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Old 08-31-06, 01:18 AM
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early surly cross check with reynolds vs. new cross check

Can anyone here tell me the differences between the older model cross checks and the current cross checks? I know the older model had reynolds 631 steel and is set up for a one inch threaded stem. Any other differences? I remember reading that surly switched to the 4130 cromo frames because the original frame with reynolds steel weighed the same as the 4130 but failed more often....is this true? can anyone verify this? I would think the older model would weigh less considering it is made with reynolds 631 double butted steel. Does the older version have braze-ons for rack and fenders like the newer version?

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Originally Posted by Donkey Hodie
Can anyone here tell me the differences between the older model cross checks and the current cross checks? I know the older model had reynolds 631 steel and is set up for a one inch threaded stem. Any other differences? I remember reading that surly switched to the 4130 cromo frames because the original frame with reynolds steel weighed the same as the 4130 but failed more often....is this true? can anyone verify this? I would think the older model would weigh less considering it is made with reynolds 631 double butted steel. Does the older version have braze-ons for rack and fenders like the newer version?

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I think the earlier versions might only have one set of eyelets in the back.
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And the first generation of 4130s only had one eyelet front and back. The newer 4130s are set up much more like a light touring bike.
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And the first generation of 4130s only had one eyelet front and back. The newer 4130s are set up much more like a light touring bike.
Downtube bosses / cable stops. One of my 4130's has bosses, the other one has cable stops.
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Originally Posted by Donkey Hodie
Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.
Have you tried asking Surly directly. They seem to be a friendly enough bunch.
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The reason im asking is because there is an older 2003 blue cross check that might possibly be available to me. Are the newer 4130 crosschecks a better value than the older reynolds 631 models? Basically I will be using it for daily excercise and rides to the store....eventually I will want to make it a single speed with big fatty tires, but until I get a dedicated road bike excercise machine I will use the cross check for basic excercise rides.

Also, Im 6 feet 1-3/4 inches tall but with a short pubic bone height of around 31 inches. Im like a gorilla....long arms and torso but short pubic bone height(even though I feel like I have longer legs than average. You think a 58 cm would be a good size? Im worried that the 58 cm would have a too high of a stand over height but a perfect reach, and that the 56 cm would have a perfect stand over height but bad reach.
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Originally Posted by Donkey Hodie
The reason im asking is because there is an older 2003 blue cross check that might possibly be available to me. Are the newer 4130 crosschecks a better value than the older reynolds 631 models? Basically I will be using it for daily excercise and rides to the store....eventually I will want to make it a single speed with big fatty tires, but until I get a dedicated road bike excercise machine I will use the cross check for basic excercise rides.

Also, Im 6 feet 1-3/4 inches tall but with a short pubic bone height of around 31 inches. Im like a gorilla....long arms and torso but short pubic bone height(even though I feel like I have longer legs than average. You think a 58 cm would be a good size? Im worried that the 58 cm would have a too high of a stand over height but a perfect reach, and that the 56 cm would have a perfect stand over height but bad reach.
I'm 6'2" with a 34 inch inseam. I'm riding a 2005 Cross Check in a 58 and it fits well. I test road a 56 just for kicks and it felt way too small. I think you described it well, In your situation it looks like you have a choice between running a long stem on a 56 or potential standover issues with a 58. If you plan to run huge tires I would go smaller.

As far as value goes, I think they've always been at about the same price point. If Surly isn't full of it about there being breakage issues with the 631 frames they probably broke from being abused off road. If you plan on doing this it might be somthing to consider. I've never directly compared the Cross Check design in 4130 and 631, but my 631 Soma Rush is a little more of a resilient ride and has a little more "zing" to it but doesn't feel quite as sturdy. I test rode a 631 Soma Double Cross before getting the Surly and that kind of confirmed my impressions of the two materials.
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I dont plan on doing any serious off-roading with it, but I would like to take it on dirt roads, fire trails, and mild dirt paths. Nothing too technical.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1
this is the cross check that I am looking at. Any opinions?
I have the opportunity to test ride this bike before the auction ends.
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I thought the 631 tubing was before 2003. Looks like a good deal if you're confident in the description. Absolutely go take it for a test ride if you can. I'm 6'1" with about 32" inseam and I ride a 58. With the cross geometry it's as big as I could ride and I've had to fiddle with the stem to get the reach correct. Nothing beats a real life test ride.
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I just called around to local bike shops asking about summer sales and whatnot, and one shop has the 06 58cm bianchi volpe for 700, and can order me a crosscheck complete for 789.00.
I had a 58cm bianchi san jose last spring which I had to sell unfortunately. The reach was very comfortable and the stand over was snug. I know the volpe and san jose have the same frame, so the 58cm volpe would fit me for sure.

The main thing that attracted me to the surly was the fat tires i could put on it. That and marqueemoon's cross check(nice bike!). Can anyone tell me the biggest sized tires that I could fit on the volpe?

I know that the volpe will fit based on the san jose I had(I really enjoyed that ride).

So what do you think? New cross check complete for 800, new volpe for 700, or take my chances with the ebay 03' cross check?

Thanks for all the responses.

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i've heard of someone going up to 38 with fenders on a volpe which is pretty wide, but still nothing compared to 45 on the CC--WITH fenders!! just depends on how fat you want to get.

other than that i think the main difference is the volpe comes stock with a triple cassette, which might come in handy if you've got hills. but the two bikes seem pretty similar with respect to frames (CrMo), components (Tiagra/Deore/mix) & geometry (i think the volpe might have slightly more fork rake, tho i don't know how much difference that really makes for just commuting.)

either way, looks like you've got a nice LBS, most places i've seen have both those bikes for at least $900 each. but if you can test that used one and get a good deal on it, that might be the way to go.
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Hi,
you need to know what you need for a top tube length. 58 sounds short
if you have a long torso. I also have short legs, I am 5'8" and my top tube is 56....
Go find a bike with a 60 top tube and test ride it.
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when i tested out the bianchis I tried the 62cm and 58cm san jose(same frame and geometry as the volpe) and the 62cm made me feel like i was more streched out a little too much in the drops. The hoods felt good though, but the stand over height was too high. The 58cm fit very nice. not as streched out as the 62cm, but not too scrunched up either...the stand over was snug.

Right now im riding an old 70's schwinn super le tour set up as a single speed that is definitely smaller than the 58cm bianchi. It feels pretty good though. Im definitely not streched out on it enough...i think i might get a longer stem for it. The stand over on the schwinn is perfect. even though the bike is a little small I can still ride it comfortably for the most part until my hands start to hurt. Its got flipped and chopped drop bars and I am thinking about maybe putting on some north road bars instead.

Anyways, I figured out I'm not quite where I need to be financially to buy the ebay cross check. I am going to try and get my ***** together and have enough saved for the bianchi volpe in a couple of weeks(hopefully). Until I can afford it I'm going to have to tackle my hilly area with the schwinn. I just need to switch out the 16 tooth freewheel cog for a 17 or 18t cog.

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wow....since I posted the link to the 03' cross check on ebay early this afternoon there have been 10 bids on it and the price went from 400 to 560. Good thing I just realized that I cant afford to drop cash on it this weekend...otherwise I would be kicking myself for posting the link. s'all good! much luck to all the bidders!

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