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Old 03-10-06, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainKurt99
So what did you do?
i kept riding (he was stalking me from behind) until i got to where i was turning off and yelled to him that it was illegal, he blabbed something else incoherant over the speaker and i still kept going. he did a u-turn and left me alone. weird.
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I get that or they honk and point at the sidewalk. I usually sit up and point at my crotch.

Someday, I'm going to make up a shirt. No graphics, just big, bold letters:

Share the ROAD.
NOT the LANE.
Itís the LAW.
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Originally Posted by igloomaster
I've lost count of how many drivers have yelled at me out their windows
about their preference for me to ride on the sidewalk instead of their road.
. . . GARAGE!
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Old 03-10-06, 12:21 PM
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I haven't been told to GTF off the road either. I have been told to move TF over or GTF outta the way though.

edit: Sort of on topic, I saw some young knucklehead on mtb flying up the sidewalk on 3rd Ave. near 34th St. today. I commented to my co-worker he should be on the street cuz he's a menace on the sidewalk at the speed he was going and my co-worker agreed. A minute later we saw the same numbskull riding the wrong way down 3rd Ave in the street and bunny hop the curb in front of us, do a wheelie into a stoppie. I was about to say something, but my impulse was to punch him in the face so I didn't say anything. Yet another reason bikes shouldn't be on sidewalks. Most people would ride in a safe and responsible manner. But the ones that don't would be incredibly dangerous.
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Old 03-10-06, 12:23 PM
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I've thought about one time doing my commute using sidewalk only to time the difference vs street and also show all the hazards thru video. But I really don't want to take the risk, nor the hassle.

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Originally Posted by krispistoferson
The most upsetting thing about being yelled at to get on the sidewalk is:

In this town, about %70 of the roads don't even HAVE sidewalks, so not only does the motorist have no concept of "sharing the road," the fat ****s have probably never been a pedestrian, either. I always laugh when someone yells it on a road that obviously has no sidewalk.
Yeah, I've noticed that alot too. We have sidewalks and bike lanes that appear and disappear at intermittent intervals along some roads. Plus the sidewalks and bike paths are notoriously full of rubbish or snow.

I've only had one complaint about my being on the road in the last year. I mostly try to stay out of the way (especially with faster moving traffic). My commute route was chosen to avoid the busy intersections and high traffic narrow roads.

Edit: There are two points on my route where I get out in traffic and make cars wait if needed. One is a left turn on a busy 4 lane road. The other is a busy 4 way stop where I cross another 4 lane road. Otherwise, my route is mostly county road or low traffic residential streets. My one "get off the road" incident occurred at the left turn.

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Old 03-10-06, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TuckertonRR
What part of Philly you in? by far most of the yellings have been in the NE area. ... not really toomany issues other than the honking & cutting me off in CC & UC areas..
yea but blowing a cager a kiss near Genos' ... I gotta try that...!!!!
i am in the northwest (andorra) and ride into centercity.

i am amazed you ride up to the northeast by bike. some people are scared of west philly; me i am scared of the northeast. probably just cause i don't make it up there too much... but i don't feel like i am missing anything. please correct me if i am wrong
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here at my university joggers like to jog 2 or three abreast on the sidewalk. once i was behind some and rang my bell to no result, then loudly shouted EXCUSE ME!
Suddenly those women turned and told me that i'm not supposed to be riding on the sidewalk and I need to respect their rights!! OH and I suppose they know all seeing that everyone commuting to class on a bicycle is breaking the law and disrespecting pedestrians.
They know nothing of respect or law when they hog the entire pathway and complain about rules they are breaking! i was so pi$$ed.
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Originally Posted by rat_factory
here at my university joggers like to jog 2 or three abreast on the sidewalk. once i was behind some and rang my bell to no result, then loudly shouted EXCUSE ME!
Suddenly those women turned and told me that i'm not supposed to be riding on the sidewalk and I need to respect their rights!! OH and I suppose they know all seeing that everyone commuting to class on a bicycle is breaking the law and disrespecting pedestrians.
They know nothing of respect or law when they hog the entire pathway and complain about rules they are breaking! i was so pi$$ed.
I hope you ment MUP (multi-use path) and not "sidewalk". Sidewalks are no place for cyclists and it is quite likely illegal to ride on one. I know my local town forbids it. So the joggers, while rude, were probably correct.
Now ofcourse many users of MUPs tend to have the same attitude. I do agree that even on MUPs you should keep your speeds low. Our local metro parks have an extensive MUP network that mostly follows the roads. I nearly always stay on the roads because the MUPs are not safe to ride above 10mph due to other traffic.
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Old 03-10-06, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rjkresse
Heh. A couple of days ago, a jogger yelled at me to get off the bike trail.
Odd, isn't it? That's happened to me in many states/cities. Signs at all the entrances read: Bike Path or Multi-Use Bike Path etc. With various "Share the Path Walk, Run, Rollerblade, Bike Use Only" signage. Then walkers, joggers yell at me for being on the path or for riding on the right and passing left. Can't win, can we?


Originally Posted by RB1-luvr
i kept riding (he was stalking me from behind) until i got to where i was turning off and yelled to him that it was illegal, he blabbed something else incoherant over the speaker and i still kept going. he did a u-turn and left me alone. weird.
I've read similar experiences on this forum before. Personally, I'd love to get this ticket, go to court and have the judge give the guy a little lecture in motor vehicle codes. Since knowing something about them may actually be in the cops job description. Sucks to go to court but there would be some satisfaction there. Somewhere. Is giving the finger to a cop illegal?

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Old 03-10-06, 02:14 PM
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Funny thought... It seems to be a socially acceptable behaviour to yell at bicyclists to get off the road, what would it be like if a bicyclist were to randomly yell at cars driving by... something tells me that would not be acceptable behaviour (maybe fun to do though)
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Old 03-10-06, 02:32 PM
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hmmmm, I may just have to start designing the "REQUEST CANNON" tonight........
Maybe you can use the Film cannister cannon from "Gonzo Gizmos and Gadgets" as a basis. It uses binoca as a fuel. Probably would be considered an IED, the way the FBI categorizes things, however. I think you would drain your airzound with one usage.
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Originally Posted by max-a-mill
i am in the northwest (andorra) and ride into centercity.

i am amazed you ride up to the northeast by bike. some people are scared of west philly; me i am scared of the northeast. probably just cause i don't make it up there too much... but i don't feel like i am missing anything. please correct me if i am wrong
my parents are in the northeast and it's 15mi to CC; the first time was brutal, but I have a few good routes picked out & it's not bad now when I get up there. Have only ridden through Powelton & Mantua, and a few times on Baltimore Av in West Philly, go through South Phila all the time....most goofiness I think defineitely is in the NE...

Andorra to CC? wow, that's far! What's that like 20 miles almost?
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I just had an arguement about this with a co-worker yesterday. He rides a motorcycle and thinks that bikes should only be allowed on the sidewalk because it is safer for them. I tried to point out that bike are considered vehicles under CA law which he couldn't quite wrap his head around. He also couldn't understand that it is even more dangerous for a person to ride on the sidewalk because the cars that hardly see you out on the street sure as hell don't see you when they are making their right hand turns into a parking lot or a fast-food joint when you are riding on the sidewalk. I scared to think that he has never even noticed that every major street in my city has a sectioned off area to the right lane with big white letters that say BIKE LANE ONLY.
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I think, when you're conversing with drivers who insist bikers should be on the sidewalk, a convincing argument is that drivers pulling out of parking lots or driveways always look down the street for oncoming traffic. They don't look at the sidewalk (which they're often blocking anyway). Splat. And speaking of blocking the sidewalk -- cars tend to barrel across the sidewalk and not stop until they're straddling it in anticipation of pulling out onto the road. I've almost been hit countless times when I'm on the sidewalk on foot, and in those cases, it's not too difficult to react and stop walking before they run me over (but not always). I can't imagine being able to stop fast enough when I'm on a bike heading at a 90 degree angle to them.
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thanks to the South-Jersey-Bicycle-Coalitition knowledge, i know know that that the city i live in has a $500.00 dollar fine and 6 month county jail penalty for any-one (except bicycle-police) riding their bicycle on the sidewalks here (Laws # 175.1 + 175.2). also, i was reminded of NJ state specific statutes 39.4 - 14-1 and 2 about road use/behavior legally recognised for bicyclists.
i got the above info after a POLICE OFFICER (uniformed) told me to be on the sidewalk or receive summons next time. wish i had this info at that time.
i like to respond when cager yells "get off the road" with 'thank you', (while waving HI).
check out your local rules and regs, link with your bicycle coalition, spin safe!
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The only person who ever told me to get out of the street was a pedestrian on the sidewalk. He gave me an interminable lecture while I was waiting for a light. I couldn't get him to stop screaming at me to get on the sidewalk. He was certain I would be killed otherwise.
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Sdhikes, That happened to me today. I was yelled back "why, so I can run your'e fat a** over." I was flying at 32.6 mph when I went by him. I had a 15 MPH tial wind today.
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Originally Posted by CBBaron
I hope you ment MUP (multi-use path) and not "sidewalk". Sidewalks are no place for cyclists and it is quite likely illegal to ride on one. I know my local town forbids it. So the joggers, while rude, were probably correct.
Now ofcourse many users of MUPs tend to have the same attitude. I do agree that even on MUPs you should keep your speeds low. Our local metro parks have an extensive MUP network that mostly follows the roads. I nearly always stay on the roads because the MUPs are not safe to ride above 10mph due to other traffic.
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no, this was the university paved ways that lead up to the class room doors and biek racks. me and about 2k other cyclists use these. and the only rule on campus (paved ways for bikes, stoller, people, etc.) is no motorized vehicles. so while the law in my city actually lets one ride on either, it is impossible to park a bike at the racks, without using the 'sidewalks', or MUP, i suppose. Also i've never in my 3 years here encountered someone who thought bicycles were not allowed. and of course i ride on the road while off campus ways to avoid being killed by texas 4x4 cagers on cell phones .
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I got a lecture (about sidewalk riding) at a stoplight from a guy who claimed to be a drivers education instructor. I did notice the "student driver" sign on the back. Couldn't believe my ears. No wonder people are so ignorant -- their teachers don't know the law.
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In Minnesota, bikes are supposed to ride in the righthand gutter (or as near to that as practical). I usually comply with that. The awkward thing about it is when you come upon right turn lanes and you don't want to turn right. I ride on the line between the right turn lane and the going straight lane.

The other time I leave the gutter is when I want to turn left. It can be a challenge getting into the flow of traffic when they are used to you being out of the way in the right gutter. If it's too busy, I'll turn right on a lesser street, U-turn, and wait at the light to cross.

I think the Minnesota law is reasonable. In most situations, I don't go near as fast as the cars.
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Originally Posted by squeakywheel
In Minnesota, bikes are supposed to ride in the righthand gutter (or as near to that as practical). I usually comply with that. The awkward thing about it is when you come upon right turn lanes and you don't want to turn right. I ride on the line between the right turn lane and the going straight lane.

The other time I leave the gutter is when I want to turn left. It can be a challenge getting into the flow of traffic when they are used to you being out of the way in the right gutter. If it's too busy, I'll turn right on a lesser street, U-turn, and wait at the light to cross.

I think the Minnesota law is reasonable. In most situations, I don't go near as fast as the cars.
In Minnesota you don't have to ride as far to the right as practible if the lane is narrow:

Minnesota Statute 169.222 Operation of bicycle

" Subd. 4. Riding on roadway or shoulder. (a) Every
person operating a bicycle upon a roadway shall ride as close as
practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except
under any of the following situations:

(1) when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding
in the same direction;

(2) when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or
into a private road or driveway;

(3) when reasonably necessary to avoid conditions,
including fixed or moving objects, vehicles, pedestrians,
animals, surface hazards, or narrow width lanes, that make it
unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge. "

So if the thru lane is narrow you can ride in the middle of it legally.
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The thing I find so strange is that very often the people chose to make these statements in places where the speed limit is between 10 and 20mph...and I'm basically keeping up with traffic. I suppose it's easier to yell things at those speeds, but it strikes me as odd that they do it under the circumstances where I am causing little to no inconvience in the first place.

I live on a Parway here in Minneapolis and the speed linit is 25. I hear this all the time.
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Well, while walking to the bike store and back along peachtree road today (~3miles each way) I had some guy yell at me that I should "Get a car". So apparently it's not just the bikes these people hate, but anyone not in a car.

I also had a bike messenger buzz me on the sidewalk and yell "BOO!" at me, which I thought was rude and uncalled for /shrug.
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Originally Posted by ecpike
Funny thought... It seems to be a socially acceptable behaviour to yell at bicyclists to get off the road, what would it be like if a bicyclist were to randomly yell at cars driving by... something tells me that would not be acceptable behaviour (maybe fun to do though)
I only yell a motorists who have come quite close to buzzing me or not giving enough space to safely pass. So it's not random. I swear, 30 secs into a recent commute (I just turned left out of my driveway) I nearly got taken out by a passing van's mirror. So I yell "Slow down!". Naturally, the driver took offense, stopped dead in the middle of the road, stepped out of the vehicle and started yelling at me. An argument ensued over whether or not I had a right to use the road. He left before an approaching cop could get any closer.

What did I do? Well, it was a commercial plumbing van, and I called his office up and reported him. They apologized for their employee's behavior, and would most definitely have a talk with him. Turns out that a number of them are avid cyclists. Plus, it's embarassing for an employee to be arguing with a cyclist in the middle of a busy street.

In retrospect, I should have yelled, "Share the road!" Nah, the dude had chip on his shoulder...
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