Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Commuting
Reload this Page >

Lost a job because of my bike....

Notices
Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

Lost a job because of my bike....

Old 08-09-06, 08:55 PM
  #51  
gizmocat
MamaWheelie
 
gizmocat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 143

Bikes: a 1974 Raleigh Twenty and a 2005 Trek 7200

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Big Producer definitely didn't do coke. I can't mention who he was but he's one of the Biggest of the Big.
And no, you can't claim discrimination for making a bad impression on a job interview. Hygiene is a really, really bad issue to bring up--and never ask for favors til after you have the job!
gizmocat is offline  
Old 08-09-06, 09:02 PM
  #52  
TomM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Ville des Lumières
Posts: 1,028

Bikes: Trek5000

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 30 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 39 Times in 25 Posts
Originally Posted by lyledriver
WTF!?!?!

I thought all companies had 'environmental initiatives' and 'wellness committee's by now.
Like place of employment. You should see the strange looks I get from the overweight people driving their SUVs when I ride in to work on my bike. These committee's only provide people a chance to get their picture in the company newsletter.
TomM is offline  
Old 08-09-06, 09:58 PM
  #53  
JohnBrooking
Commuter
 
JohnBrooking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Southern Maine
Posts: 2,568

Bikes: 2006 Giant Cypress EX (7-speed internal hub)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by cooperwx
I'm considering asking my supervisor for access to the showers here in the bldg. Think I'll stick with the bathroom clean-up now.
Well, of course I don't know your company, but I would think if you've been working there a while, and there are already showers in the building, you might as well ask. Your supervisor must already know you bike, doesn't s/he? So it shouldn't exactly be a bolt from the blue.
JohnBrooking is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 04:53 AM
  #54  
gizmocat
MamaWheelie
 
gizmocat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 143

Bikes: a 1974 Raleigh Twenty and a 2005 Trek 7200

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Not if the supervisor knows you. It's just not something you mention during a job interview.
gizmocat is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 05:51 AM
  #55  
Lucky07
Ride 365
 
Lucky07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NYC/UpperDutchess, NY
Posts: 1,882

Bikes: '06 Cannondale Six 13 Pro 2, '05 Specialized Allez Elite, '04 Jamis Satellite, 90's Raleigh M-45 single speed conversion, 80's Fuji Team single speed conversion, 70's Schwinn World Sport

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
First off, yes it's not a great strategy to provide too much info at a job interview. "I'm addicted to "LOST" or "I've obsessed with SPINNING!" and "I do yoga for 2 hours every morning" fall into that category...

But basing a hire on biking? That's discrimination. What if you had told them you took the bus, or (god forbid) walked to work?! A company can't NOT hire you based on mode of transportation. That's discriminatory. I'd contact the local agency that handles such cases.
And as someone pointed out, companies in the US are getting alot of pressure now to diversify their workforce. This flies in the face of that initiative.
I work for a company that provides a bike room and my co-workers are tolerant, amused and sometimes enthusiastic that I ride a bike to work.
Lucky07 is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 05:59 AM
  #56  
cyclezealot
Senior Member
 
cyclezealot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Fallbrook,Calif./Palau del Vidre, France
Posts: 13,222

Bikes: Klein QP, Fuji touring, Surly Cross Check, BCH City bike

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1480 Post(s)
Liked 71 Times in 63 Posts
In California your bike commute would get the company tax credits for air pollution abatement programs. Not that all California companies are still 'enlightened.' And with the world's energy problems. Outa be a law against such discrimination. Proabably be a lousy company to work for if they are that short sighted.
Some companies have even been known to have a company cycling team. They should have hired you with an extra incentive.
Late for work. What a bunch of crap. I was usually late for work when driving a car due to rediciolous traffic. Biking, I was usually even early.
cyclezealot is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 08:30 AM
  #57  
LittleBigMan
Sumanitu taka owaci
 
LittleBigMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 8,945
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Bearminder
The department head was friendly and asked me when I could start...Since this job is only 5 miles from my house, I was thinking of riding my bike. I mentioned this to him...He got a strange look on his face...The conversation changed tones quickly....It ended with an "We'll get back to you."

...the choice was made based on my desire to commute by bike to work...Past experience had taught them that bike commuters were not reliable.
Funny. I ride my bike 30 miles round trip almost every work day, and my attendance has probably been better than any of my co-workers. Bottom line, you can count on me arriving on time every day and taking fewer sick days than most. One manager has an hour-long drive, and my bike ride is also one hour. I could often expect him a few minutes later than me due to traffic jams.

This morning, I had planned on taking the train because I was feeling low yesterday. I rode in anyway and the ride perked me up considerably. If this happened 15 years ago, before I took up cycling to work, I might have called in sick.
__________________
No worries
LittleBigMan is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 11:09 AM
  #58  
Alox
Perma-clyde
 
Alox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 198

Bikes: '05 Stumpy FSR 120, REK TEK Blitzkreig (Commuter)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
[IRONY]Serves you right for interviewing at an OIL company[/IRONY]
Alox is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 11:34 AM
  #59  
shokhead
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 4,665

Bikes: 2012 Trek Madone 6.2

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LittleBigMan
Funny. I ride my bike 30 miles round trip almost every work day, and my attendance has probably been better than any of my co-workers. Bottom line, you can count on me arriving on time every day and taking fewer sick days than most. One manager has an hour-long drive, and my bike ride is also one hour. I could often expect him a few minutes later than me due to traffic jams.

This morning, I had planned on taking the train because I was feeling low yesterday. I rode in anyway and the ride perked me up considerably. If this happened 15 years ago, before I took up cycling to work, I might have called in sick.
I've got 700 hours of sick leave,i'm calling in sick.
shokhead is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 11:50 AM
  #60  
Phantoj
Certifiable Bike "Expert"
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 5,647
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Lucky07
But basing a hire on biking? That's discrimination.
Isn't hiring really the process of discrimination? Selecting what the employer thinks is the best candidate for the job? Was "mode of transportation" included in the Civil Rights Act or any subsequent additions?

Yes, it was discrimination, but not illegal discrimination.
Phantoj is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 11:50 AM
  #61  
DogBoy
No one carries the DogBoy
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Upper Midwest USA
Posts: 2,320

Bikes: Roubaix Expert Di2, Jamis Renegade, Surly Disc Trucker, Cervelo P2, CoMotion Tandem

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
When interviewing my company has a policy of not asking anything not directly related to the job requirements. That includes "do you have a car" unless having a car is required such as in a delivery job. What we can ask is "This job requires that you arrive by 8:00am each morning...can you meet this requirement?" We were told by HR that to do otherwise opens you up to lawsuits.

I'd run it past a lawyer but don't expect much to happen. If nothing else, them getting contacted by a lawyer will let them know not to do it again....tell the reason for not hiring that is...
DogBoy is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 04:55 PM
  #62  
bhchdh 
Senior Member
 
bhchdh's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Hampton Roads VA
Posts: 1,788

Bikes: '07 Trek 520, '09 Gary Fisher Triton, '04 Trek 8000, '85 Trek 500, '84 Trek 610, '85 Trek 510, '88 Trek 660, '92 Trek 930, Trek Multitrack 700

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Lucky07
First off, yes it's not a great strategy to provide too much info at a job interview. "I'm addicted to "LOST" or "I've obsessed with SPINNING!" and "I do yoga for 2 hours every morning" fall into that category...

But basing a hire on biking? That's discrimination. What if you had told them you took the bus, or (god forbid) walked to work?! A company can't NOT hire you based on mode of transportation. That's discriminatory. I'd contact the local agency that handles such cases.
And as someone pointed out, companies in the US are getting alot of pressure now to diversify their workforce. This flies in the face of that initiative.
I work for a company that provides a bike room and my co-workers are tolerant, amused and sometimes enthusiastic that I ride a bike to work.

Of course you are right, it is discrimination. But there are very few things that are protected from discrimination in hiring ( Race, religion, sex etc... ), it is perfectly legal to discriminate for many other reasons ( criminal record, lack of required skill, current drug abuse etc... ). And like I said before, I do not think bicycling is protected.
bhchdh is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 05:07 PM
  #63  
SingingSabre 
BF's Level 12 Wizard
 
SingingSabre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Secret mobile lair
Posts: 1,425

Bikes: Diamondback Sorrento turned Xtracycle commuter

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Contact the ACLU and see what they say. You might have a case, although I doubt it.
SingingSabre is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 05:10 PM
  #64  
withak
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 101
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It's a conscious lifestyle choice you make (though one might say the same about religion), so if someone doesn't want to hire you because of it then they are free to do so.

I wouldn't have brought that up in a buyer's market though. If you are trying to pick from several employers who have made you offers then their friendliness to bike commuters might be important. If you need them a lot more than they need you though, then the forgiveness vs. permission rule applies.
withak is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 05:12 PM
  #65  
banerjek
Portland Fred
 
banerjek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 11,548

Bikes: Custom Winter, Challenge Seiran SL, Fuji Team Pro, Cattrike Road/Velokit, РOS hybrid

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 232 Post(s)
Liked 51 Times in 33 Posts
Originally Posted by gizmocat
Personal hygiene is important on most jobs and you should bring Handi-Wipes or your own towel and washcloth and tidy up in a restroom after you arrive (whether on a bike or in a car is no matter.)
I had to join a health club to the tune of $700/yr just so I can shower. At most professional jobs, you're expected to contribute to a certain atmosphere. In general, clicking in on your cleats and mucking about with stinky clothes detracts from the image some places want to project.

To be honest, I think you'll find a better job somewhere else. If you really lost the job just because of you wanted to bike to work and didn't indicate that you would resist company policies, it's a sign that employees of the company are subject to arbitrary treatment.
banerjek is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 05:16 PM
  #66  
genec
genec
 
genec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West Coast
Posts: 27,049

Bikes: custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2

Mentioned: 77 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12849 Post(s)
Liked 4,090 Times in 2,830 Posts
Originally Posted by cyclezealot
In California your bike commute would get the company tax credits for air pollution abatement programs.
Whoa... how does that work... I would like to use this to encourage cycle commuting.
genec is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 05:17 PM
  #67  
caloso
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 40,774

Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2912 Post(s)
Liked 2,967 Times in 1,362 Posts
Here's just the guy to take this case:


caloso is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 05:31 PM
  #68  
bikingshearer 
Crawlin' up, flyin' down
 
bikingshearer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Democratic Peoples' Republic of Berkeley
Posts: 4,714

Bikes: 1967 Paramount; 1982-ish Ron Cooper; 1978 Eisentraut "A"; two mid-1960s Cinelli Speciale Corsas; and others in various stages of non-rideability.

Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 551 Post(s)
Liked 907 Times in 455 Posts
Originally Posted by Phantoj
Isn't hiring really the process of discrimination? Selecting what the employer thinks is the best candidate for the job? Was "mode of transportation" included in the Civil Rights Act or any subsequent additions?

Yes, it was discrimination, but not illegal discrimination.
Bingo, Phantoj. There are federal and (in California, at least) state statutes dealing with employment discrimination based on race, gender, ethnicity, religion, disability, age, and probably one or two other factors I am forgetting now. However, there is absolutely no statute concerning discrimination based on mode of transportation.

What everyone has to remember is that there is no law, criminal or civil, that prohibits being a jerk. Someone can refuse to hire me because I have a spot on my shirt or because I look a little like some kid they used to hate or because I like to ride a bike to work. It may be stupid, and it may even be bad business, but it is not actionable and it is not illegal. Most things you dislike about someone or what they are doing probably fall into that category - it's part of the human condition, unfortunately.
__________________
"I'm in shape -- round is a shape." Andy Rooney
bikingshearer is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 05:34 PM
  #69  
TimJ
Senior Member
 
TimJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,959
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
That sucks, and doesn't surprise me a bit. You don't have to be rational, reasonable, considerate, or even smart to be the head of anything; a department, a company, a superpower... Sort-of dumb people are often in management because dumb folks tend to be more arrogant and have more self-confidence than not-dumb people (they're too dumb to realize they're dumb- it's true, there have been studies), and in the corporate world stupid confidence and arrogance beat not being a loud idiot every time. You know, they seem like perfectly normal, fine people until confronted with something they don't automatically understand. Being dumb there's a lot they don't understand, and being dumb they have a harder time understanding things, but being dumb means they don't know they don't understand. Rather, being so dumb that they cannot accurately self-assess and therefore think themselves to be very smart, if something they don't understand crosses their line of vision it gets translated into "that thing is bad". If they were smart they'd consider the thing and figure it out. But, they're dumb so they just assume anything out of the ordinary (that is, out of their smart, correct world) is a thing to be avoided.

Yeah, I'm kind of in a "stupid madmen control the world" mood right now.
TimJ is offline  
Old 08-10-06, 06:29 PM
  #70  
mcavana
the commutor / tourer
 
mcavana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: jacksonville fl
Posts: 626

Bikes: trek 6700 turned touring machine, giant TCR2

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Here is what will most likely be an unpopular response...

This was totally your fault, and you should have known better. There was nothing wrong with that company, and nothing wrong with the hiring manager.

That manager and that company was just like 99% of all the companies and managers out there. Companies have to put so much money into training employees... There is huge pressure amongst the hiring managers to pick people that will produce consistantly and last for the long hall.

The fact is, a "normal" person would see someone who rides a bike to work every day as someone with personal "issues." either they don't have a license, don't have a car, or just have a totally unstable personal life. With turnover so high at these companies when hiring "normal" people, no way they are going to even consider hiring somebody with a life so "f'd" up that they are "forced" to ride a bicycle to work.

I hope everyone learns from this. Unless the hiring manager has a bicycle behind his desk, do NOT mention bike commuting during the hiring process... You might as well start convulsing and foaming at the mouth as you ask about the companies FMLA and WORKERS COMP policies.

not trying to be an a$$... just speaking the truth.


Mike
__________________
"Ready to retire, just can't afford it yet!"
mcavana is offline  
Old 08-11-06, 07:24 AM
  #71  
shokhead
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 4,665

Bikes: 2012 Trek Madone 6.2

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I said that back at #22,you dont talk about your bike or biking in a job interview.
shokhead is offline  
Old 08-11-06, 08:11 AM
  #72  
DataJunkie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 14,277
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
I also said it but a tad more tactfully. In fact, quite a few of the responses said the same thing.
There is no reason to make the OP feel like crap. Just a simple honest to goodness mistake. Live and learn.
DataJunkie is offline  
Old 08-11-06, 08:26 AM
  #73  
Sawtooth
All Bikes All The Time
 
Sawtooth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 2,343

Bikes: Giant TCR 0, Lemond Zurich, Giant NRS 1, Jamis Explorer Beater/Commuter, Peugeot converted single speed

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I still suspect the OP is better off. It is not like he is out on the streets; this would have been a step up on pay but a step down in lifestyle. Only he can do that math.
Sawtooth is offline  
Old 08-11-06, 08:30 AM
  #74  
shokhead
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 4,665

Bikes: 2012 Trek Madone 6.2

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by DataJunkie
I also said it but a tad more tactfully. In fact, quite a few of the responses said the same thing.
There is no reason to make the OP feel like crap. Just a simple honest to goodness mistake. Live and learn.
Nobody is making him feel like crap,he's learning something about the interview.
shokhead is offline  
Old 08-11-06, 09:08 AM
  #75  
DataJunkie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 14,277
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Not you. The post above you seemed a tad rude. I was actually agreeing with your statement.
DataJunkie is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.