Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

Wheel Sucker Rant

Reply

Old 08-09-18, 11:03 PM
  #51  
Carbonfiberboy 
just another gosling
 
Carbonfiberboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 13,850

Bikes: CoMo Speedster 2003, Trek 5200, CAAD 9, Fred 2004

Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1305 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Tape2012 View Post
That's a nice list of assumptions and expectations.

As I said I do a lot of group rides, mostly centuries so I make a conscious decision to ride with others and everything that goes with that. No problem. Mostly I enjoy riding alone.

If I am in workout mode and you came up behind me, according to your criteria I would likely be a good candidate to draft. But you have had time to observe me and make an somewhat informed decision.

But I don't know you from Adam, I can't ask for your your 'I'm qualified to decide for both of us what's safe' card. If I am alone, it's likely because I want to be alone And you expect me to be ok with you on my ass for 10 miles? I know I could just slow down or start weaving erratically or just drop you but why should I have to?

I do know that if my ex gf was riding alone on a trail and you pulled up and rode her ass without some acknowledgement that it was ok, you would likely be perceived a creep and would get a face full of bear spray.

You can't assume that everyone knows and buys in to what you are assuming without some level of communication and mutual agreement.
Here's how it really goes in the PNW on the open road. I'm riding along through the mist and gradually a yellow jacket appears in the distance. I gradually close the gap over a period of several minutes until I'm on their wheel, where I rest a bit and then go around. They don't follow and gradually disappear into the mist behind me. Or the same thing happens with a rider behind me and if we're climbing, gradually disappears into the mist in front of me. On the flat, I might draft or might not. I never draft someone I catch for more than a minute or two. Why would I do that? Same thing with those who overtake me - they go around. But if it's a paceline with only 1-2 mile/hr speed advantage, I might latch on. So this whole thing with people who appear out of nowhere to draft your gf . . . sure pepper spray 'em. That's the response isn't it? Maybe they'll go down and get badly injured, how wonderful! No one I've ever been behind has said anything about it, one way or the other. Why would they do that? So like she's going to turn around and say, "Oh nice, please sit my wheel if you would!" That's in some other reality, not this one. In the real world, no one ever says anything. We converse with our bikes, not our mouths. Which brings up a nice point: you don't really know someone until you've ridden with them because the bike brings out the real person. One can hide behind words but not from one's bike.

So I'm going to come up on someone and they're going to break their rhythm and accelerate away from me, only to find me back on their wheel after a while? Or they're going to slow down so I go around them, which I would have done anyway? Their problem, not mine. People maintain their pace. That's the reason it's their pace - it's the pace they want to ride. When a single rider passes, it's normal to come up and accelerate to reduce the exposure time to traffic. So when they sit back down, they're maybe 20' ahead. I'll let 'em go. No point burning matches to catch a faster rider who'll drop me anyway when the road tilts up. If they wanted me on, they would have dropped in right in front of me and we could have traded pulls for a while. That happens, too. We talk with our bikes.
__________________
Results matter
Carbonfiberboy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-18, 10:33 AM
  #52  
RoadKill
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Tempe, AZ
Posts: 114

Bikes: Specialized AWOL, Specialized Roubaix, Niner Air9, Turner Sultan

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Why worry about a wheelsucker? I've never seen one take out the guy in front, only seen them take out themselves and the people behind. You have virtually zero risk in what he is doing, enjoy your ride instead of fuming about the possibility this guy might hurt himself.
RoadKill is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-18, 03:28 PM
  #53  
CliffordK
Senior Member
 
CliffordK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA
Posts: 18,866
Mentioned: 112 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6210 Post(s)
I do a lot of utility cycling.

pull a trailer, and it is unlikely anybody will try to draft you.
CliffordK is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-18, 03:39 PM
  #54  
noisebeam
Al
 
noisebeam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: AZ
Posts: 14,457

Bikes: Cannondale SuperSix, Lemond Poprad. Retired: Jamis Sputnik, Centurion LeMans Fixed, Diamond Back ascent ex

Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2602 Post(s)
I drafted a tweaker couple about a year ago, lady sitting in the utility trailer pulled by lawnmower bike. She was smoking something out of a glass pipe and screaming words of encouragement to me to keep up. It made my day.
noisebeam is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-18, 04:34 PM
  #55  
rgconner
Senior Member
 
rgconner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 976

Bikes: Curtis Inglis Road, 80's Sekai touring fixie

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 386 Post(s)
Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
How many times have you had to slam on your brakes exactly?

Just let him wheel suck. What does it matter?
Not to mention I ride that same trail, there is a 15mph recommended max MPH.

Sure we all ignore it, but going the speed limit is one way to do it, or never pass when catch him. Take a break.

Personally I "wheel suck" and get "Wheel sucked" all the time. It is a beautiful trail, look at the trees and birds for a little till your blood pressure drops.

Otherwise, your name might end up on a bench, telling the world how much you loved riding the trail while you were alive.

Last edited by rgconner; 08-10-18 at 04:37 PM.
rgconner is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-18, 04:45 PM
  #56  
Colnago Mixte
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Center of Central CA
Posts: 1,046
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 527 Post(s)
It just really bothers me, that some innocent person somewhere, right at this very moment, is blissfully riding along and getting their wheel sucked, and they might not even know it.

This wheel sucking stuff has gotten so bad that truthfully, I'm about ready to give up cycling and give up the sport entirely. If I want my wheel sucked, I'll have it done it in the privacy of my own home, this bike path stuff is just sick.
Colnago Mixte is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-18, 05:45 PM
  #57  
Reynolds 
Passista
 
Reynolds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,373

Bikes: 1998 Pinarello Asolo, 1992 KHS Montaña pro, 1980 Raleigh DL-1, IGH Hybrid, IGH Utility

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 363 Post(s)
+1 Carbonfiberboy. The voice of an experienced cyclist (but I'd still rather say "No problem if I get on your wheel?" or something like that)
Reynolds is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-18, 08:08 PM
  #58  
SactoDoug
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
SactoDoug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 461

Bikes: 2010 Bottecchia CF67, Atomic Zombie High Roller

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
I have not seen him the rest of the week. In fact, I have not seen many people on the road this week. It must be all the smoke in the air.



Smoke in air at 7:33 AM.


I cannot train harder to blow by him. I am losing weight. Weight loss and speed/endurance training do not mix well. The weight loss is making me faster but not enough to see results in two weeks. 20# so far since the beginning of May.

I have decided that the next time the wheel sucker gets on me, I will pull over and let him pass. I'll see what happens from there.

I have been on group rides where emergency braking by the front rider resulted in a member breaking his collar bone. I have seen a couple riders go down when a squirrel jumped into the front wheel of the front rider. I am not a group ride. I am not training for anything. I just want to get home from work. I don't want to have to signal, point out hazards or anything else because someone I don't know decided to ride on my rear wheel. No thanks. I just want to ride and think about nothing at all. I do not want a stranger behind me and I think that is my right not to have someone sucking my wheel or tailgating me.
SactoDoug is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-18, 08:22 AM
  #59  
wolfchild
Senior Member
 
wolfchild's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Mississauga/Toronto, Ontario canada
Posts: 5,034

Bikes: I have 3 singlespeed/fixed gear bikes

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 959 Post(s)
Turn the negative experience into a positive one and use this situation to improve you own riding skills and become more comfortable around cyclists who are different from you, doing this will sharpen your senses. The only way to improve is to face situations which make you uncomfortable... Eventually your skills and fitness will improve and who knows, maybe you'll end up chasing and drafting every cyclists who crosses your path.
wolfchild is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-18, 10:19 PM
  #60  
ThermionicScott 
Hammer and tongs
 
ThermionicScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: CID
Posts: 17,271

Bikes: 1991 Bianchi Eros, 1964 Armstrong, 1988 Diamondback Ascent, 1988 Bianchi Premio, 1987 Bianchi Sport SX, 1980s Raleigh mixte (hers)

Mentioned: 51 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1573 Post(s)
BikeForums: where cyclists go to complain about things they don't have the courage to confront in real life.
__________________
Originally Posted by chandltp View Post
There's no such thing as too far.. just lack of time
Originally Posted by noglider
People in this forum are not typical.
RUSA #7498
ThermionicScott is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-18, 09:52 AM
  #61  
old's'cool 
curmudgineer
 
old's'cool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Chicago SW burbs
Posts: 4,150

Bikes: 2 many 2 fit here

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 167 Post(s)
__________________
Geoff
"There is no Fail without Try" - Yoda Simpson
old's'cool is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-18, 06:52 PM
  #62  
noglider 
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: West Village, New York City
Posts: 34,589

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1973 Raleigh Twenty, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 344 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4029 Post(s)
I might be annoyed if someone drafted off me, but it hasn't happened. Here's something even weirder. It happened a couple of weeks ago. I ride kinda-sorta fast on my daily commute, and one morning I had a stiff headwind, as I often do. I was working my way through the wind, and some guy pulls past me and then pulls right in front of me, forcing me to draft him. I have no idea what was on my mind, and I thought about what the best response was. I drafted him for a while, as he clearly had no basis to complain that I was following him too closely. Eventually, he turned off, but I was tempted to pull out, because while he reduced my effort by a lot, I wanted to go just a little faster.
__________________
Tom Reingold, [email protected]
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-18, 02:02 AM
  #63  
hardboiled718
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 479
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 56 Post(s)
^ I've had that happen to me and I find it pretty annoying. If you go for the pass, don't cut anyone off and force them to slow their speed.

I've had a few people wheelsuck on my commutes, a freewheel buzzing right behind me is a good indicator. It usually doesn't bother me too much, although I completely understand why it would bother people and agree that it puts both parties in a more dangerous position than if they were safely spaced. I'm not really a fast rider, and never ride in a kit or spds so I find it amusing when roadies try to draft off me. What frustrates me is when riders get in my peripheral and stay there, maybe they're angling better to be shielded from the wind, but I find that position with a stranger to be completely unnecessary and will usually tell them to move. either commit to passing or stay behind.
hardboiled718 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-18, 05:30 AM
  #64  
johngwheeler
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 785
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 434 Post(s)
I think I would be a bit disconcerted by a wheelsucker partially because it forces me to take their presence into account in order to ride safely, but mostly because because it is somewhat an invasion of privacy and personal space that I haven't chosen.

if someone walked closely behind you on a dark lane, you would rightly be uncomfortable, cautious or scared. I haven't heard of "cyclist muggers" but they might exist, and even if they don't, you should be able to choose how close people get to you. To have it forced upon you without an assumption that you're OK with it, is presumptuous and rude.

The matter might be slightly different on the open road when cycling for leisure or sport where you might expect to see other cyclists, but I would expect the draftee to ask if it was OK with you before latching on. Many people cycle to escape the world and other people, and simply don't want another person near them.
johngwheeler is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-18, 06:15 AM
  #65  
JonathanGennick 
Senior Member
 
JonathanGennick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Munising, Michigan, USA
Posts: 3,607

Bikes: Priority 600, Priority Continuum, Devinci Dexter

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 449 Post(s)
Originally Posted by SactoDoug View Post
I don't want to have to signal, point out hazards or anything else because someone I don't know decided to ride on my rear wheel. No thanks. I just want to ride and think about nothing at all. I do not want a stranger behind me and I think that is my right not to have someone sucking my wheel or tailgating me.
I get what you're saying. Like you, I don't want the stress of having to watch out for someone that close behind me. It's the same as tailgating in a car, really.
JonathanGennick is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-18, 11:53 AM
  #66  
chiefkurtz
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
"Oh, were you back there??"

I ask, after taking a big swig of water, and spitting out half of it.
chiefkurtz is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-18, 01:22 PM
  #67  
RidingMatthew 
Let's Ride!
 
RidingMatthew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Triad, NC USA
Posts: 1,948

Bikes: --2010 Jamis 650b1-- 2012 Motobecane Fantom CX--2016 Cervelo R2-- 2018 Salsa Journeyman 650B

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 107 Post(s)
Originally Posted by chiefkurtz View Post
I ask, after taking a big swig of water, and spitting out half of it.
haha
__________________
"Work to eat. Eat to live. Live to bike. Bike to work." --Anonymous ||| "late & alive > early & dead." ~Steely Dan
RidingMatthew is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-18, 02:00 PM
  #68  
Colnago Mixte
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Center of Central CA
Posts: 1,046
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 527 Post(s)
Smart Aleck Wheelsucker's response:

"Oh, you must suck a lot of wheels too, may I ask what you're rinsing with?"
Colnago Mixte is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-18, 09:27 PM
  #69  
Reynolds 
Passista
 
Reynolds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,373

Bikes: 1998 Pinarello Asolo, 1992 KHS Montaña pro, 1980 Raleigh DL-1, IGH Hybrid, IGH Utility

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 363 Post(s)
Originally Posted by johngwheeler View Post
if someone walked closely behind you on a dark lane, you would rightly be uncomfortable, cautious or scared. I haven't heard of "cyclist muggers" but they might exist, and even if they don't, you should be able to choose how close people get to you.
One would think a "cyclist mugger" would rather lure you to draft him and then make you fall...
Reynolds is offline  
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service