And look, I'm not saying there aren't other ways to find some form of relief. Sure prescriptions drugs can work, but they also have their own side effects. The come down from drugs like Ritalin and Adderall suck. Its not like these drugs are innocent, they effect you, sometimes in wierd ways...

Diet is a big factor, exercise, and all that stuff.

I'm not saying you need marijuana, but that it does help some people. You need to just admit that its possible...

If it helps someone it helps. Just accept that, instead of being scared that something you've been taught to fear isn't that bad.

There are a lot of medical uses for it... you'd be really surprised how long human beings have used marijuana for all sorts of purposes... thousands of years ago since you have been born. Marijuana's image has been tarnished in this country, and in these times.

Its not just for people dying... its for people with MS... take Montel Williams... glaucoma, chronic pain, chemo therapy, I could go on...

[QUOTE=CagerTools]And look, I'm not saying there aren't other ways to find some form of relief. Sure prescriptions drugs can work, but they also have their own side effects. The come down from drugs like Ritalin and Adderall suck. Its not like these drugs are innocent, they effect you, sometimes in wierd ways..."

That's why I don't take those drugs.

[QUOTE=CagerTools]"Diet is a big factor, exercise, and all that stuff."

That's why I watch what I eat and exercise.

[QUOTE=CagerTools]"I'm not saying you need marijuana, but that it does help some people. You need to just admit that its possible..."

Reread my last paragraph and I said that it could be helpful in some instances.

[QUOTE=CagerTools]"Your just as bad as the stoners that say "Everyone should smoke weed man". You think NO one should smoke weed."

I did not say no one should smoke weed...but most shouldn't.

[QUOTE=CagerTools]"If it helps someone it helps. Just accept that, instead of being scared that something you've been taught to fear isn't that bad."

What is there to be scared of? If you read my earlier post I said I smoked weed at one time. That's just your lame attempt to make yourself feel better for not being "scared" to take the stuff...yeah, your the brave fearless man.

You might have smoked weed before, but I'm guessing u would hang with your buddies and smoke bong hits... recreationally. Lol...of course its going to be hard to concentrate with that amount of cannabis in your system.

Cannabinoids have a staying power in the brain. Some people notice if they smoke the night before, the next day it does help to calm the brain.

I've seen studies on the web, that try to say marijuana slows certain parts of your brain. If you want I can post something on it... But anyways, the same area that slows down, is shown in other studies to be over active in people with AD/HD

So it turns out, that yeah...for some people, they shouldn't be smoking, if they want to keep their non-add brains in tune. But for the add people, it actually helps them, because it helps calm the area that is too hyper.

Here is what I'm talking about:

I found this page:
http://www.ldpride.net/addsub-types.htm

It talks about the difference between ADD, without hyperactivity, and ADHD, which is WITH hyperactivity.

It says that regular ADD, is different than ADHD, in that ADHD is caused by an understimulation in the frontal lobe, and ADD is more of a problem of the parietal lobe.

A google search for marijuanas effects on the parietal lobe.

I found this page:
http://www.globalchange.com/drugs/TADChapter5.htm

If you read it, you'll see this:

Scientists have studied electrical activity in the frontal lobes of the brain in Marijuana users using event-related potential measurements (ERP).You can measure not only patterns of electrical activity in the brain using electrodes placed over the head, but also the speed of brain reactions to - say - a picture or a sound.

Research shows that with increased length of use, Marijuana users are less able to focus attention and filter out irrelevant stimuli, (frontal lobe activity).However with increasing frequency of use there was a growing problem in the parietal area of the brain with slower speed of information processing.

Its interesting. AND it makes sense. If ADD people have overactive parietal lobes, then it makes sense, that something that can calm that lobe, like marijuana, would actually help them. In the case of normal people, frequent use would be bad, but for ADD people, frequent use would calm them.

So, the next question is, does marijuana help ADHD people, who have problems with their frontal lobes? How much marijuana would these people need? Maybe, the dose of marijuana, that can affectively stimulate the frontal lobes, is higher, than the dose that is needed to calm the parietal lobes.

So, there are distinctions between ADD/ADHD. I'm sure some people have percentages of both.

This is why I'm saying, that if something helps someone, then it HELPS them.

blah blah blah, you haven't said anything. It's obvious you haven't read any of the sites I gave...why? Because you only want to see what you want to see so you can have an excuse to continue your habit.

Shall I post those alien aduction websites that "prove" aductions?

I saw your sites... but I've also read BOOKS on add... so, whatever.

Also, I never even mentioned that I smoke, so why can you say I'm trying to continue a habit?

I've read TONS of books on the ADD subject as well and none...NONE said weed was useful or effective.

The smoking part was referring to another poster and not you.

I'm not surprised, since its illegal in this country.

As do you -- your pro-marijuana agenda is just as bad as those you insult for having the opposite view.

If you cannot provide a scholarly, factual reference to cannabinoids being effective in the treatment of AD/HD, leave it to the experts, thanks.

This might not mean much, but I'm pretty much done following this thread, as it's devolved into pro-/anti- specific drug and has little to do with cycling anymore. Send your criticisms to the garbage can.

It takes the edge of of me by the time I get home. It's like a good threaphy session but with a solid workout.

That's a ingnorant statement. First off there are tons of books written in this country about MaryJane and those books are not censored even though weed is illegal. Second those books I read came from doctors that were from all over the world including here in the USA, Canada, England, Switzerland, Denmark and other countries I've forgotten. So your statement doesn't hold water...nice try.

This thread has evolved from ADD/ADHD to who smokes the best herb.

I, for one, have found cycling to and from work a great way to concentrate. Like bostontrevor, sitting in a car makes me want to claw my eyes out.

Yeah, I can only sit in a car if I'm worked out or cycled that day. But even then, traffic SUX. I haven't used my car purposely for a long time now, like 4 months... and, I don't miss traffic at all.

Yeah I'm done with this thread too. I'm not a expert, and I don't claim to be. I think marijuana is a pretty cool thing, but to each his own.

Cycling and marijuana...now thats an interesting thing. I've cycled through the streets of Den Haag, Netherlands... it was my first time smoking. My cousins and I picked up some Ak-47 in a shop there (its legal), and rode around. It was such a fun bike ride.

In Berkeley, I've ridden with people in the Critical Mass there, and some people would smoke also.

It may seem I have a pro-marijuana agenda, but I really don't. If it wasn't legal, the substance would speak for itself. I just think there are a lot of people that have been brought up to fear the plant... for reasons that are not based on truth. I used to be one of them.

This is fascinating . . . 'cuz here's my story.

Recently diagnosed with AD/HD about 2 years ago . . . checked out the DSM and I had every dang symptom! It's not nonsense -- AD/HD is real, and my life would have been a lot easier if somebody had said something to me before I was 31.

Just started working with a coach about three months ago -- like some of you skeptics, I also thought all of this meds and coaching stuff was silly . . . but I had to get over myself -- it all has made a huge difference.

Anyway, this guy asks me what I want to work on . . . while I felt like I was "supposed" to talk about work and finishing my thesis . . . I ended up telling him that I was getting chunky and couldn't get up the energy to work out more than once a week . . . I was also bummed that I couldn't see more of NYC, where I live, to justify my crazy-ass rent.

So he says -- immediately -- "Get a bike! Going to the gym, you have to find your clothes and your lock and all that repetition -- it's boring -- on a bike, you can just jump on it and go!"

The guy's a genius . . . he's the reason I'm here today. Even though it's cold, I've been riding all the time. I rode from Harlem to Battery Park and back on Thursday, and I felt great -- my body was happy and my mind was calm . . . I've seen parts of Manhattan I never saw before . . . and I've lost 7 pounds!

If TV and traffic cause or exacerbate the ADD . . . the bike is a definite solution!

Great to read your success story Rachmiel. I think cycling is an excellent way to get around a city, and encourage it to anyone that can use a bike. And to counter your story Cagertools, I had a great bike ride a few years ago from Amsterdam to Haarlem and back to Amsterdam. On the route was a cocoa factory that you could smell for at least a mile.

Well, the places where you've been explains it all. And yes you do have an agenda. Why don't all you liberals just tell the truth and quite lying. Just tell the truth that you have an agenda, at least then we can respect your opinion, but when you lie about it it just makes you look like more of a fool! Quite hiding around some false pretense; just as the gay community as come out of the closet with their agenda, time for you to come out of your smoked filled basement with your agenda.

are you crying conspiracy?

tell you what, i will readily confess all my sins that you expose if you will confess to using spellcheck.

What they hey, Liberal agenda? What on earth is the gay community's agenda, to be treated like equals?
And since when is smoking weed a liberal agenda. Does that make bigotry and hate a conservative reactionary agenda? Why don't you come out of your hatefest, read a book, and take an English class for crying out loud.

Hey! I'm a former pot smoking gay liberal...you want to know my agenda? TO RIDE MY BIKE! What's so wrong if someone wants to smoke pot in their own home? Hell, what's wrong with someone wanting to have their own opinion, for that matter?

Oh, wait! That's right! The conservative right wing agenda is to take away opinions. Forgive my forgetfulnes.

Quit your 84 Trek 660 Suntour Superbe agenda Froze!

Oh, wait! That's right! The conservative right wing agenda is to take away opinions. Forgive my forgetfulnes

I'm sorry, when did I say you did not have a right to an opinion? In fact I invited your opinions by asking you to be more honest about them and admit them. To which you respond that I gave you no rights to your opinions...hmm.

I dont hav tim to set a round an spel chk every werd; by the way you should chk yours a bit closer-you forgot to capitalize T in tell for the first word of a sentence, and I is suppose to always be capitalized AND the biggy of them all is SPELLCHECK IS SPELL CHECK thats two words and not one. So I confess to finding your errors without using a spell check.

As soon as you quit your econobot agenda...uhh?

Help me here, where in my posts did I say I hated gay or pot smokers or whatever? Everyone has some sort of agenda or another, be it conservative, liberal, moderate, weed smoker, gay rights, women rights (remember that from years ago?) black rights etc...I never said having an agenda was wrong, though I might disagree with that agenda just as you may disagree with mine, that doesn't mean I hate you, but your attack on me shows you must now have some hate towards me so in reality your the one with the hatefest.

Froze, I am not sure this is your intent, but you are using semantics to create a false dilemma of sorts. Agenda is a very loaded term, and you are implying that either a person has an agenda or they have no thoughts. Clearly we all have thoughts, thus agendas, you imply. But really (here is how it is a false dilemma) a person either has an agenda, thougthts, or apathy.

I'm soooo confused!!!!!!!!!!

Hey don't be so quick to words Froze.

My cousins LIVE in the Netherlands. That is why I was there.

I think you either need to ride some more miles on your bike, or smoke some stoney weed so you can chill out.

I have no hate fest against you!

I once tried putting stoney weed in brownies but it was too hard on the teeth, I (use to) prefer grassy weed.

I guess what i find amazing is that cyclist are suppose to be health conscious and yet I find that some just don't care what they put in their bodies. That should start another war!

biking helps me with depression + anger management...

The reason that it does this is because it and most other physical activities release endorphins, a chemcial that makes you feel "good" (for lack of a better word)

Froze, why don't you just go **** off. All you want to do is start arguments.