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Old 02-03-06, 12:01 PM
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I live in San Francisco, and right now I have a Fuji Absolute (~$400-500 depending on the shop) but I found a great deal on a used Fuji Royale, their top of the line flatbar road bike, and will be passing the Absolute to my fiance. The Royale retails ~$1000...you think it'll be a theif magnet? 95% of the time it'd be in my office's garage or in my apartment, but there's those occasional lockups on the street that worry me. I have a good lock & cable (OnGuard Bulldog mini) and have read Sheldon Brown's lockup tutorial - been safe so far.

Does anyone commute or get around town on a bike like this or is it more typical to have a cheaper bike for these purposes?

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Old 02-03-06, 12:10 PM
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The cheapest bike I'd ride to work would be about $1200 to replace, even though it's only cost me $600 to put together. The most expensive one is over $4k, but that would only be if I had flats on all my other bikes and needed to get to work RFN. I would never leave my $4k bike out in public for any length of time. To be honest, even the cheaper bikes don't get left out very much.
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Old 02-03-06, 12:21 PM
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I ride an old Schwinn converted to fixed. Cost about $200 half in the wheels. However I have secure parking at work and home so the real reason I ride a cheapie is the salt. I figure a couple of Cleveland winters and the excessive salt on the roads any bike will disolve.
I figure a flashy new bike will attract more thieves than a dirty older bike no matter what the realitive worth. Just make sure you secure the bike well enough to be a deterent.
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Counting all the upgrades, primarily tires and hub dynamo, I'd say the replacement value of my bike is about $1,500. It's the cheapest bike that has the features I need for commuting. However, I have very secure indoor parking, so theft is only a worry when I go shopping with it.

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Old 02-03-06, 12:34 PM
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Bike thievery is more a matter of opportunity and supply & demand. Most thieves go for easy to steal bikes in places that are secluded enough to do their dirty work. They'll then re-sell it to someone to buy a cheap bike like a restaurant that uses bikes to make deliveries or if the bike's nice, pawn it for some cash. Some rare thieves will just use it for themselves. Even rarer are thieves actually looking for high-end bikes to sell to cash heavy customers who don't ask questions.

If you use kryptonite and abus locks, keep it in a public, well lit place, I'd worry more about vandalism than theft.
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I spent about $20 on my wheels, $30 on my seat, $2 on my rack, $15 on my fenders, $15 on brakes... found the frame.

total of about $92?

My bike's real expensive.
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Old 02-03-06, 12:44 PM
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Probably about 1100 bucks to replace the bike that's my main commuter. But I've also got pretty secure parking so I'm not that worried. I'm also building up an old Trek 660 I got for $45 as a commuter/ride-with-the-family bike too.
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Old 02-03-06, 12:53 PM
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Yeah my office garage is pretty secure, not worried about it there. I'm mainly worried about random trips to a store or the dentist, but that's usually in the daytime in pretty busy areas. I can't have a second, cheaper bike since my place is already crowded - I'd like to have one as an all around commuter/fitness/occasional weekend rider type bike.

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Old 02-03-06, 12:56 PM
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My commuter is about $100, so I don't really worry when I lock it up to go shopping.

..however, my BMX is about $1200.. so it only gets locked up in my direct line of sight. (ie in front of the restaraunt window)
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Old 02-03-06, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Illah
Yeah my office garage is pretty secure, not worried about it there. I'm mainly worried about random trips to a store or the dentist, but that's usually in the daytime in pretty busy areas. I can't have a second, cheaper bike since my place is already crowded - I'd like to have one as an all around commuter/fitness/occasional weekend rider type bike.

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Be careful with that assumption. If you're riding in an expensive mtb, there's a huge market out there for stolen ones. I've know three people who've had their expensive mtb's stolen while locked in an underground garage. There's people out there who watch for bikes going into garages. Once they get in (not hard) it's alot easier for them to steal your bike since most racks underground are out of general view. Plus, never trust the security guard who makes $8/hr to really care about your bike. Mtb's are the most likely to be stolen. The smarter LBS's out there will put a $5k road bike in the front window before a $2.5k mtb. Bottom line.....insurance.
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Originally Posted by GGDub
Be careful with that assumption. If you're riding in an expensive mtb, there's a huge market out there for stolen ones. I've know three people who've had their expensive mtb's stolen while locked in an underground garage. There's people out there who watch for bikes going into garages. Once they get in (not hard) it's alot easier for them to steal your bike since most racks underground are out of general view. Plus, never trust the security guard who makes $8/hr to really care about your bike. Mtb's are the most likely to be stolen. The smarter LBS's out there will put a $5k road bike in the front window before a $2.5k mtb. Bottom line.....insurance.
Yeah, I'd have to agree with that, at least here in Sacramento. The market for stolen bikes favors the MTB, especially the American River Parkway "Campers." You might be better off with an old steel road bike, maybe even SS or fixed, if you're planning to park it for any amount of time.
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Old 02-03-06, 01:23 PM
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I have a $350 bike, but it's probably pushing $800 with stuff on it. $30 computer, $300 HID and other lighting, $40 pedals, $50 rebuilt rear wheel, probably some other crud I can't remember.
In the summer I could get away with riding a cheap, but I wouldn't want to. In the winter, regardless of the bike, now that I've used one I WON'T ride without HID unless it's an emergency, so anything I have is going to cost at least $250 or so, even if the bike was free.
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Old 02-03-06, 01:34 PM
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About $900. Though, I'll be upgrading to a $1400 'bent in the spring....
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I ride an old Trek 1400 road bike. Early 90's I think. Not sure what its worth as it was sort of given to me from a friend. I've put maybe 200 into parts and tires and stuff. I lock it up at school and running errands with a Bulldog mini. I'm not too worried about it as its not very nice, it would be an excuse to buy a new/better bike, and there is at least 1 or 2 bikes at every bikerack at school that aren't even locked up. I figure as long as I'm more secure than the guy next to me then I'm good.
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To replace new? About $800 for bike, $50 for SPD pedals, $50 for lock (that presumably would no longer be usable if bike got stolen). $50 miscellaneous (saddle bag, tube, random odds and ends). So pushing the $1000 mark. No computer on it, and lights and frame pump get removed every time. I consider $1000 to be an acceptable risk. It would suck to lose it, but it would be more of an emotional issue than a financial issue. And it's unassuming enough a bike it shouldn't be a big theft-magnet. That's my problem with a higher end commuter... it's not that I can't afford a loss, it's that it would attract way too much attention, making the likelihood of theft much higher. If it were just a bigger loss with the same likelihood, I wouldn't care so much.

By the way, never assume any parking scenario is safe. A company I consult for had an employee have a bike stolen. Locked in a parking structure with surveillance. Security guard saw the thief (head sock on, bolt cutter in hand) walking in and immediately walked over to question the thief. Before he got there, lock was cut through and bike was gone.
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I think theives tend to go for bikes and parts and parts that are easy to steal over the actual value.
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I just bought (used) my new commuter for 550.00 $CAD (KHS Flight 500 wi Shimano105). My old commuter was a 500$ SS track-bike that was stolen from a very public location outside my office. Those theives can be brazen!
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Originally Posted by jyossarian
I'd worry more about vandalism than theft.
I agree with that! My commuter beater is an old Cannondale that has lived in two basements in excess of 10 years. It only cost about $250 get ship shape, but I'd be more pissed about some Clowns taking pipe to it or stripping it more than outright theft.
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Old 02-03-06, 02:39 PM
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2 bikes:

Bike 1: Repl cost: $700ish. Studded tires: $115. Bike computer: $20, Rack/fenders: $70. NR Taillight: $70. Bento Box (for the battery): $15. Frame Pump: $20 bottle cages: $30 Total: $1040.

Bike 2: Repl cost(assuming I'd replace and rebuild my JTS, which I wouldn't, I'd get a Jamis Nova, a LHT or Cross-check): $1200. New Cranks: 250, New bottom bracket: $25, New cassette: $40, New rear derailleur: $65, new rack: $30, Bottle cages: $30, Fenders: $30, NR Taillight: $70. Bento Box: $15...and probably some stuff I forgot...Total: $1,755.

I keep my bike at work in the parking ramp in plain sight of a security camera. If I lose bike 2 I'm going to be devastated and thrilled at the same time....I get to buy a new bike! Insurance won't cover them for me since my deductible is $2000.
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I avoiding locking a bike like the plague. I had thoughts of getting a beater, like an early 90s Fuji I saw on Craigslist, but chose instead to get a nice folder. It's a great solution if you have an office where you can put your folder.
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Originally Posted by DogBoy
Insurance won't cover them for me since my deductible is $2000.
You can get a rider on your insurance policy that could get you a deductible of only $100. Of course, this varies dramatically from one insurer to another. The last time I checked, I would pay an extra $2 per $100 over $1000 per year for a specially insured bike. For you, your expensive bike would cost $14/year to insure against theft with a $100 deductible. Something to think about...
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I've even thought about ugly-ing up the bike by sanding off all the paint but ultimately decided that was stupid Kinda wish all the decals were stickers and not covered by clearcoat so I could peel it off. I used to do this with my bikes back when I was younger. I think the giant 'FUJI' all across it will be more attractive to theives than just some random blue bike. Same things that make them sell in the store make them 'sell' on the street if you know what I mean.

I'm gonna grab the Royale though because even though it's $1000 at retail it's not going to be that much for me buying used - it'd be like losing the Absolute from a financial perspective. It's just the idea of having a 'pricey' bike that gets me.

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About $1,000 for my road bike. Since my office won't allow bikes inside, I ride 4 - one way trips a week and keep the bike in my car during the day.
I do have a 10 year old - very low milage steel framed Schwin junker that I will lock up outside. It's 30lbs and rides slow for the effort.
It was a $10 yard sale bike . Now if i can find a modern road, hybrid, or mtn for < $100
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I have a 18 km commute each way. I don't always go the whole distance, so I have $50 beaters at transit stops. They are locked to a fence with two locks. One lock also holds a helmet.

In good weather I bike the distance in an old, but still good customized Giant Cypress. In bad weather (read:winter) I bike the Cypress as far as I can and take the subway/RT and pick up the beater for the final 3 km's. It's about a 20/ 40 split. 20 minutes on the transit and 40 minutes on the bike.

Beater: $50
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Secret: 2 wheels=2 locks

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Bike $1500.00
Changes from stock (cassette, tires, fork, brakes) $600.00
Accessories (lights, rack, panneirs, etc) $500.00

Telling my wife Its a $200.00 beater...priceless
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