Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Commuting
Reload this Page >

Thrown out of store with my bike (very upset)

Notices
Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

Thrown out of store with my bike (very upset)

Old 06-08-05, 03:00 PM
  #1  
Sawtooth
All Bikes All The Time
Thread Starter
 
Sawtooth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 2,343

Bikes: Giant TCR 0, Lemond Zurich, Giant NRS 1, Jamis Explorer Beater/Commuter, Peugeot converted single speed

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Today I rode 2 miles from my work to get a sandwich at this Subway/Chevron station I frequent. I do not carry a lock because I keep my bike in my office and take it everywhere with me (including that very store in the past). Today, however, the clerk tells me that there are no bikes allowed in the store. I told her that I did not have a lock with me and that the bike retails for over $3,000. She graciously offered to let me lean it against a window outside where I can still see it. I was so steamed I knew I would become abusive if I argued with her so I left.

I was dressed in nice slacks and am clearly not a security or behavioral issue for them. I just can't figure out why that had to happen. I have to go through the Chevron to get to my subway sandwich vendor. I really really like subway sandwiches so I am not sure what to do. I am thinking about calling the manager and explaining why they lost income today (assuming they even care). Ideas?
Sawtooth is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:15 PM
  #2  
Bekologist
totally louche
 
Bekologist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: A land that time forgot
Posts: 18,025

Bikes: the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Let's see, not riding a $3,000 bike for errands without a lock? Why assume you will be allowed to bring a bike inside a business, regardless of how you are dressed?
Bekologist is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:15 PM
  #3  
SasquatchSooner
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Norman Oklahoma
Posts: 15
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I kind of side with the store and clerk on this. I can see why they might not want bikes in their store. It might be an insurance issue. If that's the rule, the clerk was just doing their job. I don't think they should be expected to make exceptions because of someone's clothing.
SasquatchSooner is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:18 PM
  #4  
JohnBrooking
Commuter
 
JohnBrooking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Southern Maine
Posts: 2,568

Bikes: 2006 Giant Cypress EX (7-speed internal hub)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I could see them not wanting you to be wheeling your bike around the store, due to the risk of accidently knocking things over, hitting people, etc. Or slipping things into your panniers, if you use them. Did you happen to ask the clerk if you could leave it behind the counter, or some other safe place, while in the store? If that is agreeable to the manager, perhaps s/he could modify the store policy to allow that.
JohnBrooking is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:22 PM
  #5  
Sawtooth
All Bikes All The Time
Thread Starter
 
Sawtooth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 2,343

Bikes: Giant TCR 0, Lemond Zurich, Giant NRS 1, Jamis Explorer Beater/Commuter, Peugeot converted single speed

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Bekologist
Let's see, not riding a $3,000 bike for errands without a lock? Why assume you will be allowed to bring a bike inside a business, regardless of how you are dressed?
Would you argue that someone who had their BMW stolen while getting groceries should "not drive it for errands"? The argument that nice bikes are not to be used for common purposes is kind of like saying that **** victims who dress provocatively are partially responsible for their ****. Yes, I have had nice bikes stolen, but that does not make riding a piece of crap any more enjoyable or necessary.

I make the assumption that I am a reasonable person who will act responsibly with my bike in hand and that I am a source of income for the business, so why in the world would they want to make my patronage difficult for me? I do admit, however, that I absolutely hate being told what to do by people who assume I am cannot think for myself and act in a socially responsible manner.
Sawtooth is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:23 PM
  #6  
al-wagner
Happy old man
 
al-wagner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West coast of New England
Posts: 622

Bikes: Trek 4500 mountain bike, Trek 7500fx disk, and Trek 2200 Road bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Bikes do not belong in a store. By bring it inside you are being rude and inconsiderate of the other costumers. If you forgot your lock that is your problem not ever one else's.
al-wagner is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:24 PM
  #7  
slvoid
2-Cyl, 1/2 HP @ 90 RPM
 
slvoid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 15,762

Bikes: 04' Specialized Hardrock Sport, 03' Giant OCR2 (SOLD!), 04' Litespeed Firenze, 04' Giant OCR Touring, 07' Specialized Langster Comp

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
I can understand your frustration but I also understand that generally, bringing a bike into a store is a privilage only.
slvoid is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:33 PM
  #8  
Sawtooth
All Bikes All The Time
Thread Starter
 
Sawtooth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 2,343

Bikes: Giant TCR 0, Lemond Zurich, Giant NRS 1, Jamis Explorer Beater/Commuter, Peugeot converted single speed

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by awagner109
Bikes do not belong in a store. By bring it inside you are being rude and inconsiderate of the other costumers. If you forgot your lock that is your problem not ever one else's.
I guess I fail to see how having my bike beside me is inconveniencing anyone. I am hypersensitive about it being in anyone's way while I shop and quickly move it should I see someone needing to get by it. I agree with Slvoid that to take a bike inside is a privledge but I am not used to having that privledge denied.

I realize that a primary antisocial/sociopathic trait is to assume that you are smarter than everyone else and that the rules do not apply to you. I hope I am not going off the deep end but today I kind of feel that way. Just being honest. Most days I feel like a moron. Maybe today is kind of like my "falling down" day only I am not shooting anyone.
Sawtooth is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:38 PM
  #9  
webist
Huachuca Rider
 
webist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 4,275

Bikes: Fuji CCR1, Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Past practice gave you reason to believe your behavior was tolerated. I think you are right to feel miffed over the sudden reversal in policy. Perhaps if they'd posted the new rule with an effective date, they could have spared you the embarrassment. It is, however, someone's private property. Presumeably they have a right to make the rules; at least in those areas where the courts haven't taken charge.
__________________
Just Peddlin' Around
webist is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:46 PM
  #10  
Quickbeam
Beer is delicious!
 
Quickbeam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 549
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I agree with what some of the others here have said. While you may not have posed a threat or inconvenience to anyone by having your bike in the store, the clerk doesn't know that. If the store has a policy against bikes in the store the clerk was only doing their job by asking you to leave it outside. If you're using your bike for commuting, errands, untility purposes, the onus is on you to be prepared to deal with these situations. You can't expect others to make acceptions for you because you're unprepared.
Quickbeam is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:48 PM
  #11  
boog
Just Another Commuter
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Auburn, Wa
Posts: 205

Bikes: 2012 Specialized Tricross Sport Disc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
There is an establishment that I frequent on my way home from work, and they have made a point of telling me to park inside. I am also on a first name basis with all of the employees and the owner, and have seen them outside of work in purely social atmosheres. Basically, they're all friends of mine. Then again, they tell all bikers to park inside (yes, they are super cool there), However, this place is more of an exception then the rule. I still carry a lock when I am going there, and I park in a secure garage at work.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that you never know when you'll need your lock. Not trying to say the store owners/staff were right or wrong. But to use the BMW example, the person driving the nice car will likely lock it and set an alarm just to run in for a brief moment, much less long enough to get lunch.
boog is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:50 PM
  #12  
hobbesk
What's this button do?
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 8
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Clearly you are not getting the pitty and support that you want, so i suggest to suck it up and leave it at that.
hobbesk is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:54 PM
  #13  
interceptor
not revenge...punishment
 
interceptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 602
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 10 Posts
I would have been pissed too if they said "you can't bring the bike in the store"
BIG F***ING DEAL! It's a skinny ass little bike, not in anyone's way! It's not like it's an everyday thing!
I'm patronizing the store and it would be a great help to me if I could bring it in,get a sandwich and leave.
I don't want to hear "What if everyone did it"? That's not happening. It's a freakin' gas station sandwich store. Knocking over stuff? Give me a break, what is this guy an idiot? Don't you love how all your fellow
bikers DISAGREE with you? Let's see what happens when they face a similar situation!
GROW SOME!
interceptor is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:56 PM
  #14  
Stubacca
Senior Member
 
Stubacca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Oztraylya
Posts: 2,677

Bikes: '03 Fuji Roubaix Pro; '03 KleinGi Attitude; '06 Soma Rush; '04 Surly Cross-Check; '06 Soma Rush; '07 Scott CR1 / Chorus

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sawtooth
Would you argue that someone who had their BMW stolen while getting groceries should "not drive it for errands"?
No, but if they're not prepared to lock it that changes things.

Don't sweat it. If they won't let you wheel your bike inside, and you're not prepared to leave it outside, then just go somewhere else. Personally, I can understand stores having a policy of not allowing bikes inside the store. It is a bulky item, and is an inconvenience to others. Do you want it to be seen as a means of transportation, or a toy?
__________________
Stubacca is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 03:58 PM
  #15  
Sawtooth
All Bikes All The Time
Thread Starter
 
Sawtooth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 2,343

Bikes: Giant TCR 0, Lemond Zurich, Giant NRS 1, Jamis Explorer Beater/Commuter, Peugeot converted single speed

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by hobbesk
Clearly you are not getting the pitty and support that you want, so i suggest to suck it up and leave it at that.
Well, I guess that makes me have to question.....Do most/almost all commuters really expect to be separated from their bikes and plan accorndingly? Am I being unreasonable? I am willing to look at my underlying assumptions but truthfully there are not a lot of commuters here and most people who ride bikes as a primary source of transportation are outside the behavioral norms of society on all kinds of issues. I built my assumptions on how to conduct my commuting on my own experience, which until now has pretty much let me take my bike with me into stores.
Sawtooth is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 04:01 PM
  #16  
Sawtooth
All Bikes All The Time
Thread Starter
 
Sawtooth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 2,343

Bikes: Giant TCR 0, Lemond Zurich, Giant NRS 1, Jamis Explorer Beater/Commuter, Peugeot converted single speed

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by interceptor
I would have been pissed too if they said "you can't bring the bike in the store"
BIG F***ING DEAL! It's a skinny ass little bike, not in anyone's way! It's not like it's an everyday thing!
I'm patronizing the store and it would be a great help to me if I could bring it in,get a sandwich and leave.
I don't want to hear "What if everyone did it"? That's not happening. It's a freakin' gas station sandwich store. Knocking over stuff? Give me a break, what is this guy an idiot? Don't you love how all your fellow
bikers DISAGREE with you? Let's see what happens when they face a similar situation!
GROW SOME!
Word! That was what I was afraid I would yell at the store clerk, so I left.
Sawtooth is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 04:01 PM
  #17  
climbo
Member
 
climbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,404

Bikes: a few

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
my guess is the manager will tell you you can't bring it inside the store, either for insurance reasons or their private/safety policy. Whether or not you agree has nothing to do with it.
climbo is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 04:04 PM
  #18  
interceptor
not revenge...punishment
 
interceptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 602
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 39 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 10 Posts
No you are not being unreasonable. No big deal, go somewhere else. Like boog said
another place might say "go ahead, no big deal,thanks and have a good day"!
I appreciate you riding your bike and one more car off the road.
interceptor is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 04:09 PM
  #19  
eff-J
Man About Town
 
eff-J's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Nashville, TN, USA
Posts: 108

Bikes: '04 Dahon Speed P8; '01(?) Specialized Crossroads A1 Sport; '83 Peugeot P6 frankensteined refurb

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sawtooth
Well, I guess that makes me have to question.....Do most/almost all commuters really expect to be separated from their bikes and plan accorndingly? Am I being unreasonable?
Yes, yes, and (I'm afraid) yes.

I would no more expect to be able to bring my bike into a store than I would expect to be able to bring my dog.

If I had a dog, that is.
eff-J is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 04:13 PM
  #20  
womble
No longer in Wimbledon...
 
womble's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 867
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sawtooth
Would you argue that someone who had their BMW stolen while getting groceries should "not drive it for errands"?

Grocery shopping with a BMW is fine. But I'd expect the driver to LOCK THE DOORS after parking it. I'd also expect a cyclist to be ultimately responsible for providing his own security for his bike, instead of relying on the goodwill of a storeowner.

If it's important to you, bring it up politely with the manager and ask if it's okay to bring an expensive bike in. But keep in mind that it's a privilege and not a right. I wouldn't try to use lost income as a lever though- the profit on a single sandwich isn't going to outweigh the potential irritation to employees and other customers.
womble is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 04:18 PM
  #21  
Stubacca
Senior Member
 
Stubacca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Oztraylya
Posts: 2,677

Bikes: '03 Fuji Roubaix Pro; '03 KleinGi Attitude; '06 Soma Rush; '04 Surly Cross-Check; '06 Soma Rush; '07 Scott CR1 / Chorus

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sawtooth
Well, I guess that makes me have to question.....Do most/almost all commuters really expect to be separated from their bikes and plan accorndingly?
Yes and yes. It's my vehicle. If a store will let me take it inside then that's cool and I will, but if they won't let me take it inside then that's all fine too and I'll just lock it up outside (and sometimes I'm happy to leave it outside without locking). Carrying a mini u-lock really isn't that big of a deal.

If I ever don't have a lock (e.g. on my roadie), and they won't let me bring it in, and I don't feel it will be safe enough outside, I go somewhere else.
__________________
Stubacca is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 04:27 PM
  #22  
GrodyGeek
Displaced Yooper
 
GrodyGeek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Great White North
Posts: 99

Bikes: Atlantis, Bridgestone, Trek, Cannondale, Osell

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Well, you can politely try the wheelchair comparison. Two wheels good. No difference in the crud and stuff brought into the establishment.

Be prepared for the argument that you aren't handicapped and unlike someone in a wheelchair, you can function without the bicycle.

I firmly believe being indignant and angry gets you nothing.

Otherwise, you are probably outta luck. It is their store and they can refuse you service and it isn't really a fair beef to have you reject them for the bicycle. It is why many of us ride beaters while running errands.
GrodyGeek is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 04:30 PM
  #23  
cyclezealot
Senior Member
 
cyclezealot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Fallbrook,Calif./Palau del Vidre, France
Posts: 13,210

Bikes: Klein QP, Fuji touring, Surly Cross Check, BCH City bike

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1385 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 30 Posts
at the same time a lot of stores has the space and have been told its ok, as long as you park it out of the way..Often stores has plenty of room....A $3000 bike..Can't feel secure , well - I won't stop and spend money.
cyclezealot is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 04:33 PM
  #24  
Erick L
Lentement mais sûrement
 
Erick L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Montréal
Posts: 2,248
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
Do most/almost all commuters really expect to be separated from their bikes and plan accorndingly?
Absolutely. I've never taken my bike inside any store.
Erick L is offline  
Old 06-08-05, 04:33 PM
  #25  
Guest
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Tagged: Thread(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
I always bring a lock no matter what. You never know what's up with where you're going.

In Europe, it's not a big deal to bring your bike in a store or venue at a lot of places. But here... it's just rarely accepted.

Next time, bring a lock. Assume nothing.

Koffee
 

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.