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jamesdenver 11-29-05 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by vrkelley
Probably the worst mistake a newbie can make is underestimating the weather. For temps below 45...a 5-10F drop in temerature is significant. If you're traveling over 10miles, always have a plan B in mind. i.e., carry an extra shirt, and scarf or have a bail out plan of some sort.

There's nothing worse than being 15miles out with no place to warm up, get water or go to the bathroom. Also keep a log of what worked for a particular temperature range.

For those who've cycled a year or more...Remember that what worked last year may not work this year because your circulation has improved. You actually may need to wear less on your torso, but remember to wear warm gear on head, neck, knees and feet.

agreed - start with an extra layer, and take it off if needed. today was 16 in Denver, the coldest day this season, but it was dry and sunny.

today i wore:

2 pairs of socks
tights, (biking shorts on top)
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tight stretch base layer shirt (from nashbar)
nylon shell light jacket
helly hansen light but extremely insulated jacket on top of that
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full head cover with neck covering (burgler looking face cut out thing)
winter hat on top of that
gortex ski gloves

i never used my head cover thing (only for skiing), but it worked great and totally insulates side of face and neck.

i just got this base layer from nashbar and love it - it replaces a heavy flannel type shirt i wore, which felt really heavy with a light sweat. just wearing that and my jacket is perfect, maybe a shirt between them.

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...eid=&pagename=

it seems like a lot of gear, but a few light layers is much more easier than big bulky jackets. yesterday i wore short little socks, and left an open space on the back of my ankle, was a bit raw when i got to work (no skin for insulation there).

jamesdenver 11-29-05 10:39 AM

hey three Denver posts in a row :)

i've mentioned before my favorite commuting gadget is actually my wireless thermometer. i have this in my bathroom, and can dress without going downstairs and outside to check weather. the above poster is right, 25 feels much different than 35, so this helps.

http://www.ambientweather.com/thermometers.html

ask your sig. other to get you one for christmas!

DataJunkie 11-29-05 10:46 AM

Hum....
I'm thinking a burley jacket is overkill. Most ponder cancelling order and redistributing the money elsewhere. Jacket and Panniers!

Incidentally, I rode also this morning.
My items were:
Head: balaclava, helmet, and googles
Torso: Nike pro fit shirt, mid weight fleece jacket liner, and a windbreaker
Legs: Tights, cycling shorts, and a pair of jogging pants to stop the wind.
Feet: cotton socks and wool skiing socks. Tennis shoes
Hands: ski gloves

Everything was fine. The areas for improvement lie in my torso. I need a cycling jacket and to seperate the fleece jacket liner into several thinner layers. Maybe better gloves.

joejack951 11-29-05 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by threephi
I'm thinking of checking this one out, how do you get a 20% off coupon?

Usually, they are available in the Coupon Forum but at this moment, there is no active 20% code. If you can wait, then you can save quite a bit by using one. They tend to come and go every month or so. Usually, when I find one, I place an order right away for the things on my eternally evolving/growing list.

VintageCommute 11-29-05 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by tajsss
I'm a newbie winter commuter. But I'm also a newbie commuter. Only been commuting for about 2 months. I also live in Dallas so I don't have much (read "any") chance of snow or ice. I plan to keep riding as my only problem will be cold (to me). I read so much about people dealing with snow and ice and negative temp's and all this stuff, I feel I have to keep riding in the cold. I can withstand temperatures pretty well. My wife on the other hand who started commuting about 2 months ago as well, has pretty quit for the winter. She does not like the cold at all. I'll be lucky to get her to go out on Sunday afternoon rides with me when it is a little warmer than early in the morning.

Hi, Tajsss. I am commuting on my bicycle here in Dallas as well, so I have gone through the weather as you did. When the weather got cold I wore a nylon shell with a polyester/spandex base layer shirt and it gets hot very quickly and the sweat condensates inside my nylon shell. Now I am trying a tight fit PowerStrech fleece jacket with no base layer. But the temp has been around 50 lately, so this setup hasn't really been tested with colder weather.

Which route do you travel, and how many miles of commuting? I am riding on Plano Parkway and it's almost perfect for bike commute after 9:15 AM in the morning and after 6:40 PM in the evening. My commute is 9 miles one way.

VintageCommute 11-29-05 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by DataJunkie
Hum....
I'm thinking a burley jacket is overkill. Most ponder cancelling order and redistributing the money elsewhere. Jacket and Panniers!

Incidentally, I rode also this morning.
My items were:
Head: balaclava, helmet, and googles
Torso: Nike pro fit shirt, mid weight fleece jacket liner, and a windbreaker
Legs: Tights, cycling shorts, and a pair of jogging pants to stop the wind.
Feet: cotton socks and wool skiing socks. Tennis shoes
Hands: ski gloves

Everything was fine. The areas for improvement lie in my torso. I need a cycling jacket and to seperate the fleece jacket liner into several thinner layers. Maybe better gloves.

Tennis shoes are too soft. Try moutain bike shoes. It's a world of difference. I bought one pair from Nashbar (Lake?).

cyccommute 11-29-05 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by DataJunkie
Hum....
I'm thinking a burley jacket is overkill. Most ponder cancelling order and redistributing the money elsewhere. Jacket and Panniers!

Incidentally, I rode also this morning.
My items were:
Head: balaclava, helmet, and googles
Torso: Nike pro fit shirt, mid weight fleece jacket liner, and a windbreaker
Legs: Tights, cycling shorts, and a pair of jogging pants to stop the wind.
Feet: cotton socks and wool skiing socks. Tennis shoes
Hands: ski gloves

Everything was fine. The areas for improvement lie in my torso. I need a cycling jacket and to seperate the fleece jacket liner into several thinner layers. Maybe better gloves.

Try some neoprene shoe covers from Performance. That improves comfort a bunch. I also have found bib tights to be much better at really cold temps than regular tights. They keep your core warmer.

ahpook 11-29-05 12:51 PM

I think I got enough experience points to go up a level in foul-weather commuting today. I bike commuted last winter too but I was never very comfortable doing it. Granted, I'm in the SF Bay Area so things are a lot milder here than some of ya'll. Today I zipped in through puddles, showers, and some heavier rain, temps about 50F, without any misery. I was geared up like:

SPD sandals, Sealskinz waterproof socks over 2-layer Wrightsocks
REI semi-breathable pants (front neoprene, back spandex) over bike shorts
Normal short-sleeve jersey

I was actually a bit disappointed that it wasn't more wet. But not disappointed enough to, like, move to Seattle or anything. :)

truman 11-29-05 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by VintageCommute
Which route do you travel, and how many miles of commuting? I am riding on Plano Parkway and it's almost perfect for bike commute after 9:15 AM in the morning and after 6:40 PM in the evening. My commute is 9 miles one way.

I'm a Ft Worth commuter. We rarely get ice or snow here, and when we do, no one knows how to drive in it. No way am I gonna get on the road on a bike in that situation.

huhenio 11-29-05 01:26 PM

I'm going to split my commute - half driving, half riding.

I need the ride very bad ... but the hills can get dangerous as temps drop, mostly due the humans enveloped in a nice metal box.

BTW ... my box part canvas.

cyccommute 11-29-05 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by jamesdenver
hey three Denver posts in a row :)

i've mentioned before my favorite commuting gadget is actually my wireless thermometer. i have this in my bathroom, and can dress without going downstairs and outside to check weather. the above poster is right, 25 feels much different than 35, so this helps.

http://www.ambientweather.com/thermometers.html

ask your sig. other to get you one for christmas!

Yup. I have a Radio Shack one. The transmitter is on the north side of my house and we use it all the time. One other piece of info to get and use is a sunrise/sunset table you can get here. You can also get a civil twilight table. I printed mine out and it hangs on my refrig and on my desk (at work). Very handy.

VintageCommute 11-29-05 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by truman
I'm a Ft Worth commuter. We rarely get ice or snow here, and when we do, no one knows how to drive in it. No way am I gonna get on the road on a bike in that situation.


Salute DFW Bike Commuter!

DataJunkie 11-29-05 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by VintageCommute
Tennis shoes are too soft. Try moutain bike shoes. It's a world of difference. I bought one pair from Nashbar (Lake?).


The next upgrade after panniers will be converting to clipless. I have a month or two to decide on sandals or regular shoes. The xmas bonus is already spent!

DataJunkie 11-29-05 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute
Try some neoprene shoe covers from Performance. That improves comfort a bunch. I also have found bib tights to be much better at really cold temps than regular tights. They keep your core warmer.

I was planning on picking up the shoe covers with the clipless upgrade. After what you have said, maybe it will be sooner.
I will ponder the bib tights since I already need a second pair of tights. That would be perfect timing.

cyccommute 11-29-05 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by DataJunkie
The next upgrade after panniers will be converting to clipless. I have a month or two to decide on sandals or regular shoes. The xmas bonus is already spent!

PM me when you are ready for clipless pedals. Maybe Santa will come early this year ;)

tajsss 11-29-05 05:20 PM

Wow. Someone else commutes in Dallas. I have seen 1 other person commuting in the past 2 or 3 months and I only saw him one time. Crazy. We are really close to each other actually. I live at Hillcrest/Ohio and George Bush. I commute to UTD 2 days a week via Hillcrest to Frankford to Waterview. I don't have class till 10am so traffic has died down by then and it is not bad. I commute to Las Colinas for work 3 other days a week. I am not commuting the whole way yet. I am driving part of the way and riding the rest. I started out driving to Brookhaven Community College in Farmers Branch then taking Valley View road which turns and runs right into Irving not far from my office. I am currently parking at the Dart station on Arapaho and the North Tollway. I go down Addison Rd. to Valley View and follow that in to Irving. I have to be at work at 7am so I beat all the traffic as I get to work early enough to shower. I don't leave till 6pm so most of the traffic has died down by the time I change clothes and get out the door. My one way trip is 12.5 miles currently. I plan on riding the full distance to work and back starting this Saturday which will be between 18 to 19 miles one way. We'll see how it goes. My wife also commutes (fair weather only though so she is done for the winter) to Addison right by the Addison airport. I've found a lot of smaller roads that she takes that are nice without much traffic. I do drive to work one day a week though and take enough clothes for the whole week so I don't have to carry much with me which is nice and makes the long commute easier without having to carry a bunch of weight like I do to school.

Tim

DataJunkie 11-29-05 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by cyccommute
PM me when you are ready for clipless pedals. Maybe Santa will come early this year ;)

Will do. :)

tokolosh 11-30-05 01:07 AM

yee hah. today i got my first ride on snow. as you can probably guess, it was really fun. fun, but now i'm very very sleepy.

peregrine 11-30-05 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by tokolosh
anyway, my point just being that layering the right wicking/warmth stuff underneath it has made the search for breathable waterproof gear much less urgent for me. it still doesn't breathe, and i still sweat into it, but to be honest i just don't notice it while i'm riding. the layers keep my skin dry so i stay warm, and usually i strip the jacket inside out when i take it off, and leave it to dry while i'm showering. if your'e in a hurry you can wipe it down, provided you don't mind the gross factor.

You're talking about the drops that form on the inside of your jacket, right? Same here + on the inside of my waterproof pants. I though it was just condensation though, because they start forming 5 min into my ride when I'm not yet sweating even a little.

peregrine 11-30-05 01:28 AM

I want to ask all of you winter commuters what do you do about your lights in this more severe weather? With daylight savings time at least one of my daily rides is in semi-dark or pitch-dark. Snow, rain, etc also make me think that my current lights are not really adequate. Any input?

tokolosh 11-30-05 01:44 AM


Originally Posted by peregrine
You're talking about the drops that form on the inside of your jacket, right? Same here + on the inside of my waterproof pants. I though it was just condensation though, because they start forming 5 min into my ride when I'm not yet sweating even a little.

mmph. they may be, but i've always just put mine on this side of my own door, and not taken it off until i was that side of the parking lot. plus, i've always figured that with me inside them, the only place anything condensable could be coming from is me anyway. there ain't much room in there for anything else :D

2manybikes 11-30-05 01:59 AM


Originally Posted by peregrine
I want to ask all of you winter commuters what do you do about your lights in this more severe weather? With daylight savings time at least one of my daily rides is in semi-dark or pitch-dark. Snow, rain, etc also make me think that my current lights are not really adequate. Any input?

There are many, many, good lights for bad conditions. See the "light selection guide" thread. Read the first post and take a look at the links. More than enough info.

cyccommute 11-30-05 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by peregrine
I want to ask all of you winter commuters what do you do about your lights in this more severe weather? With daylight savings time at least one of my daily rides is in semi-dark or pitch-dark. Snow, rain, etc also make me think that my current lights are not really adequate. Any input?

I use the Niteriders because that's what I started with and because they are waterproof. I will say that riding in snow is the one place where using a helmet light is bad. You get too much reflection from the snow to see where you are going. Fog does the same thing but I don't often get to ride in fog. When I do it's really kinda cool ;)

eandmwilson 11-30-05 03:20 PM

Do you guys find you are slower in cold weather, even with dry roads? I know I'm carrying a lot more gear, and not as wind slick as I am during summer, but I'm seeing a 2-3 mph drop in average speed I can't account for.

DataJunkie 11-30-05 03:31 PM

Strange. I was just pondering the same thing this morning. :p
The increased weight has quite a bit to do with it IMHO. Plus, I find cycling in cold weather much more physically demanding. Cold air seems to make my lungs work harder and the humidity is slim to nonexistant.
Just think when spring hits... much better shape for riding with a jersey and shorts.

peregrine 11-30-05 04:35 PM

I've also noticed I'm slower. Slower as it gets colder (below ~37F). I agree with DataJunkie that the weather is more physically demanding. My muscles are taking a beating early in the morning.

peregrine 11-30-05 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by 2manybikes
There are many, many, good lights for bad conditions. See the "light selection guide" thread. Read the first post and take a look at the links. More than enough info.

The "many many" is one of my problems :o But anyway, my question was more "what works for you" kind of thing.

davidmcowan 11-30-05 06:08 PM

I agree on the muscles working harder. One thing I noticed today in Denver was that the winds seem to be much more of a presence as well. With the cold comes those gusts which slowed me down to walking speed several times this morning. I'm leaving work now and just hoping that those same gusts will send me home. :)

tokolosh 11-30-05 10:09 PM

i dunno. i don't think i have a fast to go slower-than :D never done this ride on a hot or even a warm day either. but for the limited meaning it has, i think i'm actually finding the opposite is true: i seem to be doing better and feeling stronger (so far) now that the temperature is consistently below 5 celsius. i have quite a lot of trouble with random inflammation, so maybe the cold keeps it under control for me or something. this past week is the first one for a long time that i haven't woken up sore. it's too bad i hate winter.

doesn't it take more energy just to keep you warm when the weather is cold? that could be why it's harder to add exercise on top of it.

joejack951 11-30-05 10:19 PM


Originally Posted by tokolosh
doesn't it take more energy just to keep you warm when the weather is cold? that could be why it's harder to add exercise on top of it.

I remember reading a few things agreeing with and negating that statement. I can't remember which is true. I know that for myself I am slower. I blame it on the wind and the extra resistance from more layers of clothing. Whenever I'm wearing my windproof tights and climbing, the burn hits way sooner than if I was wearing no tights at all. I can just feel them working against me. But I'd rather be slow than freeze my nuts off (literally) :)


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