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Old 12-24-17, 11:45 AM
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You don't know what's going on in his life or in his head. You can't take it personally. Things like this get to me, but less and less over time. I don't know if it is because I am learning patience, or just getting old.

Assuming this kind of show of aggression and anger is standard operating procedure for this driver...

1) Be thankful you are not married to or work with this guy.
2) Think about what kind of misery he creates for himself and others.
3) Realize how much more satisfying and healthy it is to mash a bicycle pedal in frustration than a gas pedal.
4) Take comfort that you have his aggression and license plate on camera.

5) Watch this video of the angry British driver who looses his temper and his balance...Video clipped for brevity
This ↑↑↑↑. I don't think there's a thing we can say or do to stop incidences like the OPs to stop happening, but I've discovered (in my old age) that simply ignoring the driver, not making eye contact, and riding off - going on with our lives - diffuses 99.9% of these types of situations. Yelling or flipping off or an any other way engaging with a driver never, ever does anything positive and never, ever teaches them.
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Old 12-25-17, 11:25 AM
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I am always respectful and courteous to bikes when I am driving. When riding however, if there is an alternative like the nice groomed sidewalk, devoid of pedestrians, that's where I'll be! Even if it is illegal (which it is here) The chances of getting a ticket are slim and much easier to live with than getting hit by a distracted or irate driver. I realize that bikes have every right to be on the streets, and if that's your preference, rider be warey!
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Could you do as I have done before; note the license plate, description, direction, etc. Then get off the road somewhere where you could safely and discretely pull out your cell phone if you have one and report that there is a possible DUI and give the information, stating that you saw very erratic driving.

Leave out the fact that he tried to cut you off on your bicycle; in fact leave out the fact that you are on a bike at all. Just state that he's driving erraticaly and behaving as if he is DUI.

Many locations would take a call like this seriously; the more information you can give the better.
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Old 12-25-17, 11:48 AM
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My Fear

When stuff like this happens to me I just go nuts and start going after the driver. At 5ft 4in and 110 lbs that is not a good idea. I'm afraid one day someone is going to come out of their car after me. For now I have been lucky so far.
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When stuff like this happens to me I just go nuts and start going after the driver. At 5ft 4in and 110 lbs that is not a good idea. I'm afraid one day someone is going to come out of their car after me. For now I have been lucky so far.
It could be worse - imagine you were 6+ ft and 200+ lbs, and really injured/killed driver after chasing him and looking for a fight. Going after someone and arguing, even if they step out of the car and hit you first, is hard to justify as self defense in my country, not sure about the US.

Going into such arguments carries a high risk of being in a loose-loose situation.
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Old 12-25-17, 04:37 PM
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Next time be more courteous and stay to the right.
The following statement is amended for political correctness and so as to not hurt anyone feeling. - This is quite possibly the worst advice I have ever heard!
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Old 12-25-17, 04:54 PM
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I find that most humans have miserable capitalistic existences and that's what I usually attribute such rudeness too.

I can't expect everyone to have such an enlightened existence that I have been fortunate enough to have had.

Once I realised that, life became much easier and **** like this rolls off my back and down to the peasantry.

You are so enlightened wise one! We're not worthy! We're not worthy! It's easy to talk about things "rolling off" of you unless you live in the real world where they Don't just roll off because of some mystic existential force field. The biker ALWAYs loses to the car. Taking control of your place in the flow of traffic is not just necessary at times, it's smart riding also.
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Old 12-25-17, 05:02 PM
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Serenity Prayer, my friend. Can you change the driver? No. The road condition? No. Your attitude, your equipment, where and how you ride? Yes! Wisdom to know the difference.
More Zen.... can I say crap here? I can't say the word crap but a driver can bully a rider in traffic and he should just put up with it? No.
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Old 12-25-17, 05:08 PM
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Not a philosopher; but a professor that only dabbles in the human condition as an interesting side project.

Regardless, we'll soon be editing in/out genomic hostility with CRIPSR/Cas9.

GOD I hope you are 1st.
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Old 12-25-17, 05:10 PM
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Did you point out your camera? I imagine he would behave differently knowing he was being videoed.
Sometimes a camera will influence the situation and sometimes not. I have seen youtube vids where the camera just inflames the hostility.
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Why do people who hate cyclists post on this forum? Maybe just a troll. Reread the original post - the driver passed him close and then cut him off. You think that shows "self-restaint". I would have reported the driver to the police.
I always wondered this too, isn't there an Aggressive Driver Forum? I recently talked to a 30'ish white male that truly believed that bikes couldn't legally ride on a rode that didn't have a posted bike lane. Most drivers don't understand that I can take command of the entire lane just as a car can if I deem it necessary.
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Old 12-25-17, 05:27 PM
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The police wouldn't have done anything...unless, of course, it's a crime to flash someone the finger and then punish pass them. It's just bad behaviour; it's not a crime.
That depends on where you are riding. Crowding a rider is a ticket-able offense in many states now. 3' in Washington State and I have seen it enforced. Although I have found most police to have an attitude with bike riders.
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Old 12-25-17, 05:39 PM
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Like I said originally, it's a waste of time for me. We're much tighter on space where I am than Chicago. If you count the whole city of Chicago (9M ppl) we're 10 times more population dense than Chicago. About 5k/inhabitants per km2 and my district is 17k inhabitants/km2 (or 50 kppl / mi2).

Ain't got time for photos.
We are finding out that for decades young actors and actresses were being sexually harassed both mentally and physically by people in positions of power. They didn't "have the time" to report it either. If they had, maybe hundreds of others following them wouldn't have had the same experiences. To a biker, the car is in the position of power, trust me I say that I know. If we don't start doing the right thing nothing will ever change.
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I used to tell them exactly how I felt when I would occasionally blurt out a "F*** You!". Now I just smile and say "Thanks for sharing the road". Hopefully, that keeps my blood pressure down, and makes me feel better by taking the higher road.
Maybe better for your BP but it is bad for other riders. You willing acceptance of aggressive or ignorant driving can fortify those actions.
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Maybe better for your BP but it is bad for other riders. You willing acceptance of aggressive or ignorant driving can fortify those actions.
That is certainly possible.
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Old 12-25-17, 08:58 PM
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More Zen.... can I say crap here? I can't say the word crap but a driver can bully a rider in traffic and he should just put up with it? No.
Peace be with you.
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That depends on where you are riding. Crowding a rider is a ticket-able offense in many states now. 3' in Washington State and I have seen it enforced. Although I have found most police to have an attitude with bike riders.
Sure. We have the one-meter law here as well, but it's pretty difficult to enforce, even with video evidence.

A while ago when this law was put into effect police officers on bikes did some token patrol with a device that sounded a siren when cars passed within one meter of the cyclist. They didn't issue tickets, just a warning and an opportunity to educate. But I doubt many people are even aware of that law now.
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Sure. We have the one-meter law here as well, but it's pretty difficult to enforce, even with video evidence.

A while ago when this law was put into effect police officers on bikes did some token patrol with a device that sounded a siren when cars passed within one meter of the cyclist. They didn't issue tickets, just a warning and an opportunity to educate. But I doubt many people are even aware of that law now.
With increasing levels of bicycle traffic pretty much everywhere don't you think we should start to take control of it now? Actually, come to think of it we don't need to do anything. This will soon be a non-problem. Autonomous self-driving vehicles will correct all of this except the a-hole in the car yammering away.
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You are so enlightened wise one! We're not worthy! We're not worthy! It's easy to talk about things "rolling off" of you unless you live in the real world where they Don't just roll off because of some mystic existential force field. The biker ALWAYs loses to the car. Taking control of your place in the flow of traffic is not just necessary at times, it's smart riding also.
IMO you are both right. At least from my experience. I pay attention to proper lane positioning so I minimize chances of drivers doing dangerous things. It even reduces the number of honking and cursing if you do it right.

But there are people who are just too stressed out, and who will honk and curse. I just let it go ("smile and wave"). As long as they're shouting, they have seen me.

I've also, more than once, caught up with a driver who had made me swerve and/or brake in order to avoid getting run over. With a polite explanation of what had just happened, most are very apologetic and embarrassed - "sorry, I really didn't see you".
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The following statement is amended for political correctness and so as to not hurt anyone feeling. - This is quite possibly the worst advice I have ever heard!
Where I live and ride (in traffic), most of the time taking the lane is a safer option. However, there are streets where taking the lane is more dangerous than staying to the right.

So a blanket advice in either direction can never be the right one. Same as "how fast should I ride?" It all depends. In my city, it even depends on a day of the week, time of the day, street, speed you are riding (riding slower than 20 km/h AND taking the lane gets you in trouble on some streets, for example, while riding over 25 km/h is perfectly fine and even no horns and cursing - guess it's psychology?).
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Peace be with you.
You should go start another ebike-on-MUP thread. You seem bored.
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Like I said originally, it's a waste of time for me. We're much tighter on space where I am than Chicago. If you count the whole city of Chicago (9M ppl) we're 10 times more population dense than Chicago. About 5k/inhabitants per km2 and my district is 17k inhabitants/km2 (or 50 kppl / mi2).

Ain't got time for photos.

You're not doing it right - if the motorist is in a company vehicle, don't send the photo to PC Plod, ring the company's head office and ask to speak to their compliance officer - they'll be interested, especially if you say you'll publicize the photos/footage as well - ask me how I know that this is effective. (No, I don't care if a professional driver looses their job or is suspended from work until they attend a training course due to video footage I've provided - my life is more important than that.)
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Where I live and ride (in traffic), most of the time taking the lane is a safer option. However, there are streets where taking the lane is more dangerous than staying to the right.
In Chicago, the law says a bike can take the lane under two conditions:
1) when there is not sufficient room for both the car and the bike to coexist safely. This is pretty common since Illinois law requires the motorist to leave 3 feet of space when passing a cyclist.
2) when the cyclist is traveling at the same speed as motor traffic. This doesn't happen very often (at least for me!) when I'm riding, but does every time traffic comes to a stop for a light. At those times, I like to take the lane to keep following traffic from creeping up on my left. I immediately move to the right when traffic starts to move.

FWIW, I feel much more comfortable taking a lane when I can see what's coming up behind me, so all my bikes are equipped with rear-view mirrors.
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You're not doing it right - if the motorist is in a company vehicle, don't send the photo to PC Plod, ring the company's head office and ask to speak to their compliance officer - they'll be interested, especially if you say you'll publicize the photos/footage as well - ask me how I know that this is effective. (No, I don't care if a professional driver looses their job or is suspended from work until they attend a training course due to video footage I've provided - my life is more important than that.)
No one over here will give a ****, seriously. Many people are employed at SMEs (small/medium enterprises) and the owner(s) won't care. They won't even have a compliance officer. They SME will care if the delivery is 5 minutes late because that's what the buyer will care about. if they park like crap, no one will bat an eyelash. Competition over here is probably more fierce than what you're used to ... think NYC or Boston, if you're stateside.
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Move to a state with legal CCW? And quit trying to make idiots think like you do or have your values or sensitivities. It is like wrestling with a pig...you will get really muddy, bitten, your bike damaged, and only the pig will enjoy the game.
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