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Old 11-11-05, 04:39 PM
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Clipless Shoes Are Cold!

Today I found out what people mean when they say clipless pedals are colder than normal shoes. This morning it was 29 deg F when I left. I had two pairs of socks on: an inner wicking layer and a medium weight wool layer. I have an hour and 15 minute commute and did my feet ever get cold. I am from Minnesota/Wisconsin and use to the cold but I did not expect my feet to get so cold at that temp. It felt like it was 5 - 10 deg F. Apparently the whole bottom of the shoe is metal, and not just the cleat. I see I am going to use my Thinsulated socks from now on and then probably electric socks when it gets colder.
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One word: Booties.
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Even just toe warmers will do. You can also insulate where the cleat comes through the sole...a little saran wrap under the liner works for me. Make sure your shoes fit loose enough with your extra socks so you can move your toes around to help keep the blood circulating too.
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Originally Posted by Daily Commute
One word: Booties.
There is no substitute -- these things keep out wind, water, etc while storing heat. Wearing 2 pairs of socks can cause your feet to freeze if your shoes are too tight.

One of my buddies swears by sandals in the winter -- you can wear as many (and as thick socks) as you like. If you wear microfleece socks and booties, your feet will be plenty warm after 1 hr 15 min in 29 degree weather.
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Old 11-11-05, 06:32 PM
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Having been clipless barely a week, and it was 37 degrees out this morning, I noticed this too. But I did buy some booties at the lbs when I bought the shoes. I intend to try them out if the temp drops below about 35.
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Watch out when you buy booties -- MTB/hiking-style shoes require VERY large booties, 2-3 sizes up, because bootie sizing corresponds to road bike shoes which are very narrow and profiled. I thought I was smart buying two sizes up for my commuter shoes and wouldncha know it, they're too small and require an exchange. Doh!
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Hmm. I'm not doing too bad so far. I'm wearing Shimano M021 mountain shoes, with just a pair of cotton socks (yeah, I know). It was 18-22*F on the ride in this morning at 5:30AM. My commute is about 45 minutes. A little cold, but not bad at all.

Last winter I was riding with toe clips, but with old worn-out sneakers with built-in ventilation (holes). I only really had trouble when it was down under 10*F, wearing poly base and cheap wool "hunter" socks.

I have some neoprene booties but I don't put them on until the weather gets down below about 0*; they're too much of a PITA. I am going to buy or improvise some toe covers though. And I do have some wool socks.
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
Hmm. I'm not doing too bad so far. I'm wearing Shimano M021 mountain shoes, with just a pair of cotton socks (yeah, I know). It was 18-22*F on the ride in this morning at 5:30AM. My commute is about 45 minutes. A little cold, but not bad at all.
I've just had to start wearing socks here. I usually don't at all (I'm sure someone will tell me how unwise this is). My pair of grey "smartwool" socks are pretty good. The problem is that my shoes are so well ventilated-they have mesh panels which are a little breezy. Nice in the summer, cold in the winter.

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You need to get yourself some booty.
Or if you're cheap, add a vapor barrier liner between your first and second layer of socks.
A sandwich bag will do nicely.
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Old 11-11-05, 11:16 PM
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Winter cycling boots (like these Lakes) are good too, also Sealskinz waterproof socks.
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if you wear a size 47 your out of luck on a bootie none go that big.
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It looks like hell but duct tape works well to plug up the ventalation holes. It makes a big difference.

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Toe warmers, wool socks to 30 degrees. Booties and woolsocks after that. Also a pair of shoes that do not have any mesh (hard to find). Asa for bootie sizing, yes get larger for your mtb shoes. I actually broke down and brought a pair of LG road shoes the other day so I could use my booties.
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Originally Posted by steveknight
if you wear a size 47 your out of luck on a bootie none go that big.
That's not neccesarily true. I have a pair of size 47 Cannondale Roam MTB shoes and I pair of Louis Garneau Stopzone Covers, in XL size. They fit fine.
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I went today with 32 degrees and my thick ski socks worked like a charm.

Dont ask me how I learned that ventilation is very important when cold ...
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Before you pull on them booties, slip a pair of cut down plastic bags over your shoes. Not only will the bags let those tighter fitting booties slip right on, they'll give you an additional water barrier where the cleat opening is.

Water-proof booties + plastic bag + Lake MXZ300 + neoprene socks + warm, dry happy feet. But I still ride shorts in the rain, the pants don't make an appearance till about 10°F.
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Originally Posted by Daily Commute
Booties.
Are good for commuting. If you do a lot of walking through snow booties suck. Snow and ice will hard pack in all the way around your foot from the cleat opening.

I've got a decent system worked out for the season. Begins with my standard clipless and wool short socks instead of cotton/manmade fiber when it's like it is now. For when it's truly cold I can got to my truly cold setup, Smartwool -40s, covered by a neoprene, followed by LakeDH300 2 1/2 sizes or so too large to accomodate all that. It's actually quite a svelte setup and doesn't feel like anything more than large efficient boots that stay warm and clip onto bicycles.

Don't bother trying to keep your feet dry in extreme cold. If you're moving (usually some physical exertion is involved with cycling, specially in cold) and your feet don't attempt to do what they're supposed to on the outside when met with physical exertion and heat see a doctor.

Mind you my advice is only really applicable to 8-10 hour stints in the cold while cycling. If I commuted an hour or two I'd just buy booties and take them on and off. Proper wool socks, cycling shoes and booties will keep you wet and toasty at -40 if you don't have to get off the bike.
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Originally Posted by babaluey
Winter cycling boots (like these Lakes) are good too, also Sealskinz waterproof socks.
I have tried water proof socks and while they are great a blocking wind, they really are not water proof... and while riding in rain, once the rain gets in, they never seem to dry.
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Originally Posted by dobber
Before you pull on them booties, slip a pair of cut down plastic bags over your shoes. Not only will the bags let those tighter fitting booties slip right on, they'll give you an additional water barrier where the cleat opening is.
Well, watch out. Plastic bags almost killed me last winter. They got wrapped around the pedal axle without me knowing, and when I stopped to turn left into the driveway at work, I nearly fell over. Would have except I jerked the thing hard enough to rip the bag. I was far left in the lane, and a semi was passing me at about 35 MPH on the right, partially in the shoulder. He missed my head by about 1 foot, just as I was falling in his direction and caught myself about there. Had I not been able to rip the bag and get my right foot down, I would have been flattened.
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Originally Posted by steveknight
if you wear a size 47 your out of luck on a bootie none go that big.
Size 48 here ... I got a pair of "Gator Booties" (XL) on eBay for 12.99 total price w/shipping.
I saw these same Gator Booties in a REI store for about 36.00-38.00

They fit perfect over my size 14 Answer Palisade shoe (size 48)

Their ad says XL will fit 12 and up... so far so good!

Course now I am wearin my Winter Lake's (301's)
 
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
Had I not been able to rip the bag and get my right foot down, I would have been flattened.
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Try sandals with one think inner sock, two layered thick wool socks and a wind/water proof sock on the outside.

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One of the guys who works in a not so lbs advised me to go to the mountaineering/ski shop and get the nice felt inserts for ski boots. Once you've dealt with the big cold metal plate issue most of your problem will go away.
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