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Old 05-14-19, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Well, we'll let others be the judge of that, won't we.
I'm cool with that. Always have been.
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Old 05-14-19, 07:08 AM
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Rolling resistance makes enough difference to me that I do a seasonal tire swap, with the nicer easy rolling tires on during the pleasant months and the durable slower tires in the winter when I give up on going faster anyway.

The weight difference on my two main commuting bikes is around 10 pounds. For me it's less impact on commutes than the tires are. I'm going by "feel" here, but I believe that the numbers would also bear me out if we wanted to go that far.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
I don't live in Europe, and I suspect most members here on BF do not live in Europe either. In fact, most of the BF members live in North America, so when someone who doesn't live here constantly makes fun of cycling culture here, well, it just makes him sound like a self-righteous DB. Just saying

It's a common theme with that guy. Anyone who doesn't live life the way he deems appropriate is beneath him.

But don't put too much stock into it. He's just trying to get the thread locked.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
The weight difference on my two main commuting bikes is around 10 pounds. For me it's less impact on commutes than the tires are. I'm going by "feel" here, but I believe that the numbers would also bear me out if we wanted to go that far.
I'm with you. I'm of the camp that 'how it feels' is more important than what the actual numbers say.

It doesn't matter if you're setting land speed records if you're miserable riding.

And it doesn't matter if you're getting passed by kids on tricycles if you're enjoying yourself.
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Old 05-14-19, 08:28 AM
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Also, if you read my first response, I gave a very detailed response about what is essential on a short-ride urban car replacement commuter. hint: rolling resistance is irrelevant, which is your first question. I provided extra detail after that.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Well, we'll let others be the judge of that, won't we.
That guy has problems...
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
You speak the truth.

Spandex Warriors squeezing out every W commuting to work are funny to watch. Especially, when that short commute is their only training.

The only thing funnier than that is watching the motorists erupt in anger at them.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ational-people

Meanwhile, no one bothers an unpretentious father commuting to work on a FGSS with marathons.
Or, like me, an unpretentious father commuting on a FGSS with decent rolling tires. Even if I AM getting there twice as fast as those lazy European types ...
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Old 05-15-19, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Or, like me, an unpretentious father commuting on a FGSS with decent rolling tires. Even if I AM getting there twice as fast as those lazy European types ...
To be fair, I have one Gatorskin in the front and a Marathon Original in the rear. Over a short distance (which is the point of this thread), I'll take the flat protection of the time saved rolling.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
You speak the truth.

Spandex Warriors squeezing out every W commuting to work are funny to watch. Especially, when that short commute is their only training.

The only thing funnier than that is watching the motorists erupt in anger at them.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ational-people

Meanwhile, no one bothers an unpretentious father commuting to work on a FGSS with marathons.
Motorists kill cyclists regardless of what they’re wearing. Your delusion that motorists somehow treat cyclists wearing drab loose fitting clothes better is absurd. The rednecks out there don’t like anyone that slows them down whether it’s a cyclist wearing a 3 piece suit or another vehicle driving too slowly.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
I think you need to re-read what I wrote and/or re-read the article, if you haven't already. (Or work on reading comprehension)

(Or all three, possibly, but that's a different discussion for another day.)

There are no delusions from my side, only empirical evidence, especially from Oz.

I stated that MAMILs cause issues for all cyclists and they're the mostly likely ones to cause issues, especially when riding in packs and skirting cycling/road traffic laws.

That, IN TURN, makes it harder for me, as a non-MAMIL to cycle when I follow all laws, because the MAMILs "have given us a bad name," as they say in American English. All cyclists seem the same to a motorist once they've been irritated by a MAMIL.

I didn't mention Rednecks (those don't exist in Europe as we don't get enough sun) and I think that you should (re-)read what I've posted as it has nothing to do with the direction you're attempting to bend this conversation in.
I read your comments and I still think you’re delusional. I understand you cycle to work and not recreationaly and you have a disdain for those who choose to cycle for fun rather than just getting to work. The delusion is that most cyclists commuting don’t wear Lycra and motorists still get annoyed. It’s ridiculous to assume that only Lycra clad cyclists exhibit behaviour that annoys motorists.

The only ‘evidence’ you provided was from a location with likely the highest percentage of figurative and literal ‘rednecks’. That hasn’t been my observation in Vancouver, the west coast of USA or Europe where the vast (vaster in Europe) majority of drivers are respectful and supportive of cyclists clad in Lycra or blue jeans.
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
I read your comments and I still think you’re delusional. I understand you cycle to work and not recreationaly and you have a disdain for those who choose to cycle for fun rather than just getting to work. The delusion is that most cyclists commuting don’t wear Lycra and motorists still get annoyed. It’s ridiculous to assume that only Lycra clad cyclists exhibit behaviour that annoys motorists.

The only ‘evidence’ you provided was from a location with likely the highest percentage of figurative and literal ‘rednecks’. That hasn’t been my observation in Vancouver, the west coast of USA or Europe where the vast (vaster in Europe) majority of drivers are respectful and supportive of cyclists clad in Lycra or blue jeans.
No one here wears "blue jeans" here except Americans on holiday.

Thanks for calling me delusional.

This is a commuting forum. The sport forums are here: https://www.bikeforums.net/racer-s-forum/

I've provided more "evidence" than anyone else in this thread.

Thanks for being antagonistic and distracting.

Have a nice early evening.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
Have a nice early evening.
Likewise.
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Narcissitic, self-indulgent, MAMIL
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
It's morning here.

(Also, I didn't say that you were a MAMIL. Have you considered reading comprehension instruction?)
Are you implying I’m past middle aged?

You’ve got a thin skin for someone who is accustomed to throwing insults...
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
Thanks for being antagonistic and distracting.
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Says the guy who came into a tire thread and starting talking about how he hates cyclists who commute lycra.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
Anything but thin-skinned. Insults are in the eye of the beholder.

I'm simply direct, honest and factual. MAMIL isn't an insult, unless one takes it as an insult, and is already embedded in the English vernacular.

I apologise if you haven't been introduced to this term previously here it is located in the Oxford Dictionary:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/mamil

Please notice how the vulgar or insult tags are absent.
Perhaps not, but you're use of the term in the context of where it first appeared clearly is insulting, and you're the naive one if you think that no one is going to take exception to it.

It seems like others have judged.
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Perhaps not, but you're use of the term in the context of where it first appeared clearly is insulting, and you're the naive one if you think that no one is going to take exception to it.

It seems like others have judged.
It might be useful for you to relax and if you would prefer to participate in rational discourse, please don't hesitate to let me know.
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Originally Posted by acidfast7 View Post
It might be useful for you to relax and if you would prefer to participate in rational discourse, please don't hesitate to let me know.
If by relax you mean put on a pair of Birkenstocks and ride a FGSS, yeah, not gonna happen.

And again, I chuckled at your use of the phrase rational discourse.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
If by relax you mean put on a pair of Birkenstocks and ride a FGSS, yeah, not gonna happen.

And again, I chuckled at your use of the phrase rational discourse.
Again, please only respond to me, if you'd prefer to participate in rational discourse rather than trolling, as the previous statement is tantamount to trolling/spam.
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Mr. Acidfast7 please leave the thread. Do not post further in this thread.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Says the guy who came into a tire thread and starting talking about how he hates cyclists who commute lycra.
That's all he does is talks about how he hates everyone who's different than he is.

I mean who goes to a message board that's 90% Americans and makes half his posts about how America sucks? Talk about an inferiority complex.

I muted that guy like 2 months ago and it make my Bikeforums experience so much better. I got curious and peaked at one of his posts in that time and instantly regretted it. Just mute the guy and move on. Let him have his little hate filled rants by himself.

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Ok guys the disruption has been cleaned up, mostly, let's return to the original topic and put the distractions behind us.
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Ok guys the disruption has been cleaned up, mostly, let's return to the original topic and put the distractions behind us.
What tires should I use to return to the original topic about tires?

Do I need the ones will the least rolling resistance? Or super knobbies to give traction through all the BS?
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Ride on, folks, on whatever tires you have.
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Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Ride on, folks, on whatever tires you have.
On that note....

The actual tire related responses in this thread got me curious. So I pulled my Michelin Proteks and put the Specialized Trigger Sports back on my hybrid yesterday just to play around.

The Proteks were definitely faster tires. I lost 1mph on each segment of my ride today and couldn't touch my top speed on my long downhill run. And I was really pushing it today when on the Proteks I don't feel like I'm really asserting myself on the pedals. So no question in my mind, the Triggers are a slower tire. (This backs up the same experience I had when I put the Proteks on originally. Instantly I was going faster with less effort)

However...the ride was noticeably more comfortable on the Triggers. They have a much thinner sidewall. The Protek sidewalls are much thicker and tougher. And they are much less forgiving to road vibration and bumps. I don't ride long distances on this bike but I don't think I'd want to go super far on those Proteks.

So in conclusion....

Tires are complicated.

Do you want speed, ride quality, or puncture protection? Pick your favorite and sacrifice the other 2.

Why can't someone make a tire that delivers all 3?

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Also...I came to the fully scientific conclusion (peer reviewed study to be released shortly) that over a short ride...none of it matters.

My Triggers required more pedal power. I noticed it.

But I wasn't late to work nor did I sweat more.

I can still walk now that I'm at my office. I do not require any reconstructive leg surgery.
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