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Old 12-15-17, 09:13 PM
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I struggle with this subject.
So do I. Yet I believe bicycles and cars can co-exist on roadways. Consideration is a two-way street (so to speak!).

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I feel if I can't do the speed limit, I need to be on the right side of the road.
Bikes are almost *never* going as fast as cars, and most laws require bikes to be to the right. In Illinois the requirement is not to be as far right as possible, but rather as far as is safe and practical. In Chicago, city ordinance permits a bicycle to occupy the entire lane if it is traveling the same speed as the cars. One time this happens (frequently) is when traffic is stopped(!).

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I also use some sidewalks. No one is walking on them.
In Chicago, it is illegal to ride on the sidewalk unless you are under 12 years of age AND you aren't in a business district (where doors that open directly onto the sidewalk).

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No wonder we are all such idiots.
Not sure what you mean. I don't feel like an idiot when I am following the rules and riding considerately of other traffic.

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I guess I believe I don't have the right to impede the flow of traffic. I also believe cyclist should ride single file when there is traffic.
Bicycles *are* traffic. Common courtesy dictates that motor traffic should not be unnecessarily impeded, but this is mutual. Single-file should be a no-brainer unless the road is wide enough. In my area, which is suburban, most road signage prohibits riding *more* than two-abreast... though I wouldn't insist on riding double if there were car traffic.

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Well I told you my belief was unpopular, but I enjoy my commute almost every day.
Your beliefs aren't unpopular... you may not be as assertive as law allows, but if you are safe and enjoying your commutes, you're doing it right!
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Maybe you have more time than I?
It only takes me 30 seconds to snap an image, and another 30 to send it in. However, it has come to my attention that unless a parking enforcement officer is right there, nothing will be done about it.

What do you mean you don't have time? Doesn't it take ages for those M. tuberculosis cultures to grow?
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Motorist like this are bullies. Bullies are cowards, they act out when they feel safe and can run away. When the cyclist caught up, the bully no longer felt safe or able to just run away. He may have even been a little smart, saw the camera and realized he should STFU.

Nothing wrong with confronting bullies, it sometimes changes their behavior towards cyclist, because they learn cyclist are not all easy targets.
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In Chicago, it is illegal to ride on the sidewalk unless you are under 12 years of age AND you aren't in a business district (where doors that open directly onto the sidewalk).
In Portland, it is legal to ride on the sidewalk, at any age, except you are in a business district (where there are doors that open directly onto the sidewalk).
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Can you change the driver? No.
Wuss.

Daily cyclist against a flabby road rager? Guaranteed he can make changes the medical textbooks don't even list yet.

Had a ****** talking big from his truck when I was walking in Dallas. Tune changed a lot once I had a good grip on his mullet. "You talk big when you're ready to run away, but your hair is staying right here until I'm ready for it to leave."

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Originally Posted by sweeks View Post
It only takes me 30 seconds to snap an image, and another 30 to send it in. However, it has come to my attention that unless a parking enforcement officer is right there, nothing will be done about it.

What do you mean you don't have time? Doesn't it take ages for those M. tuberculosis cultures to grow?
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Send the photos where?
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Send the photos where?
I'm at UIC... I send them to a friend in the Office of Sustainability who forwards them to the campus police. If they are out and about, they may swing by. I don't think many tickets are issued... just the one I personally observed... but supposedly their patterns of enforcement are guided by reports from the field.
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I'm at UIC... I send them to a friend in the Office of Sustainability who forwards them to the campus police. If they are out and about, they may swing by. I don't think many tickets are issued... just the one I personally observed... but supposedly their patterns of enforcement are guided by reports from the field.
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Well, in Europe, most of the universities are in the middle of a city without extra parking departments. That American ideal of a "campus" is quite rare over here and if I could find a member to send such photos to the city, I'm sure they would laugh and/or discard them.

The city does have an army of people writing tickets but most people stop only for a few minutes and thus escape detection. Therefore, this idea of taking photos and submitting them is really a waste of my time and probably of most BF users.
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Therefore, this idea of taking photos and submitting them is really a waste of my time and probably of most BF users.
YMMV!
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Originally Posted by sweeks View Post
YMMV!
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Like I said originally, it's a waste of time for me. We're much tighter on space where I am than Chicago. If you count the whole city of Chicago (9M ppl) we're 10 times more population dense than Chicago. About 5k/inhabitants per km2 and my district is 17k inhabitants/km2 (or 50 kppl / mi2).

Ain't got time for photos.
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Motorist like this are bullies. Bullies are cowards, they act out when they feel safe and can run away.
I have evidence to support this.

For over 10 years I've been commuting daily and running shopping errands by bike; I do about 4000 miles/year. Local geography means I have to use major arterials. I am conspicuous (high-vis colors, lights) and I take the lane when I need to for my safety.

I receive an aggressive action by a motorist (roll down window to yell, punishment pass) 4-6 times per year. So I know there are people out there like that.

But I have never had anyone come up to me in the stores where I shop to confront me. I know people can identify me because I have had people come up to ask about bike routes.

So yes, I have strong evidence that the people who do this are cowards.

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Nothing wrong with confronting bullies, it sometimes changes their behavior towards cyclist, because they learn cyclist are not all easy targets.
I haven't had any demonstrable effect on their behavior with words, and I haven't come up with any physical acts that aren't criminal. My current practice is to tell them to have a nice day and record their behavior (if I have enough information) in closecalldatabase.com. I realize that is the very much the long game, but that's where I'm at now.

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While what that driver did was very bad, the real dangerous ones are the distracted IMO.
Absolutely.

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Driving may elevate hot tempers. Didn't an article cited by someone in another thread say that people who commute by bike are more cheerful? Anger, quick temper, lack of exercise... will increase the chance of heart conditions.

I'd be thankful to that driver for acknowledging me and not hitting me.
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Sadly, I'm a cager tomorrow. From London to Frankfurt.

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Driving may elevate hot tempers. Didn't an article cited by someone in another thread say that people who commute by bike are more cheerful? Anger, quick temper, lack of exercise... will increase the chance of heart conditions.

I'd be thankful to that driver for acknowledging me and not hitting me.
Sure, thankful, but not cheerful. Getting hassled by drivers just because you're there, well, I think we deserve better than that.
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There have been many times where I've experienced people in cars who are A-holes. I used to be guilty of getting even with them. Over the years I've recounted many of my post episodic experiences and realized my outburst weren't worth it. Now, finally, I am not affected by A-hole drivers. My main rationale lies with being calm in life which is one of my main reasons for riding a bicycle.
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you can't immediately change the driver but it doesnt hurt to let him know how you feel. makes me feel better some days.
I used to tell them exactly how I felt when I would occasionally blurt out a "F*** You!". Now I just smile and say "Thanks for sharing the road". Hopefully, that keeps my blood pressure down, and makes me feel better by taking the higher road.
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Where on Earth do you live with such Neanderthals?
Looks like OP lives in Ontario CA from his profile. People in the US are getting a bad rap these days, but our northern cousins are INSANE!
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I used to tell them exactly how I felt when I would occasionally blurt out a "F*** You!". Now I just smile and say "Thanks for sharing the road". Hopefully, that keeps my blood pressure down, and makes me feel better by taking the higher road.
Cursing out drivers feels great at the moment, but usually doesn't lead to good outcomes.
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Cursing out drivers feels great at the moment, but usually doesn't lead to good outcomes.
So true!
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It only takes me 30 seconds to snap an image, and another 30 to send it in. However, it has come to my attention that unless a parking enforcement officer is right there, nothing will be done about it.

What do you mean you don't have time? Doesn't it take ages for those M. tuberculosis cultures to grow?
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The city does have an army of people writing tickets but most people stop only for a few minutes and thus escape detection. Therefore, this idea of taking photos and submitting them is really a waste of my time and probably of most BF users.
Would it be illegal to place fake parking tickets on the illegally parked cars? Just something that looks real, without actually being counterfeit. At least make them waste some time tracking it down or worrying about it.
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Stopped at a light? Come on guys, there's nothing wrong with being in the middle of the lane at a light and a few good reasons to not get over on the curb. He'll move back over soon enough.
By both (US road?) law and morality - middle of the lane is probably fine (in my country it's illegal - you must stay to the right, no more than 1 m off the kerb). But for safety and driver psychology reasons it's often not the best choice. It goes for motorcycles as well: staying to the left, or right of the lane is safer. It has happened to me in a car - stopped at a traffic light and a distracted driver runs into you from behind?!? On a two wheeled bike ti would be a more dangerous incident.

When there's no one at an intersection, I often stay about 15 m behind the "line", all the way to the right, so if any car gets to the intersection, they'll pass me and be the 1st at the intersection. Only then do I pull up right behind them. That way I get far less horns and swearing, and if someone runs the red light once our light turns green - the leading car gets it, not me. Also, staying further behind the intersection allows me to merge in time, without risking a right hook manoeuvre.

This is one of the best tutorials I've seen, covering most of the typical situation. That "strategy" has worked for me in practise:


Btw, honking and flipping the bird is fine by me - that means they've seen me. The kind ones looking at the mobiles, then apologizing for hitting you is what I'm more worried about. The only time I really get upset is when they make a move that puts me in danger, but even then I usually remain calm (most of the time it turns out they didn't see me, "normal" people, going to work, apologizing...).
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I was driving a car earlier today, waiting at a stop sign. Coming from my left was a big truck, a cement mixer or something like that. I misjudged his distance and speed and turned left in front of him. It was entirely my mistake. He gave me the finger. By the time I saw his gesture, we were past each other, and I couldn't make a "sorry" wave. There's a small difference between a boneheaded move made from misjudgment and one made from not caring or thinking. But sometimes that distinction doesn't matter. I accept his hostility, as I was totally wrong. Lesson learned, I hope.
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I was driving a car earlier today, waiting at a stop sign. Coming from my left was a big truck, a cement mixer or something like that. I misjudged his distance and speed and turned left in front of him. It was entirely my mistake. He gave me the finger. By the time I saw his gesture, we were past each other, and I couldn't make a "sorry" wave. There's a small difference between a boneheaded move made from misjudgment and one made from not caring or thinking. But sometimes that distinction doesn't matter. I accept his hostility, as I was totally wrong. Lesson learned, I hope.
i drive a van for a meals on wheels program. i am on both sides of your incident fairly often.
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