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Old 11-14-05, 11:06 PM
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This is freaky! Map your commute Probably helpful for Chicks

http://www3.familywatchdog.us/

Click the "Find Offenders" by the magnifying glass icon. Enter your town, state and zip code and be prepared to be freaked out. The key of the offenses by color squares is on the left hand side. Click a colored square on the map and a pop up will display names, addresses, crime description, dates, and mug shot.

Women abusers are also cataloged so maybe chicks will find this helpful for routes to avoid.
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I just bookmarked it. Thanks for the info and the link. Actually, I'm using it to map my nephew's school route and stuff.

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Crap. It's amazing how so many of them can reside at the same address. What, they have molester's central or something? Stuff like this needs to be posted all over the neighborhoods.

Thankfully, no one lives in my building.

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Yeah, it's freaky when you check places. I recieved that last night and was up all night checking nearly everyone I knew address. No one in my apartment complex, but one about three miles away is red square central.

My first reaction was that this site is a must for any woman. So, I'm glad that you find it helpful.
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OK, that is a little freaky, one of my students from last semester at the local University is on there, a really nice fella, but on there for something other then stautory ****
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Originally Posted by koffee brown
Crap. It's amazing how so many of them can reside at the same address. What, they have molester's central or something? Stuff like this needs to be posted all over the neighborhoods.

Thankfully, no one lives in my building.

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Group home for people recently released from incarceration, I'd reckon.
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Not too many in my neighborhood, but I noticed one of them lives on the same street as one of the Scouts in my troop. I'll give his parents a heads-up.

One down side is that not all convictions were listed. Is that sex offender a child ******, or did he get caught masturbating behind a bush in the park?

Always have to play devil's advocate...
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Why would someone be safer to avoid cycling near a certain person's home?

Are sexual deviants also so incredibly dumb that they would assault someone right outside their front door? (I know some probably are, but I suspect most are slightly smarter than that).

I think the best defense, and advantage to this service, is to remind us to always be alert regardless of where we are. Don't let down your guard just because you are over a mile from the closest known offender... First, there are offenders who have not been caught and/or are not reporting their location properly (the ones to really be afraid of). Second, known offenders aren't (generally) prevented from travelling, and if they choose to repeat their crimes, probably will to avoid being caught..

Keep a good noise maker (whistle/horn etc) ready! Avoid isolated areas when alone! Pay attention to your surroundings! Enjoy the ride!!!
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i'm not a fan of these lists for one reason:

i believe once you've served your time and paid your dues you should have the same opportunities for a "fresh start" that every other recently incarcerated person has.

i think if the person in question (sex offender), is such a threat they have to let everyone know, then that person should not be released. if there's any chance it will happen, mitigate it first, rather than move them into a house, and allow a mob of people to run them out.

it also creates such instances where the person is run out of their house, harrassed, threatened, and discriminated against by the other residents. granted if such a person moved next door to me and i had kids i can't say i wouldn't be extremely concerned. (note the guy in utah who killed two sex offenders, randomly i believe).

also the poster below brings up a good point, in some communities a drunk frat boy getting caught peeing behind a dumpster earns the same scarlet letter as someone who commits an unspeakable act against women or children. if this isn't addressed in the lists, i.e. type A offense, type B offense, etc, it should be.

when sex offenders are released, i like the idea of a group home, (obviously not in a neighborhood, as no one would let it). spend their time, plenty of therapy, have counselers sign off on them, and let the police and social workers monitor them privately.

here's an interesting related article i read recently http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_3203613

anyway just my opinion - i'm mainly against the citizen style vigilante reactions and events that come from publishing these lists. anyway of course i'm not for sex offenders. maybe this post will come back to light when i run for city council
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Oregon doens't release it sex offender list I guess (that what it said when I tried to look it up for my neighborhood). Just letting y'all know.
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Old 11-15-05, 09:30 AM
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Wow one live around the corner from me....there are an awful lot of little kids in this area
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Originally Posted by Elvish Legion
Wow one live around the corner from me....there are an awful lot of little kids in this area
Almost any area has a lot of kids. We as a race procreate in a way that produces kids... What is the relevance?

I have seen the same argument for liquor stores being a problem because they were within a mile of an elementary school. In urban or suburban areas I challenge you to find more than a handful of communities in the world that don't have elementary schools and/or a lot of kids within easy walking distance...

Unless we set up the equivalent of leper colonies for sex offenders, we should just be careful, and not prejudice ourselves against someone (especially if the extent of the crime is unknown) any more than we should assume someone who has not been caught is absolutely safe... Remember, everyone on the list DID have a clean record at one time!!!!!

The benefit of these lists is that our eyes are opened to be aware of dangers.

The down side is that someone who is truly rehabilitated and has paid the penalty prescribed by law is open to harassment. In addition, some people falsely feel safer because the active child molesters and ******s in their neighborhood are not on a list.

Watch out for yourself, but don't forget to enjoy the journey.

Oh, and since this is a cycling forum, I have to mention a bike at least once... Ride a bike!
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Originally Posted by jamesdenver
i'm not a fan of these lists for one reason:

i believe once you've served your time and paid your dues you should have the same opportunities for a "fresh start" that every other recently incarcerated person has.
I don't disagree with the principle of a 'fresh start', but the reality is that recidivism among sex offenders is incredibly high. Let's assume for a moment that somebody served their time (and in many cases they do not serve the entire sentence) and they are released. There is no way for anybody to force them to go into therapy, keep them in check, etc. Once they serve the max of your sentence, they're free. The only "hook" the system has in is the mandatory registration as a sexual offender, which basically gives law enforcement a way of keeping track of where they live. Why? Because, like I said earlier, chances are they will re-offend. Ask any sex assault investigator and they'll tell you that in any case involving an unknown suspect, the first place they look is the list of sex offenders in the area.

Which brings me to the second point: I agree with dgregory, knowing where a sex offender lives doesn't mean the crimes will take place there. The typical perv who is into molesting kids will probably attract them into his house and develop a relationship with them over a period of time (see Michael Jackson), but the violent/assault suspects will usually not "[crap] in their own yard" so they'll do the crimes outside their immediate neighborhood but in the same general area. So, if you're worried about the new neighbor who has a lot of the neighborhood kids over at his house, the list is a good thing to keep in mind. If you're worried about being assaulted while riding or walking around the neighborhood, it goes back to safety basics.
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Wow, that's a paranoid site. Remember folks, be afraid, keep hatin', and get the pitchforks and burning torches on standby.
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Sounds like something that might appeal to the Daily Mail readership; I'm with Andygates on this one.
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Originally Posted by dgregory57
Almost any area has a lot of kids. We as a race procreate in a way that produces kids... What is the relevance?
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What is the releveance of any of these posts? Why wasmine singled out. I was just commenting that it surprised me with all these kids that a sex offender could just move in and not have the whole comminuty out in arms abou it
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Originally Posted by Elvish Legion
What is the releveance of any of these posts? Why wasmine singled out. I was just commenting that it surprised me with all these kids that a sex offender could just move in and not have the whole comminuty out in arms abou it
your response was exactly what i was referring to in my post.

the reason i don't approve of the PUBLIC having the list - is that it's not used as a tool, but as a catalyst to inspire paranoid reactionary mob behavior.

if there's a threat, he shouldn't be in the community. if he's released, let the social system deal with it, and keep the information out of the hands of gun toting vigilantes (or pitchfork totin). robble robble robble

no offense - and i respect everyone else opinion as well...
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Originally Posted by jamesdenver
your response was exactly what i was referring to in my post.

the reason i don't approve of the PUBLIC having the list - is that it's not used as a tool, but as a catalyst to inspire paranoid reactionary mob behavior.

if there's a threat, he shouldn't be in the community. if he's released, let the social system deal with it, and keep the information out of the hands of gun toting vigilantes (or pitchfork totin). robble robble robble

no offense - and i respect everyone else opinion as well...
Honsetly I could care less, its just people in my area are tight wads. If my dogs are out past 8:30 and bark even once the police get called. If a motorcycle is driven down the streets past 8 people are up in arms. On Fridays when people go to the movies they cut through our area and the people pitch a fit....
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Wow, that's a paranoid site. Remember folks, be afraid, keep hatin', and get the pitchforks and burning torches on standby.
I was reading the posts and trying to come up with a way to say it as well as you did. Well said.

Being safe is important (and I wouldn't let my kids hang out unsupervised with a known sex offender!) but I'm bothered by the suggestion that adult women should be checking this list to decide where they should or shouldn't ride a bike.

Women do not need to be supervised at all times (or at all times after dark, or at all times in poor neighborhoods where armed robberies are more common, etc.) and I find any suggestion to the contrary rather disturbing.

I am male, however, so feel free to flame me for not understanding a woman's perspective.

(Though I personally think it's an issue of not understanding perspectives of men and women who are far too fearful for their own good.)
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Wow, that's a paranoid site. Remember folks, be afraid, keep hatin', and get the pitchforks and burning torches on standby.

Will do! Thanks for the reminder!

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Originally Posted by barleyrocket
Oregon doens't release it sex offender list I guess (that what it said when I tried to look it up for my neighborhood). Just letting y'all know.
I'm not sure that's correct. I live in Monmouth, and when one of these guys was let out into an area where I walk my dog, his picture was plastered all over the place along with an official notice saying he was released.

Although I understand the motivation of those who create and use these services, I have serious reservations about them.

First of all, they are only as good as the data. Issues with updating the list, typos, or even people intentionally tampering with the data can cause devastating consequences for innocent people. Also, it seems like if we're attaching red letters to people, we should not just limit it to certain sex related crimes.

Secondly, encouraging people to fear others based on geography is every bit as bad as encouraging them to fear people based on race. As someone who gets mistaken for being Iraqi or Iranian, I personally can attest that people who fear or hate others because of one piece of information can be very scary.
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My first thought was this site is secretly run by the sex offenders themselves!
Crap! Now they know where I live! (kidding!)
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Originally Posted by Elvish Legion
What is the releveance of any of these posts? Why was mine singled out. I was just commenting that it surprised me with all these kids that a sex offender could just move in and not have the whole comminuty out in arms abou it
Your post just had a comment that brought up a side issue, so I used it to tie in my side issue instead of doing the work myself.

I apologize that I did so in a way that made you feel singled out.
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These sorts of lists do a lot to engender fear and mistrust, but for people concerned about their children's safety is is extremely important to remember that the vast majority of sexual abuse against children is committed by a relative or someone known and trusted by the child and parents. make sure your efforts, concern and awareness are directed in the right direction.
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