Old Fashion Pedal Power -- No More
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Old Fashion Pedal Power -- No More
Seems like E-bikes are becoming more and more prevalent I guess being an old dog I just hate to see cycling take this route, but I guess that progress
I've noticed a lot more of these "bikes" around here where I live and it seems there's at least one in all my LBS's in the area. And I see they are also becoming very popular in Europe, this latest article mentions them a lot to provide an incentive for people to ride "bikes" in Paris; I guess they know people won't be adequately incentivized with real bikes.
This latest incentive is to reduce cars in Paris, but all over Europe countries have been doing the same thing, but it's all centered around E-bikes.
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https://www.bicycling.com/culture/pa...e3195e9e5e3ecd
I've noticed a lot more of these "bikes" around here where I live and it seems there's at least one in all my LBS's in the area. And I see they are also becoming very popular in Europe, this latest article mentions them a lot to provide an incentive for people to ride "bikes" in Paris; I guess they know people won't be adequately incentivized with real bikes.
This latest incentive is to reduce cars in Paris, but all over Europe countries have been doing the same thing, but it's all centered around E-bikes.
I'm feeling old
https://www.bicycling.com/culture/pa...e3195e9e5e3ecd
Now, France’s capital city is taking things a step further. Cycling Industry News reported on Wednesday that Paris will begin to offer hefty tax incentives for residents who buy e-bikes and cargo bikes, or who otherwise ditch their cars in favor of cycling and other forms of transportation.
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I think it's a good idea. Our government gives incentives for people who buy hybrid and electric vehicles. Maybe they'll have enough sense to expand that to e-bikes too.
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Seems like E-bikes are becoming more and more prevalent I guess being an old dog I just hate to see cycling take this route, but I guess that progress
I've noticed a lot more of these "bikes" around here where I live and it seems there's at least one in all my LBS's in the area. And I see they are also becoming very popular in Europe, this latest article mentions them a lot to provide an incentive for people to ride "bikes" in Paris; I guess they know people won't be adequately incentivized with real bikes.
This latest incentive is to reduce cars in Paris, but all over Europe countries have been doing the same thing, but it's all centered around E-bikes.
I'm feeling old
https://www.bicycling.com/culture/pa...e3195e9e5e3ecd
I've noticed a lot more of these "bikes" around here where I live and it seems there's at least one in all my LBS's in the area. And I see they are also becoming very popular in Europe, this latest article mentions them a lot to provide an incentive for people to ride "bikes" in Paris; I guess they know people won't be adequately incentivized with real bikes.
This latest incentive is to reduce cars in Paris, but all over Europe countries have been doing the same thing, but it's all centered around E-bikes.
I'm feeling old
https://www.bicycling.com/culture/pa...e3195e9e5e3ecd
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhein-Main-Gebiet
Cycleways already existed in the area like these:
But now they are building ebike cycle superhighways and this has really driven up the price of the whole valley (2 bed flats are now €600-900K. ugh
Basically, I heard that quite a few people are OK with between 25 and 40km commutes each way by ebike. And the highways are maintained year round.
Sounds quite OK.
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I don't want an ebike. But I'm fine with others riding them, especially if it gets them out of cars. Maybe I'll want one, one day. The notion that it's cheating is just silly.
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Agreed. My biggest concern is safety on the MUP. My observation has been that ebike commuters may not have the bike handling skills to match the speed that their motors give them. But as long as you know how to handle your bike, enjoy.
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+1 I don't see a lot of e-bikes in my area yet, I'll take them over cars.
My fitness is always best when I'm trying to keep up with the fast people, so I would actually welcome more bikes going 20 MPH in my same general direction.
My fitness is always best when I'm trying to keep up with the fast people, so I would actually welcome more bikes going 20 MPH in my same general direction.
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I really wasn't interested when my ride was 12 miles one way, but I'm starting to become interested now that it's 25 miles one way. I'm probably going to have to pony up for a proper conversion soon, as I just can't ride that many days a week with pedal power at these distances.
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My mom lives in Germany and at almost 73 years old she runs all her errands by bike. She has a car but doesn't really like to use it since my dad passed away almost 4 years ago.
About 5 years ago she switched to an electric assist bike and she loves it. And so have many more folks her age and even younger. In central Europe for many people a bicycle is a utility vehicle. We don't have that much parking space for cars in Europe. Some shops may even have no parking at all. So walking or cycling is sometimes the only option to get the groceries. And these electric assist bikes have it made possible to keep the older and weaker folks on a bike. Hills and overpasses are no longer obstacles but can be mastered with ease now.
I am not there yet either that I want one but every cyclist is a car less on the road. No matter if is an old school pedal bike and electric assist bike.
And by the way: In Europe these electric assist bikes are limited to 25 km/h (15.6 mph). Officially the motor will not go faster.
About 5 years ago she switched to an electric assist bike and she loves it. And so have many more folks her age and even younger. In central Europe for many people a bicycle is a utility vehicle. We don't have that much parking space for cars in Europe. Some shops may even have no parking at all. So walking or cycling is sometimes the only option to get the groceries. And these electric assist bikes have it made possible to keep the older and weaker folks on a bike. Hills and overpasses are no longer obstacles but can be mastered with ease now.
I am not there yet either that I want one but every cyclist is a car less on the road. No matter if is an old school pedal bike and electric assist bike.
And by the way: In Europe these electric assist bikes are limited to 25 km/h (15.6 mph). Officially the motor will not go faster.
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Like others here, I suspect that I might someday want/need an electric-assist bike if I want to keep on riding to work and taking long overnight bike trips. However, my fear is that they will overtake pedal-powered bikes on the MUP's and Rail Trails I sometimes like to ride, and that e-bikers will develop an overblown sense of entitlement the way drivers did when automobiles started to displace horses.
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This is a big deal in certain parts of Germany, especially the Rhein Main Valley.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhein-Main-Gebiet
Cycleways already existed in the area like these:
But now they are building ebike cycle superhighways and this has really driven up the price of the whole valley (2 bed flats are now €600-900K. ugh
Basically, I heard that quite a few people are OK with between 25 and 40km commutes each way by ebike. And the highways are maintained year round.
Sounds quite OK.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhein-Main-Gebiet
Cycleways already existed in the area like these:
But now they are building ebike cycle superhighways and this has really driven up the price of the whole valley (2 bed flats are now €600-900K. ugh
Basically, I heard that quite a few people are OK with between 25 and 40km commutes each way by ebike. And the highways are maintained year round.
Sounds quite OK.
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The E-bike is just a newer, cleaner, more economical moped. Being both a cyclist and motorcycle rider, I welcome any new tech that gets more people on two wheels.
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For those that commute on regular streets they're potentially pretty neat. Especially if it is both warm and hilly.
I like bike commuting, but if an affordable drop-bar ebike was available I'd probably ride it to commute.
Unlike my motorbike, I could park an ebike in my office.
I like bike commuting, but if an affordable drop-bar ebike was available I'd probably ride it to commute.
Unlike my motorbike, I could park an ebike in my office.
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There are 2 dealerships in Folsom. One is a new front of Practical Cycle, a midtown business that had formerly styled itself a cargo and family bike seller. It makes plenty of sense when you are talking about 100+ lb of kids and milk jugs and dog food and kitty litter. But I couldn’t tell you how well their sales are going. I haven’t spied any parked in front of the Wal-Mart.
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Exactly. This bad boy has been around for a long time now, and it has pedals. As for the e-bikes being cleaner and more economical, that depends on how the electricity is generated. Those little mopeds are getting over 125mpg, which is tough to compete with.
I don't mind the e-bikes, but if you want to ride on a path you should have a very low speed limit (10mph). Otherwise you should ride on the street, in traffic, like proper scooters and motorcycles do.
I don't mind the e-bikes, but if you want to ride on a path you should have a very low speed limit (10mph). Otherwise you should ride on the street, in traffic, like proper scooters and motorcycles do.
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Yep, but even human powered bikes should avoid the path if 10-15mph is too slow.
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My mom lives in Germany and at almost 73 years old she runs all her errands by bike. She has a car but doesn't really like to use it since my dad passed away almost 4 years ago.
About 5 years ago she switched to an electric assist bike and she loves it. And so have many more folks her age and even younger. In central Europe for many people a bicycle is a utility vehicle. We don't have that much parking space for cars in Europe. Some shops may even have no parking at all. So walking or cycling is sometimes the only option to get the groceries. And these electric assist bikes have it made possible to keep the older and weaker folks on a bike. Hills and overpasses are no longer obstacles but can be mastered with ease now.
I am not there yet either that I want one but every cyclist is a car less on the road. No matter if is an old school pedal bike and electric assist bike.
And by the way: In Europe these electric assist bikes are limited to 25 km/h (15.6 mph). Officially the motor will not go faster.
About 5 years ago she switched to an electric assist bike and she loves it. And so have many more folks her age and even younger. In central Europe for many people a bicycle is a utility vehicle. We don't have that much parking space for cars in Europe. Some shops may even have no parking at all. So walking or cycling is sometimes the only option to get the groceries. And these electric assist bikes have it made possible to keep the older and weaker folks on a bike. Hills and overpasses are no longer obstacles but can be mastered with ease now.
I am not there yet either that I want one but every cyclist is a car less on the road. No matter if is an old school pedal bike and electric assist bike.
And by the way: In Europe these electric assist bikes are limited to 25 km/h (15.6 mph). Officially the motor will not go faster.
Like others here, I suspect that I might someday want/need an electric-assist bike if I want to keep on riding to work and taking long overnight bike trips. However, my fear is that they will overtake pedal-powered bikes on the MUP's and Rail Trails I sometimes like to ride, and that e-bikers will develop an overblown sense of entitlement the way drivers did when automobiles started to displace horses.
I agree... With the N. American RULES THAT IS AXACTLY WHAT IT IS. but, not with the EU RULES for E-Bikes... JMO
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Exactly. This bad boy has been around for a long time now, and it has pedals. As for the e-bikes being cleaner and more economical, that depends on how the electricity is generated. Those little mopeds are getting over 125mpg, which is tough to compete with.
I don't mind the e-bikes, but if you want to ride on a path you should have a very low speed limit (10mph). Otherwise you should ride on the street, in traffic, like proper scooters and motorcycles do.
I don't mind the e-bikes, but if you want to ride on a path you should have a very low speed limit (10mph). Otherwise you should ride on the street, in traffic, like proper scooters and motorcycles do.
The problem with E-Bikes is that 20 MPH is too slow to ride in traffic when there are alternatives, so the best/safest place for them is on the bike paths and bike lanes. That may change if speeds are increased to 30 or 40 MPH (which is probably too fast for the E-Bikes). Perhaps we'll see a split between slow speed E-Bikes and high speed E-Motorcycles.
One thing the the Italians did was increase the driving age. I don't remember exactly what it was, but perhaps between 14 and 17 or so, one could get a moped license, but not an automobile license.
If the USA did something similar with E-Bikes, it is possible we'd see more teenagers on E-Bikes, and perhaps it would hold through until later adult years. Or, it could massively backfire, and regular pedal bicycles would get shunned by the i-Bike generation.
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An e-bike going ~20mph, can usually break 500mpg equivalent energy usage. Even if you get the electricity from a coal plant, that coal plant (due to economies of scale) is still far more thermodynamically efficient than a 30 or 40 year old moped engine.
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...and it's going to be pretty hard for anything to compete with a 2-stroke for nasty exhaust!
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for my personal/brief experience with an e-bike it, enables me to commute to work more often yet still get a good workout and it is easier to hit local stores by bike than it is with my car.