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Old 10-19-17, 02:26 PM
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Help - Which lane do I remain in for Right turn?

Hi,

New to this community and to commuting on a bike!

I have the same story shared by new cyclists commuting to work: I'm nervous. I am looking at the map for the most bike-friendly road here in the Bay Area Peninsula. Here's my question that might be a bit of an over-analysis. Forgive me.

I'm on a bike lane, but I want to turn right. However, there's a right turn lane on the right of the bike lane. Do I stay on my bike lane and turn right onto the perpendicular bike lane or move over to the non-bike right turn lane, which is right of the bike lane, to turn right and then get on the new bike lane?

I just want to make sure I am using the correct lane to turn right from a bike lane that has a regular right turn lane on the right of it.

I can't post a picture yet, but I hope I am clear. If possible, it's on imgur with the directory /a/PByg9 after .com.

Thanks so much.

I hope to learn more from everyone here in the other threads.
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Old 10-19-17, 02:31 PM
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Right-turning traffic, including bikes, should be in the right-turn lane. The bike lane would be for cyclists who are continuing straight through the intersection.
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You should probably (1) merge in with the right-turning cars - so it'll be clear what you're doing, and no one will try to squeeze you out or give you the hook. Take the lane until you're around the corner, and then move over when you're through. Use your signals and get eye-contact... drivers understand and appreciate that.

(1) I say "probably" because I don't know this corner - might not be appropriate for all corners.
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Always make right turns from as near as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway.

- state law in 49 US states, all except Oregon.
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I've got the same turn on my commute. Move over to the right turn lane as soon as it becomes available. Signal. Cars wanting to pass you will pass you on the left.

Here's the intersection:
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Eas...!4d-79.3780866
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Ride your bike doing things the same way as if you are in a car. When there is a bike lane use it, it's like an extra lane that is off limits to cars, sort of same idea as a high capacity/carpool lane. When you turn, signal your intention and move in to the turn lane that the cars use. Riding like you are a car and following the same rules (for the most part) will make your actions more predictable to the car drivers which means you are less likely to get run over.
Of course there are certain instances where not acting like a car is safer, but you'll figure those out quickly.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Unless in a drive Left Country,, British Isles or Au/NZ ?
hence why I specified it as the state law in 49 US states.
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Lots of these youtube tapes and other material is available on line

Take a look and your question and perhaps others you may not have asked will be there. One place to look is the Hat City Cyclist Advocacy page. A bit out of date with some stuff but I believe the 'how to' stuff is in date. Advocacy - Hat City Cyclists
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94 View Post
Always make right turns from as near as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway.

- state law in 49 US states, all except Oregon.

I'm sure CA doesn't say this explicitly. It says stay to the right except when (a few scenarios) including a bunch of generally unsafe conditions which could surely include cars clipping you at the corner.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
I've got the same turn on my commute. Move over to the right turn lane as soon as it becomes available. Signal. Cars wanting to pass you will pass you on the left.

Here's the intersection:
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Eas...!4d-79.3780866
That truck nicely illustrates why you don't want to be in the bike lane to make a right turn, maiaro. If you were to stay in the bike lane, you'd have to turn wide of a vehicle that is already turning very wide. When you finish the turn, you are on the wrong side of a very large vehicle where you aren't expected to be.

Get into the right turn lane and control the flow of traffic behind you. Specifically you shouldn't allow the cars to "pass you on the left" as mcours2006 stated in his post above. This is a right hook and probably isn't good for the validity of your 3rd dimension. Make the cars wait by positioning yourself in the middle of the turn lane. Be bold and assertive. Generally speaking, people don't run over you from behind on purpose...there's just too much paperwork involved
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
Get into the right turn lane and control the flow of traffic behind you. Specifically you shouldn't allow the cars to "pass you on the left" as mcours2006 stated in his post above. This is a right hook and probably isn't good for the validity of your 3rd dimension. Make the cars wait by positioning yourself in the middle of the turn lane. Be bold and assertive. Generally speaking, people don't run over you from behind on purpose...there's just too much paperwork involved
Whether you want cars to pass you on the left or not is irrelevant and completely beyond your control because they will, even if you are on the left tire track of the RT lane. What I mean is that when you get into the RT lane you will take that lane. Drivers who think they can get ahead of you to turn will try to pass you on the through-lane left of the bike lane and then straddle the bike lane to cut in. If there is enough road ahead that's not a problem. However, most right-turning cars will file behind me on the RT lane to take their turn.

What you shouldn't do is stick too close to the curb of the RT lane because drivers will try to squeeze by next to you on the RT lane, and that's a recipe for a right hook.

In the example I cited above, I would be in the left centre of the RT lane right behind the truck, preferable in the truck driver's mirror.
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Old 10-19-17, 04:34 PM
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UThis is actually very simple if you think about it for a moment.

The one thing you DON'T want to do in any vehicle is turn across a lane. So right turn, you usually want to be in the right most lane, regardless of whether it's a bike or regular traffic lane.

Your situation has a small catch that might mislead you, so let's deal with that. The tight most lane is a right turn lane, so you might say you're not turning across it since any car there is turning also. Let's consider.

1-If both you and the car turn, you'll be to the left of it, and will then move across to get to the new bike lane.
2- while the driver to your right is supposed to turn, what if he doesn't?

So, Don't be fooled. In every situation, look at the specific situation and consider the what if possibilities of various options, and do what makes the most sense.

There may be one more wrinkle. If the street you're turning into has the lane to the left, you might think, OK, I'll stay in the bike lane, so I end up to the left of turning cars which is what I want. But agaain, what if the driver doesn't turn. However, moving all the wah to the right while safer leaves you on the wrong side. So, start in the middle of the turn lane so you're not crossing traffic, as you turn, you widen the turn heading for the bike lane on the left, and the driver can continue into his lane to your right.


So, bike lane, no bike lane, straight, turning or whatever. Same basic rules applies, consider the specific situation and do what's necessary to take control of your destiny.
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I agree with merge/turn, but if it's a weird one like this. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0545.../data=!3m1!1e3
The bike lane, after turning onto Kimble Bridge Rd (down in the picture) is sandwiched between the merge lane and the straight lane. Further on, it's a dotted lane that crosses the lane and winds up on the right side, with the two regular lanes merging. It sounds pretty awful but it actually works if you turn right from the light through the hash marks into the bike lane and merge with everyone else.

I'm not saying that's always best or even best there, but depending on the intersection the general correct advice might not be right.
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Motorists have been known to go straight from the right turn lane. That's only when they discover they didn't want to turn right but are too lazy to do their course correction properly.

So when you anticipate your own right turn and merge into the right turn lane, take the lane and get in line with the other motorists so that the car behind you has no chance of squeezing past you or squeezing you out. When you've finished making your right turn, get back into the bike lane.
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There are many different potential situations.

I never really like those center of the road bike lanes, so I'm often more comfortable at the far right anyway.

So, in most situations, I'll just head to the right side of the turn lane, signal, and turn right.

However, I could imagine a situation where one might have lots of cyclists in the bike lane which would prevent cars from getting around me, along with heavy traffic, and it might be beneficial to all to stay in the bike lane as long as possible.
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I cycled around and around and then through it a few times, just because I could.

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Also, Swindon's name have evolved from Swine town (d and t were essentially the same in old/middle English/german).

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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
I've got the same turn on my commute. Move over to the right turn lane as soon as it becomes available. Signal. Cars wanting to pass you will pass you on the left.

Here's the intersection:
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Eas...!4d-79.3780866
I am always impressed when I travel to the 'burbs nowadays. They have bike lanes! Bike lanes on Highway 7, oh my, we've come a long way, GTA!

P.S. That would be Greater Toronto Area, not Grand Theft Auto.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
OP did not say so project assumptions..



Originally Posted by maiaro View Post
...here in the Bay Area Peninsula. Here's my question...
@fietsbob Sounds like San Francisco area to me. Do you know of anywhere outside the US referred to as "Bay Area Peninsula"?

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I'm sure CA doesn't say this explicitly. It says stay to the right except when (a few scenarios) including a bunch of generally unsafe conditions which could surely include cars clipping you at the corner.
It's not a bike-specific law. It's part of the laws for turning movements concerning all vehicles. This is why the Federal MUTCD specified that bike lane lines change to dashed approximately 100-200 feet prior to side streets and driveways to facilitate a motorist merging into the bike lane to make the turn, instead of turning across it.
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Originally Posted by chephy View Post
I am always impressed when I travel to the 'burbs nowadays. They have bike lanes! Bike lanes on Highway 7, oh my, we've come a long way, GTA!

P.S. That would be Greater Toronto Area, not Grand Theft Auto.
Yeah, they are great, and I'm sure lots of other cyclists use them, but I rarely see any during the times that I commute. Besides, they only run from Bayview to Warden, a stretch of about 5 km.
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Use common sense and do what is safest under the circumstances. Assume no one can see you and act accordingly.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
I'm sure CA doesn't say this explicitly. It says stay to the right except when (a few scenarios) including a bunch of generally unsafe conditions which could surely include cars clipping you at the corner.
@DiabloScott and here you go sir. CVC 22100.

Originally Posted by California Traffic Laws
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DIVISION 11. RULES OF THE ROAD [21000 - 23336]

( Division 11 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

CHAPTER 6. Turning and Stopping and Turning Signals [22100 - 22113]

( Chapter 6 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. )

22100.

Except as provided in Section 22100.5 or 22101, the driver of any vehicle intending to turn upon a highway shall do so as follows:

(a) Right Turns. Both the approach for a right-hand turn and a right-hand turn shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except:
(1) Upon a highway having three marked lanes for traffic moving in one direction that terminates at an intersecting highway accommodating traffic in both directions, the driver of a vehicle in the middle lane may turn right into any lane lawfully available to traffic moving in that direction upon the roadway being entered.
(2) If a right-hand turn is made from a one-way highway at an intersection, a driver shall approach the turn as provided in this subdivision and shall complete the turn in any lane lawfully available to traffic moving in that direction upon the roadway being entered.
(3) Upon a highway having an additional lane or lanes marked for a right turn by appropriate signs or markings, the driver of a vehicle may turn right from any lane designated and marked for that turning movement.

(b) Left Turns. The approach for a left turn shall be made as close as practicable to the left-hand edge of the extreme left-hand lane or portion of the roadway lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of the vehicle and, when turning at an intersection, the left turn shall not be made before entering the intersection. After entering the intersection, the left turn shall be made so as to leave the intersection in a lane lawfully available to traffic moving in that direction upon the roadway being entered, except that upon a highway having three marked lanes for traffic moving in one direction that terminates at an intersecting highway accommodating traffic in both directions, the driver of a vehicle in the middle lane may turn left into any lane lawfully available to traffic moving in that direction upon the roadway being entered.

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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
Also, Swindon's name have evolved from Swine town (d and t were essentially the same in old/middle English/german).

Fact check: per Wikipedia, the name is “believed to be derived from the Old English words "swine" and "dun" meaning "pig hill" or possibly Sweyn's hill, where Sweyn is a personal name.”
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Another interesting fact about Swindon, a city I had never heard of until today.

https://www.google.com/amp/metro.co....n-6524182/amp/
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The actual link, not that weird Google Amp stuff: There's an abnormally large amount of perverts in Swindon | Metro News

Oh and that's some funny stuff. I'm guessing they probably don't get slammed with a lifetime sentence of "sex offender" just for exposing themselves. I've always thought that was kind of dumb here in the US.
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