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Old 12-19-19, 06:08 PM
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Build I Dreamed up on My Lunch Break

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NOTE: If this ever comes to fruition, I fully intend to patronize my LBS for most of these parts - I just didn't think it would be fair to call them up and look up price and availability for a build which only exists in my mind for the time being

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This is bonkers. All it needs is a Lauf fork
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
This is bonkers. All it needs is a Lauf fork
that’s your opinion and it happens to be wrong.

Also, I wouldn’t run a lauf fork if my life depended on it (figuratively)
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If you are dreaming, go with the ti spaceframe with truss fork.
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Looks like an awesome bike. How soon til you post pic's.
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Originally Posted by alan s View Post
If you are dreaming, go with the ti spaceframe with truss fork.
You're not wrong... Not sure if I love the truss fork, I fly with my bike occasionally. Also, the UC fork has the neat bosses to screw stuff to.

I rode one of Jeff Jone's personal Ti SF/TF builds when I was down there. He had it set up as a single speed with carbon rims. It was lighter than my CX bike.
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Looks like an awesome bike. How soon til you post pic's.
About 14 days after I can convince my wife that this is a wise idea.
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impressed you dream in Excel ...
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Of course I do. I am a CPA.
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I'm currently riding a 27.5+ MTB for commuting, and that informs my wrong opinion that your list is bonkers.

The stock build on the frame has one choice that I wouldn't make and one corner cut that I don't like. The choice is cable brakes, because touring guys have bad dreams about leaks. The corner cut is the M6000 shifter and cassette (they could have been SLX and Sunrace 11x11-46, which would work fine with that same RD). It has otherwise some really good parts - good hubs, rims, and tires, the famous handlebar. The seat and post are fine, nothing special. And it's all assembled by people who do it for a living.

It's not in the DNA of a plus bike to be light weight. The rims are wide, the tires are wide, the frame you chose is steel.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
I'm currently riding a 27.5+ MTB for commuting, and that informs my wrong opinion that your list is bonkers.

The stock build on the frame has one choice that I wouldn't make and one corner cut that I don't like. The choice is cable brakes, because touring guys have bad dreams about leaks. The corner cut is the M6000 shifter and cassette (they could have been SLX and Sunrace 11x11-46, which would work fine with that same RD). It has otherwise some really good parts - good hubs, rims, and tires, the famous handlebar. The seat and post are fine, nothing special. And it's all assembled by people who do it for a living.

It's not in the DNA of a plus bike to be light weight. The rims are wide, the tires are wide, the frame you chose is steel.
I get it, I deserve what I get for sharing my ideas on the internet..

Are you saying the complete bike offered for this frame at $1799+$95 shipping is better, save some cheap drivetrain components?
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I like it.

Tell us more about the wheels.
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I like it.

Tell us more about the wheels.
Thanks!

They're a custom build - Carbon fiber no-name rims (50mm OD, 45mm ID, 27.5", so basically ISO 45x584 rims made of CF) laced to DT Swiss hubs and pretty standard freehub body. Estimated weight is about 1850 grams for the set. The company is based in asia and they can build rims to just about any spec you want. They ship with free rim tape and valve stems. They seem pretty committed to quality in that they log the spoke tension measurements and send them to you with the finished build.

I am all about buying local but a comparable set of carbon rims would be around $1500 by my estimation if I would source it from our local wheelbuilder here in Spokane (who does amazing work by the way).

Kinda a pipe dream for now, I am having SO much fun riding my home-built Ridley (which I would keep and fly it with me on my out of town business trips) but it would be awesome to have a bike with just a LITTLE more capability so when my brother in law calls and wants to hit up some single tracks on a Sunday AM I can join him and keep up and be safe doing so. My stretch goal would be to source a 26" fat wheelset and outfit it with an identical cassette and studded fat tires so that I would have a TRUE, 365 day/year PNW commuter just by swapping out the wheels which is easy.
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
I'm currently riding a 27.5+ MTB for commuting, and that informs my wrong opinion that your list is bonkers.

The stock build on the frame has one choice that I wouldn't make and one corner cut that I don't like. The choice is cable brakes, because touring guys have bad dreams about leaks. The corner cut is the M6000 shifter and cassette (they could have been SLX and Sunrace 11x11-46, which would work fine with that same RD). It has otherwise some really good parts - good hubs, rims, and tires, the famous handlebar. The seat and post are fine, nothing special. And it's all assembled by people who do it for a living.

It's not in the DNA of a plus bike to be light weight. The rims are wide, the tires are wide, the frame you chose is steel.
For $250 more you can get the 12sp NX Eagle group, 29" rims with the option of Vee Rubber Speedster tires too... haven't ruled that one out but I would definitely go with a longer stem on the small frame for the LWB after test riding. Still cable pull brake calipers though......
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There's a note somewhere on their site they will build a bike for you, as long as it also suits them... you lose the volume discount of the complete, I'm sure.

Anyhow, I don't think their standard build is better than yours. Obviously everything in yours is a level up, or a step in another direction. What I see in your build is just that things don't seem matched. You have a pretty heavy steel touring frame that comes at a premium due to its provenance and a really great sales pitch (compare it to a Pine Mountain or ECR). But then to build it up you are not specifying Velocity rims and King hubs, to keep with the theme, but rather slightly-gray-market, all-mountain Chinese carbon. And they're never going to be weight weenie XC light because they're 2x wider. You've picked a really heavy drive train to go on your light wheels, but one nice thing about the Swiss hubs is you can convert upward and not just downward. For my bike putting on an xD driver for an XO1 cassette would require a total hub change. And finally, about the cheapest oil brakes you can find.

Some other things are just a matter of preference. I find the idea of plus slicks a little strange. I want my MTB to have knobby tires, and a knobbier and softer one in the front than the rear. For slicks I'd go 29er wheels and hybrid sized tires. I'd go with Kalloy Uno post and stem. Carbon bike parts on Amazon are a weird wonderland indeed.
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There's a note somewhere on their site they will build a bike for you, as long as it also suits them... you lose the volume discount of the complete, I'm sure.

Anyhow, I don't think their standard build is better than yours. Obviously everything in yours is a level up, or a step in another direction. What I see in your build is just that things don't seem matched. You have a pretty heavy steel touring frame that comes at a premium due to its provenance and a really great sales pitch (compare it to a Pine Mountain or ECR).
1. Thanks so much (sincerely) for your input. That helps as my ideas take shape!
2. I have thought about going the Jeff Jones custom-build route but part of the cool part for me is building it myself, I enjoy it but I may just get a complete for the price diff.
3. On the frame itself - I understand it's heafty but I have ridden one and I wouldn't box it in as a touring frame. It rides EXTREMELY light. Not sure how to articulate it. All the other frames I have looked are suspension-specific or they're made for drop bars, I considered taking a Rocky Mountain Solo 30 and putting 27.5x23.5 tires on it and Jones bars but the price would come out above a Jones Plus SWB Complete. I actually think these bikes are a good value, conceding that building your own bike 1 piece at a time is expensive way to go.
4. Brakes - I literally know nothing about disc brakes. I am running cantis. I want discs not so I can stop but so that I have a wider range of rim widths and neater tires to choose from.
5. No one caught that I was forgetting a headset! Kinda important maybe...
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SRAM NX Eagle
You mis-spelled Shimano XT/SLX 12-speed (although I would use SLX or XT 11-speed).
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You mis-spelled Shimano XT/SLX 12-speed (although I would use SLX or XT 11-speed).
But, but, but.... SRAM is all the guys talk about in the parking lot!!! I want STREET CRED DAMMIT. Joking, just seemed like a lot of bang for my buck.

(Currently running Shimano ZEE R/D and shifter with a 10sp Deore cassette on my every day 1x setup and LOVING it)

Shimano, I feel, is the Honda of components - no always the sexiest but very reliable and works well.

What do you know about BOX Components? They have some nifty drivetrains although I've heard their trigger shifters are somewhat unorthodox.....
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I noticed you didn’t have a headset or seatpost binder, but didn’t want to ruin your dream. Also, might want to throw a couple tubes in there if you plan to inflate your tires, or sealant if going tubeless. Anyway, I’d go with Shimano SLX or XT over anything SRAM. Much better, IMHO.

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I'm a big fan of Jeff Jones. We assembled a stock, complete Jones Plus LWB at our shop not long ago for an old friend and customer, it was cool to finally see a Jones bike in person. I own a first gen Surly Krampus (the first "plus' bike), and I love to see the passion Jeff Jones has for the 29+ platform. I see that you have chosen a 27.5+ build, and I think that's cool, too. 27.5+ has definitely caught on in the marketplace more than 29+; if nothing else, tire choice is better in the 27.5+ size. I've done a lot of different types of riding on my Krampus the last few years (general mtbing, commuting, bikepacking, and mtb racing in endurance events), and I love that Jeff Jones is so passionate about the 29+ versatility, too.

If you do build this bike, I think you will love it.
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Some headset spacers while you’re at it. And a bleed kit if you need to shorten the hoses. And... well you can see how this goes
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I noticed you didn’t have a headset or seatpost binder, but didn’t want to ruin your dream. Also, might want to throw a couple tubes in there if you plan to inflate your tires, or sealant if going tubeless. Anyway, I’d go with Shimano SLX or XT over anything SRAM. Much better, IMHO.
haha good catch!

i have a post on there but no headset.

i have a bottle of orange seal in the garage but now that you mention probably not enough to those big tires! Thanks for the advice on the components. I have always had Shimano stuff. Not sure why change now...
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I'm a big fan of Jeff Jones. We assembled a stock, complete Jones Plus LWB at our shop not long ago for an old friend and customer, it was cool to finally see a Jones bike in person. I own a first gen Surly Krampus (the first "plus' bike), and I love to see the passion Jeff Jones has for the 29+ platform. I see that you have chosen a 27.5+ build, and I think that's cool, too. 27.5+ has definitely caught on in the marketplace more than 29+; if nothing else, tire choice is better in the 27.5+ size. I've done a lot of different types of riding on my Krampus the last few years (general mtbing, commuting, bikepacking, and mtb racing in endurance events), and I love that Jeff Jones is so passionate about the 29+ versatility, too.

If you do build this bike, I think you will love it.
thanks and I haven’t ruled out a 29+ LWB frame. I rode both and met Jeff and spent a morning discussing bikes with him. Super passionate
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Some headset spacers while you’re at it. And a bleed kit if you need to shorten the hoses. And... well you can see how this goes
starting to sound like my last build..... lol
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I'd be afraid of jinxing myself paying that much for a commuter. I feel much more secure with parts I am not attached to (for the most part) on a used frame I picked up for less than $100. It also happens that many of the (Japanese and other) frames of early '80s accommodated fix gears, big 700c tires and fenders, making them very good all weather bikes.

Of course, those frames do not support disc brakes. I graduated to rim brakes that work well plus I learned the routine for riding in the wet and stopping 50 years ago when you really had to plan ahead.

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