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Old 08-15-05, 09:28 AM
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i go by about 4 elementary schools, 1 high school, and 2 catholic schools on my commute. all the public schools opened today.

i like commuting near schools, as it slows cars down and keeps people careful, but if i leave work early, like 3:30, it's major door zone and general auto unpredictability around the schools...

but it's funny to see the fields and playgrounds desolate all summer, then come to life with people...

also have to start holding my breath while passing school busses - when will they convert those to hybrid anyway?
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Old 08-15-05, 11:27 AM
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The high school that I commute by is a nightmare -- especially in the afternoon when all the 16 and 17 year old drivers are peeling out of the parking lot.

My worst experience with driver unpredictability is around fast food restaurants. Never get between a cager and his/her sooper value meal!
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Old 08-15-05, 11:30 AM
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The ones I pass on my commute are regular SUV-hives. Danger, danger, danger. And peril, there's always peril. Does NO kid walk to school any more?
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Old 08-15-05, 11:34 AM
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Hmmm..... As a just-starting commuter, I hadn't yet considered school buses. In NC, it's a big crime to pass a stopped school bus if you're driving a car. It's less clear to me how the law regards a bicycle.

North Carolina General Statute 20-217

The title of the statute is: " 20‑217. Motor vehicles to stop for properly marked and designated school buses in certain instances; evidence of identity of driver." (emphasis mine)

The first line of the statutes starts: "The driver of any vehicle upon approaching from any direction..." (again, emphasis mine)

It would appear that this statute is directed only at motor vehicles. But NC defines a bicycle as a vehicle with all the rights and resposibilities thereof, and the text of the statute says "any vehicle."

Safety and prudence would suggest that you should stop (or at least slow to a crawl), but I wonder how it would go in court if you chose to pass a stopped school bus and were cited. The law seems ambiguous to me. But then, that's why IANAL.... ;-)
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I pass a couple of elementary schools, on my commute. No problems there. The only problem I've had was going past Allen High School. Usually I'm going the other way, but on Wednesday, my wife and kiddos were at the public pool near the HS.
Anyhoo, there were a couple of teenagers waiting to come out of the HS, in a jeep. I gave them an appreciative nod for not pulling out in front of me and as I got about six feet past them, a four inch bolt, (nut and washer attached) nailed me in the back. I stopped and turned to hear them yell something incomprehensible as they peeled out onto the street. I have to say this rattled me a bit. I know it was just a random act, but I can now feel myself tense up when passing cars at side streets.
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Old 08-15-05, 12:26 PM
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i've only run into passing stopped school bus a few times in the two years i've commuted. i've stopped both times. should definetely stop when behind a stopped school bus, as kids might be crossing the street to the left in front of the bus. although i might pull up NEXT to the bus and stop, so i can get ahead of them and not suck up fumes)

i also go by two day care centers, which are busy all year round. well mostly just noisy, but i always watch for the "parked SUV making a 180 from the curb" (when they want to head the opposite way the arrived from)

i always wonder why what recourse neighbors have (non covenant), if a owner of a house decided to open up a day care center. living with kid free neighbors in my townhome i could never get used to all the shreiking ..

but one of them has a really cool playground. it's in my 7th commute pic (any excuse to show them off

https://tinyurl.com/8fefe
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Old 08-15-05, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MMACH 5
I pass a couple of elementary schools, on my commute. No problems there. The only problem I've had was going past Allen High School. Usually I'm going the other way, but on Wednesday, my wife and kiddos were at the public pool near the HS.
Anyhoo, there were a couple of teenagers waiting to come out of the HS, in a jeep. I gave them an appreciative nod for not pulling out in front of me and as I got about six feet past them, a four inch bolt, (nut and washer attached) nailed me in the back. I stopped and turned to hear them yell something incomprehensible as they peeled out onto the street. I have to say this rattled me a bit. I know it was just a random act, but I can now feel myself tense up when passing cars at side streets.
i would:

1 get plate #/description of cars
2 collect evidence
3 file police report (maybe next day when can they return)
4 insist on assault charges
5 if police won't file assault charges, take them to small claims court*

*i'd ask for $100 + court costs. point is to GET them to court. and hopefully their parents would be ashamed and embarrased enough to punish them as well.

and nothing like hiring a police office to serve a ****head kid papers when their parents are home

that's assuming the parents care, which too many don't.
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Old 08-15-05, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesdenver
i would:

1 get plate #/description of cars
2 collect evidence
3 file police report (maybe next day when can they return)
4 insist on assault charges
5 if police won't file assault charges, take them to small claims court*

*i'd ask for $100 + court costs. point is to GET them to court. and hopefully their parents would be ashamed and embarrased enough to punish them as well.

and nothing like hiring a police office to serve a ****head kid papers when their parents are home

that's assuming the parents care, which too many don't.
I agree with this. The high schools in our area require students to get parking permits. It will not be difficult to track down the vehicle and hold the miscreants accountable. Following through on acts such as this is how we teach young people that there are consequences for their actions.

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Old 08-15-05, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesdenver
i would:

1 get plate #/description of cars
2 collect evidence
3 file police report (maybe next day when can they return)
4 insist on assault charges
5 if police won't file assault charges, take them to small claims court*

*i'd ask for $100 + court costs. point is to GET them to court. and hopefully their parents would be ashamed and embarrased enough to punish them as well.

and nothing like hiring a police office to serve a ****head kid papers when their parents are home

that's assuming the parents care, which too many don't.
Originally Posted by Longhorn
I agree with this. The high schools in our area require students to get parking permits. It will not be difficult to track down the vehicle and hold the miscreants accountable. Following through on acts such as this is how we teach young people that their are consequences for their actions.
I'm right there with both of you. I only wish that, at the time, I had the wherewithall to get their plates. When it first hit me, I thought something had flown up from my back wheel. Then I saw the bolt skittering out into the street. That's when I stopped and looked back. It was their yelling and peeling out that verified what had occured. This is the first time in my adult life, that I've ever been assaulted. I will know how to handle it, next time.
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Old 08-15-05, 01:15 PM
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I wonder how many of us are getting zapped by radar when going thru school zones? You know the cops sitting there on their fat arses can't resist clocking the cyclists they see.
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I'd still notify the school as they may be able to identify the vehicle without the license number. Even if the matter can't be taken to the police, there's a chance the principal will call the students in for a chat. You never know -- maybe something like this has happened before or will happen again and your reporting of the incident helps build a case against these delinquents.

So glad you weren't hurt!
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Originally Posted by Longhorn
I'd still notify the school as they may be able to identify the vehicle without the license number. Even if the matter can't be taken to the police, there's a chance the principal will call the students in for a chat. You never know -- maybe something like this has happened before or will happen again and your reporting of the incident helps build a case against these delinquents.

So glad you weren't hurt!

Thanks.
I will do that.
I do have a discription of the vehicle and its driver.
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I have one school on my commute. Parents fill up the bike lane with SUVs and lurch in and out of parking spots unpredictably. I take the lane to make myself visible, but I've had numerous close calls and figure it's only a matter of time before some stressed out mom wacks me.
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Old 08-18-05, 11:01 PM
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I bike to my tiny private high school every day and I pass a big public high school on the way-I can't count the number of times I've almost been doored, runover, or clipped by fat parents in their stupid gas-guzzling SUVs.
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Old 08-19-05, 05:54 AM
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School started on Monday (8/15) and there's a middle school two blocks from my house. The traffic is awful. Right now it's one of the most dangerous parts of my commute. All those soccer moms dropping off the kiddies and the mom or dad dropping of junior before heading off to work. Many of these kids live less than 3/4 of a mile from the school. What happened to walking to school? Then all these ****ing cars wouldn't be screwing with the beginning of my commute.
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A U.K. friend of mine has concluded that human children must have been replaced by body snatcher children at some point 10-20 years ago, and this new species is allergic to both water and exercise, because they must be shutted 1/4 mile from their homes to the schools in large vehicles.

Get this: a friend's kid missed the bus last year, she made him walk. It's about 3/4 mile, in a small town, only one semi-major road (2 lanes with turn lanes) to cross, and there's a light. She got called into school for child endangerment; kids aren't ALLOWED to walk to school anymore. Apparently they can't cycle either; there aren't even any bike racks around the schools.

No wonder kids are turning into fat asses.
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Old 08-19-05, 12:38 PM
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I just started riding my kid to school (kindergarten) this week. He's behind me on a trail-a-bike. We ride to the elementary school 2 miles away. I had expected much more traffic in the morning and afternoon than what I actually see. In fact, my main problem has been crossingguards who have no clue how to deal with us. They make all the kids get off their bikes and walk across the intersections (usually 4-way stop signs), which is fine, but one of them yelled at me when I was about to do a proper, "VC style" left hand turn in one of these. She told me I had to go into the curb, wait and cross. I just shook my head at her. Another one wanted me to wait for her stop sign to go up, and then cross with all the kids. This confused the hell out of the drivers in that intersection, because they were waiting for me to cross on my turn. So now I just ride like I always do, take my turn when it's my turn...
In fact, within the last couple of streets from the school I see plenty of adults and kids walking their bikes the rest of the way. At least they're not driving.
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Originally Posted by jamesdenver
i go by about 4 elementary schools, 1 high school, and 2 catholic schools on my commute. all the public schools opened today.
I haven't thought about this, I pass right in front of an elementary school during the last 1-2 miles of my commute. The school I pass isn't in session yet.
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My commute takes me down residential streets, major arterials (five lane), a divided four lane highway and a two lane highway (with paved shoulders). Now I'm a hard core VC rider & I'm even a LCI.

And I firmly believe the most hazardous part of my route is past a small, Catholic school at the edge of my neighborhood. Yuppie SUV pilots will look straight at me and pull right out in front of me. And look hurt & confused when I raise a fuss.

The second worst part is when mass is letting out at the associated church. I guess the church goers are so full of God & piety they can't wait to get the hell outta there.
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I moved a month ago and now I pass a elementary school right when its getting out for the day. Lots of cars and moms. I had one lady look right at me before she started to cross the street but decided to cross anyway like I didnt mater and I had to swerve to not hit her.
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