid, and solid. A full-suspension touring bike with no compromises" No compromises, right up to when the motor was applied. I also think that the side stand they use is crap. Plus a few other small details.

When bike motors took over and became the rage in Europe both companies shorted it and went limp, like Jeep deciding on using a VW motor. But again, back to your question... The standard drive model, pinion gear model, and ebike varients are all center drives, applying torque to the chain. Why anyone would put a (low torque) hub motor on a Panamericana?. I personally don't have the room for one even if I did chose to go that way. With a Dynamo in front and a Speed Hub in the back, there's no room left. I have mulled over the options and payoffs of installing a hub motor in the trailer wheel but would rather spend the money on stealth technology. Joking of course, but I do have a camo tarp that could be considered stealth. The Panamericana is a goat, the trailer is actually named Mule. They are made to climb and ride places that other bikes can't. Just like Fat-bikes are designed to be used in new environments.

I researched the hell out of things before I started spending money. Bike, gearing, wheelsets, motor, battery, seat, and the people I needed to help get it all together. Fortunately and unfortunately I was forced to use Peter White Cycles to obtain the bike from TT. I had problems with both him and his lack of service, and TT not backing those services. My suggestion is to not buy from TT unless you can walk into a store and negotiate the deal. Also, don't pay upfront.

I have drifted away from your question again... "How do you like the non-mid-drive option?" I have never seen one. And actually, by American definition my bike isn't an ebike, she is a "low speed electric bicycle". Or a Class 1 Ebike to Californias standard. Which is exactly what I wanted. Something I can take anywhere a bike is permitted. And a lot of places she isn't permitted when no one is looking.

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I have way more than I need. I have a pannier that has more than I can remember... but I'm prepared for flats, adjustments, first aid, and even some maintenance. It's an ebike, weight doesn't have to be much of a consideration for my commute. I have spare tubes to give other riders.

Ebike has been such a perfect commuter.
Get rid of that hub motor and get a mid-drive, you will go farther and climb steeper slopes, then you will have the perfect commuter, even if you live in the Alps. I actually got to watch a med-tech use my first-aid kit to stitch up a guys leg once. The same guy that laughed at me for having a kit big enough to include suturing materials.
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Let the lesson beginneth... To answer your question, I have never seen a Non-Mid-Drive Tout Terrain, let alone the Panamericana. Both Tout Terrain and Riese and Muller went with other manufacturers of motors rather than step up and do it to their own specs. Both companies chose to produce bikes that no other manufacturer has taken on. Full suspension touring. Even up to offering a Pinion Gearbox.

Their own words: "The Panamericana will give you a unique cycling experience - it's comfortable, rigid, and solid. A full-suspension touring bike with no compromises" No compromises, right up to when the motor was applied. I also think that the side stand they use is crap. Plus a few other small details.

When bike motors took over and became the rage in Europe both companies shorted it and went limp, like Jeep deciding on using a VW motor. But again, back to your question... The standard drive model, pinion gear model, and ebike varients are all center drives, applying torque to the chain. Why anyone would put a (low torque) hub motor on a Panamericana?. I personally don't have the room for one even if I did chose to go that way. With a Dynamo in front and a Speed Hub in the back, there's no room left. I have mulled over the options and payoffs of installing a hub motor in the trailer wheel but would rather spend the money on stealth technology. Joking of course, but I do have a camo tarp that could be considered stealth. The Panamericana is a goat, the trailer is actually named Mule. They are made to climb and ride places that other bikes can't. Just like Fat-bikes are designed to be used in new environments.

I researched the hell out of things before I started spending money. Bike, gearing, wheelsets, motor, battery, seat, and the people I needed to help get it all together. Fortunately and unfortunately I was forced to use Peter White Cycles to obtain the bike from TT. I had problems with both him and his lack of service, and TT not backing those services. My suggestion is to not buy from TT unless you can walk into a store and negotiate the deal. Also, don't pay upfront.

I have drifted away from your question again... "How do you like the non-mid-drive option?" I have never seen one. And actually, by American definition my bike isn't an ebike, she is a "low speed electric bicycle". Or a Class 1 Ebike to Californias standard. Which is exactly what I wanted. Something I can take anywhere a bike is permitted. And a lot of places she isn't permitted when no one is looking.
Thank you that was quite elegant.
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Thank you that was quite elegant.
Yeah, well, elegant and condescending are both right in my American gun-toting wheelhouse.
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Well, my ebike has redundancy built in.

If the motor fails I pedal
if pedaling fails (once I accelerated too hard and broke a chain), I just motor home.

But I carry a cell phone with UBER for the really tough jobs (snapped a derailer 2 hours from home on a non ebike - it was either uber or hitch hike. I have hitch hiked in the pre-UBER days though. People who drive pickup trucks around here are either very nice and helpful, or will run your bike off the road. Not much in the middle, LOL.
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I carry a smart phone, tube, patch kit, tire levers, high pressure pump, presta to shrader adapter (if others need help), portable battery, multi-gauge spoke wrench, adjustable wrench, socket wrench just for my rear hub, swiss army knife, zip ties, kryptonite lock, 7 ft heavy duty cable, seat cable, 2 heavy duty trash bags (to keep items water tight), 2 pairs of bike glasses (clear lens and brown lens), lens cloths to clean the glasses, small disc brake lock w/key (in case I forget my keys for the big lock - happened once)

Electrical tape or plumbers tape is probably the only thing I would like to add. Sometimes a brake sensor can get loose if you don't super glue it and the tape would help there more so than the zip tie.

Never had a need for wire cutters.

I ride a cargo bike with a second front motor with its own independent battery so weight really isn't a concern. Both front and rear motors are activated through pedal assist so I rarely use the throttle if ever.

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I carry a Lezyne, Port-a-shop toolkit (Lezyne - Engineered Design - Products - Multi-Tools - Port-a Shop Tool Kit). Tire pump. Digital shock pump. Co2 tire pump, spare tire, two spare tubes. A fist-sized multi-tool that has the majority of what I need to tighten a fitting during a ride. Brooks seat wrench. Rohloff wrench head. Multi-meter. Fluids and spare parts. Flex tape and the Mil-spec/Polyken 231 tape.

I love being able to pull up to anyone with a bike problem and fix it. I rode up, patched, and filled, a little kids tire once. He looked at me like Superman.
I see you have a em3ev bag. How do you like the em3ev battery? I've only had experience with Luna and Dillenger batteries and like both. Just seems like the em3ev batteries are a better deal.
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I should probably stick a small bag with a pair of Missing Links into my e-bike seat bag, in case my e-bike chain snaps, since I'm using the $10 KMC 8-speed chain that the LBS carries. I would think I would be able to limp home by adding a missing link, and possibly removing a link or two with a chain breaker.
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I see you have a em3ev bag. How do you like the em3ev battery? I've only had experience with Luna and Dillenger batteries and like both. Just seems like the em3ev batteries are a better deal.
Hey, thanks for asking. I love the EM3 batteries and the bag. I choose EM3 because they were producing the largest Li-ion's at the time, maybe still. Well made and have not had a hiccup from either of mine. One is 29.7ah the other is over 30ah. The cost is about the same as other manufacturers when postage is added, which I will say has gone down quite a bit. I actually got the 1st triangle pack made using the newest LG MJ1 cells.

Note: Regardless of what manufacturer you choose to buy batteries I highly suggest that you use the Grin Tech. Satiator for a charger. I have had no drop-off after 100s of charges using the 90/20 limit. I don't charge past 90% full and don't deplete past 20%. That gives me 70% of total capacity to use and hopefully, many hundreds more recharges.

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Diffs only from my non-ebike kits: long handled tools, leatherman, zip ties, battery powered pump, extra lights). Extra rain gear (top and bottoms, even if there isn't a rain forecast), in winter, extra thermal layers. VOM, nice to be able to determine the battery's current voltage ... or in some situations that a wire is intact....

All in all, I keep a pannier with that stuff, I can just pull that off and put on another for shopping trips (and take my chances without all the tools ;>).

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Get rid of that hub motor and get a mid-drive, you will go farther and climb steeper slopes, then you will have the perfect commuter, even if you live in the Alps. I actually got to watch a med-tech use my first-aid kit to stitch up a guys leg once. The same guy that laughed at me for having a kit big enough to include suturing materials.
There will always be something better that comes along. When I tested the mid-drives, I didn't find them to be as quiet or smooth as my direct drive hub motor. Yes, if I were buying an ebike today, I'd get one of the mid-drives. But, I'm not buying an e-bike today, since my e-bike that I already have has served me well for nearly 3 years now. When I buy bicycles or cycling gear, I buy really nice stuff... with the idea that I'll ride it and use it for a very long time. My e-bike is a conversion... a ten year old steel touring bike. I imagine I'll still be riding the touring frame long after the e-bike motor and battery are toast. (then I'll buy another e-bike for my bike collection... who knows if mid-drives will be the latest and greatest at that time?)

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There will always be something better that comes along. When I tested the mid-drives, I didn't find them to be as quiet or smooth as my direct drive hub motor. Yes, if I were buying an ebike today, I'd get one of the mid-drives. But, I'm not buying an e-bike today, since my e-bike that I already have has served me well for nearly 3 years now. When I buy bicycles or cycling gear, I buy really nice stuff... with the idea that I'll ride it and use it for a very long time. My e-bike is a conversion... a ten year old steel touring bike. I imagine I'll still be riding the touring frame long after the e-bike motor and battery are toast. (then I'll by another e-bike for my bike collection... who knows if mid-drives will be the latest and greatest at that time?)
You and I must be brothers of different mothers then. I hate to spend money on something that I am worried won't last when there are possibly better-made versions available. So I end up paying for the best. You Do get what you pay for after all. We also pay a higher price when buying something new to the marketplace. I understand the point about a motor that makes noise. Mine is so quiet that those times it does make any sound I stop to see if something is wrong or if something has simply changed. Some of the super high watt mid-drive conversions sound like an electric chainsaw, completely unbearable.... unless you are a "kid" performing death-defying leaps over fire or something. Like you, I chose a steel frame to ride. Partly because of the old tour bike rider belief that it would be possible/easier to have a steel frame repaired anywhere in the world that the bike may find herself. I am sure there will be plenty of innovations down the road to take advantage of and marvel over but applying power to the chain will always be better for climbing than using hub-motors.
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Well, my ebike has redundancy built in.

If the motor fails I pedal if pedaling fails (once I accelerated too hard and broke a chain), I just motor home......
That is the 1st and most excellent reason for having a hub-motor I have ever heard. Catistrrofic failure. Although I don't consider a broken chain something to stop the ride. They are easily repaired on the road. But a broken crank, crank gear, pedal or blown-out bearing. Any of these and you could motor on home still, or up the road to a proper bike shop. Good one. Thanks Chas.
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Well, it is if you don't have a chain tool! I was on a group ride once (MTB) where someone broke a chain, and I would estimate that 80% of the people on the ride had no clue how to use a chain tool. I was shocked.

Although I consider these things really rare, it happened to me twice this year. The second time was a 4 hour ride (non ebike) where a stick destroyed my derailer about 1/2 way into the ride. The only option there was to call Uber or hitch hike.
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Well, it is if you don't have a chain tool! I was on a group ride once (MTB) where someone broke a chain, and I would estimate that 80% of the people on the ride had no clue how to use a chain tool. I was shocked.

Although I consider these things really rare, it happened to me twice this year. The second time was a 4 hour ride (non ebike) where a stick destroyed my derailer about 1/2 way into the ride. The only option there was to call Uber or hitch hike.
It doesn't just have to be a chain, it could be anything that stops you from being able to send torque through the chain... broken crank, damaged gear, even 4 broken toes because some nimwhit blocked the bike path with pumpkins.
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