New GE HID 20w MR16 Bulb
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New GE HID 20w MR16 Bulb
For the lighting geeks in the audience:
https://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pr...stantcolor.htm
20 watts @ 80 lumens per watt = 1600 lumens. Lifetime of 12,000 hours. Fits in a standard MR-16 socket (but requires a HID ballast). It should be capable of being retrofitted into existing HID fixtures.
By comparison, the current industry standard is 675 lumens @ 13 watts.
Sounds almost too good to be true.
https://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pr...stantcolor.htm
20 watts @ 80 lumens per watt = 1600 lumens. Lifetime of 12,000 hours. Fits in a standard MR-16 socket (but requires a HID ballast). It should be capable of being retrofitted into existing HID fixtures.
By comparison, the current industry standard is 675 lumens @ 13 watts.
Sounds almost too good to be true.
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I would hate to be riding in the opposite direction of you on a bike path
I wonder how long a battery would last with this much light?
I wonder how long a battery would last with this much light?
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It's a 20-watt light. That will tell you how long your battery will last. It consumes 20-watts of power when it's burning. Just use the appropriate formula below.
P=watts I=amps R=ohms E=volts
Hint with a 12 volt battery it will draw about 1.72 amps not considering losses in the ballest and connections.
P=watts I=amps R=ohms E=volts
Hint with a 12 volt battery it will draw about 1.72 amps not considering losses in the ballest and connections.
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Very nice. I looked at the page, googled the model types. One is the GU(twist type) and the other showed a stnd twist socket in most lamp fixtures. I saw no mention of the pin type. I could have missed it though. Am I wrong or are y'all using the GU base?
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Originally Posted by DCCommuter
For the lighting geeks in the audience:
https://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pr...stantcolor.htm
20 watts @ 80 lumens per watt = 1600 lumens. Lifetime of 12,000 hours. Fits in a standard MR-16 socket (but requires a HID ballast). It should be capable of being retrofitted into existing HID fixtures.
By comparison, the current industry standard is 675 lumens @ 13 watts.
Sounds almost too good to be true.
https://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pr...stantcolor.htm
20 watts @ 80 lumens per watt = 1600 lumens. Lifetime of 12,000 hours. Fits in a standard MR-16 socket (but requires a HID ballast). It should be capable of being retrofitted into existing HID fixtures.
By comparison, the current industry standard is 675 lumens @ 13 watts.
Sounds almost too good to be true.
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Originally Posted by NeezyDeezy
lol it's 90 volts
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Originally Posted by jz19
Specs show that these are 3000 degrees Kelvin. Not as white as Solux bulbs but probably whiter than most other MR-16s. Does this mean that we could use the complete MR16 bulb (20-watt CMH® Precise MR16 lamp) in any MR-16 housing and end up with a home made HID?
I've seen kits for converting automobile headlights from halogen to HID. They consist of two HID bulbs and two ballasts and cost around $100. I haven't seen anything in an appropriate wattage for bikes.
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FYI, for the sake of this bulb, I'm pretty sure the trailtech ballast won't work, this GE lamp uses a twist and lock GX10 base while the trailtech ballasts use two prong straight connection, so there is no available ballast for this... yet?
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Originally Posted by DCCommuter
For the lighting geeks in the audience:
https://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pr...stantcolor.htm
20 watts @ 80 lumens per watt = 1600 lumens. Lifetime of 12,000 hours. Fits in a standard MR-16 socket (but requires a HID ballast). It should be capable of being retrofitted into existing HID fixtures.
By comparison, the current industry standard is 675 lumens @ 13 watts.
Sounds almost too good to be true.
https://www.geconsumerproducts.com/pr...stantcolor.htm
20 watts @ 80 lumens per watt = 1600 lumens. Lifetime of 12,000 hours. Fits in a standard MR-16 socket (but requires a HID ballast). It should be capable of being retrofitted into existing HID fixtures.
By comparison, the current industry standard is 675 lumens @ 13 watts.
Sounds almost too good to be true.
Lights like my 16 watt, 950 lumen HID bike light have been around for years, mine is three years old. There is a 28watt (2x14) that has been around for a couple of years, and Batteryspace is now selling a 30W HID bike light.
You need to match the ballast and the circuity to the different bulb power. You can't put an MR-16 bulb in any existing bike lights. They are mr-11 bulbs, but you need a 20 w ballast anyway.
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We are all spending too much money!
I too drool and ogle over the latest gear and "newest" technology introduced to the bike market.
But alas, can't/won't spend $2-300+ for the latest "greatest" light.
I just went over to Costco and bought a 12$ 4-pack of AAA LEDs.
I put rechargeable NiMh batteries in them , attached 2 to my helmet, and 2 to my bike.
(attaching them was the tricky part.It involved velcro straps and old mounts from various equipment.)
My digital Head trip is starting to "trip" out on me after 5 years of solid use.
My ride starts at 6AM, well before the sun rises. I ride at an average speed of (+/-)15 mph, through typical suburban/urban streets that are both brightly lit to dark, where traffic speeds range from 25-50 mph.
Along with a couple of blinkies in the back, I have no problem seeing or being seen.
The MaHa charger is the most expensive part in the configuration.
After checking out other lighting review and rating sites, I've come to one conclusion...
Cyclists are being hosed by the industry!!!
LED's are the way to go for battery weight and efficiency.
Check out THIS helmet mountable spelunking light.
StenLight S7
Case Material ........................... Stainless Steel / Aluminum
Case Features .......................... Tilt adjustable, blade for helmet attachment
Switch Type ............................. Rotating switch, 5 positions
Lens Type ................................ Two collimator lenses protected by lens window
Bulb Type ................................. Two Luxeon III LEDs
Beam Type ............................... Narrow/medium spot combination
Beam Characteristics ............... Smooth, bright center, slight ring in corona
Throw (Lux) at 1m and Overall............. Output see link above
Battery / Power Type................ Rechargeable Li-Ion (access. kit allows 6AA or 9V)
Battery Life (advertised) ........... 7 to 8 hours on high
Battery Life (test results) ........... 8 hr 15 minutes on high with Lithium Ion battery pack (For really LONG commutes!)
Environmental Protection ......... 20 foot water depth rated (for when it rains a LOT)
Weight (oz.) with batteries ....... 8.6
Warranty .................................. 1 year
Retail Cost ................................ 310.00 US$
Check out the headlamp and lighting sections here they ALSO have a wide variety of attachment mounts in the helmet section.
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/16-9905.gif Specs aren't as generous.
They also carry a large variety of modular mounting accessories and battery packs.https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/19-2403.jpg
There are some Bad-Ass possibilities out there!
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-2237.jpg
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-2202.JPG
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-2235.jpg
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-5065.jpg
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-2401.jpg
Check out this carbide/LED headlight combo.
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-2235.jpg
I'm intrigued by the carbide option...https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-5180.jpg
...although??? https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/1402.gif
I too drool and ogle over the latest gear and "newest" technology introduced to the bike market.
But alas, can't/won't spend $2-300+ for the latest "greatest" light.
I just went over to Costco and bought a 12$ 4-pack of AAA LEDs.
I put rechargeable NiMh batteries in them , attached 2 to my helmet, and 2 to my bike.
(attaching them was the tricky part.It involved velcro straps and old mounts from various equipment.)
My digital Head trip is starting to "trip" out on me after 5 years of solid use.
My ride starts at 6AM, well before the sun rises. I ride at an average speed of (+/-)15 mph, through typical suburban/urban streets that are both brightly lit to dark, where traffic speeds range from 25-50 mph.
Along with a couple of blinkies in the back, I have no problem seeing or being seen.
The MaHa charger is the most expensive part in the configuration.
After checking out other lighting review and rating sites, I've come to one conclusion...
Cyclists are being hosed by the industry!!!
LED's are the way to go for battery weight and efficiency.
Check out THIS helmet mountable spelunking light.
StenLight S7
Case Material ........................... Stainless Steel / Aluminum
Case Features .......................... Tilt adjustable, blade for helmet attachment
Switch Type ............................. Rotating switch, 5 positions
Lens Type ................................ Two collimator lenses protected by lens window
Bulb Type ................................. Two Luxeon III LEDs
Beam Type ............................... Narrow/medium spot combination
Beam Characteristics ............... Smooth, bright center, slight ring in corona
Throw (Lux) at 1m and Overall............. Output see link above
Battery / Power Type................ Rechargeable Li-Ion (access. kit allows 6AA or 9V)
Battery Life (advertised) ........... 7 to 8 hours on high
Battery Life (test results) ........... 8 hr 15 minutes on high with Lithium Ion battery pack (For really LONG commutes!)
Environmental Protection ......... 20 foot water depth rated (for when it rains a LOT)
Weight (oz.) with batteries ....... 8.6
Warranty .................................. 1 year
Retail Cost ................................ 310.00 US$
Check out the headlamp and lighting sections here they ALSO have a wide variety of attachment mounts in the helmet section.
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/16-9905.gif Specs aren't as generous.
They also carry a large variety of modular mounting accessories and battery packs.https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/19-2403.jpg
There are some Bad-Ass possibilities out there!
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-2237.jpg
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-2202.JPG
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-2235.jpg
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-5065.jpg
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-2401.jpg
Check out this carbide/LED headlight combo.
https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-2235.jpg
I'm intrigued by the carbide option...https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/17-5180.jpg
...although??? https://www.caves.org/imo/Product_Images/1402.gif
Last edited by inja; 10-26-06 at 04:42 PM. Reason: add information.
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Would the operating temps. between this MR16 and say an MR16 halogen 35 watt be significantly different?
Just wondering
Just wondering
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Originally Posted by inja
We are all spending too much money!
I too drool and ogle over the latest gear and "newest" technology introduced to the bike market.
But alas, can't/won't spend $2-300+ for the latest "greatest" light.
I just went over to Costco and bought a 12$ 4-pack of AAA LEDs.
I put rechargeable NiMh batteries in them , attached 2 to my helmet, and 2 to my bike.
(attaching them was the tricky part.It involved velcro straps and old mounts from various equipment.)
My digital Head trip is starting to "trip" out on me after 5 years of solid use.
My ride starts at 6AM, well before the sun rises. I ride at an average speed of (+/-)15 mph, through typical suburban/urban streets that are both brightly lit to dark, where traffic speeds range from 25-50 mph.
Along with a couple of blinkies in the back, I have no problem seeing or being seen.
is the most expensive part in the configuration.
After checking out other sites, I've come to one conclusion...
Cyclists are being hosed by the industry!!!
LED's are the way to go for battery weight and efficiency.
Check out THIS helmet mountable spelunking light.
Case Material ........................... Stainless Steel / Aluminum
Case Features .......................... Tilt adjustable, blade for helmet attachment
Switch Type ............................. Rotating switch, 5 positions
Lens Type ................................ Two collimator lenses protected by lens window
Bulb Type ................................. Two Luxeon III LEDs
Beam Type ............................... Narrow/medium spot combination
Beam Characteristics ............... Smooth, bright center, slight ring in corona
Throw (Lux) at 1m and Overall............. Output see link above
Battery / Power Type................ Rechargeable Li-Ion (access. kit allows 6AA or 9V)
Battery Life (advertised) ........... 7 to 8 hours on high
Battery Life (test results) ........... 8 hr 15 minutes on high with Lithium Ion battery pack (For really LONG commutes!)
Environmental Protection ......... 20 foot water depth rated (for when it rains a LOT)
Weight (oz.) with batteries ....... 8.6
Warranty .................................. 1 year
Retail Cost ................................ 310.00 US$
I too drool and ogle over the latest gear and "newest" technology introduced to the bike market.
But alas, can't/won't spend $2-300+ for the latest "greatest" light.
I just went over to Costco and bought a 12$ 4-pack of AAA LEDs.
I put rechargeable NiMh batteries in them , attached 2 to my helmet, and 2 to my bike.
(attaching them was the tricky part.It involved velcro straps and old mounts from various equipment.)
My digital Head trip is starting to "trip" out on me after 5 years of solid use.
My ride starts at 6AM, well before the sun rises. I ride at an average speed of (+/-)15 mph, through typical suburban/urban streets that are both brightly lit to dark, where traffic speeds range from 25-50 mph.
Along with a couple of blinkies in the back, I have no problem seeing or being seen.
is the most expensive part in the configuration.
After checking out other sites, I've come to one conclusion...
Cyclists are being hosed by the industry!!!
LED's are the way to go for battery weight and efficiency.
Check out THIS helmet mountable spelunking light.
Case Material ........................... Stainless Steel / Aluminum
Case Features .......................... Tilt adjustable, blade for helmet attachment
Switch Type ............................. Rotating switch, 5 positions
Lens Type ................................ Two collimator lenses protected by lens window
Bulb Type ................................. Two Luxeon III LEDs
Beam Type ............................... Narrow/medium spot combination
Beam Characteristics ............... Smooth, bright center, slight ring in corona
Throw (Lux) at 1m and Overall............. Output see link above
Battery / Power Type................ Rechargeable Li-Ion (access. kit allows 6AA or 9V)
Battery Life (advertised) ........... 7 to 8 hours on high
Battery Life (test results) ........... 8 hr 15 minutes on high with Lithium Ion battery pack (For really LONG commutes!)
Environmental Protection ......... 20 foot water depth rated (for when it rains a LOT)
Weight (oz.) with batteries ....... 8.6
Warranty .................................. 1 year
Retail Cost ................................ 310.00 US$
That is so not a good deal. It's not cheap and it's not bright.
HID bulbs are more efficent than LEDs. And they are not new to the bike industry.
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...HID bulbs are more efficent than LEDs. And they are not new to the bike industry....
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Originally Posted by banerjek
Maybe, but my HID has been a PITA to maintain. I can't seem to run one for more than a couple hours in real conditions. I hate to eat the cost, but I'm ready to convert to something more reliable and just carry extra NiMH batteries to cover my lighting needs. HID totally rocks when it works, but it disappoints too often. Just as I wouldn't consider anything but steel for my commuter (but would never consider that material for my racer), I'm thinking my commuter lights need to be dimmer, heavier, and more reliable (i.e. halogen).
FWIW, the TrailTech 30W HID, which has been out for a while and is actually available, is rated 1850 lumens.
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Originally Posted by banerjek
Maybe, but my HID has been a PITA to maintain. I can't seem to run one for more than a couple hours in real conditions. I hate to eat the cost, but I'm ready to convert to something more reliable and just carry extra NiMH batteries to cover my lighting needs. HID totally rocks when it works, but it disappoints too often. Just as I wouldn't consider anything but steel for my commuter (but would never consider that material for my racer), I'm thinking my commuter lights need to be dimmer, heavier, and more reliable (i.e. halogen).
If you can only get a couple of hours out of a four hour light, that's the cold. Or a damaged battery.
If you are riding in the cold, since the halogen lights will draw more current than the HID for equal or even less brightness the cold problems will be worse or will be the same if you have the same battery. If it's cold enough extra batteries will do no good at all, they will get cold too if you let them.That's a battery problem, that can be over come with insulation and a chemical handwarmer. Or a different type of battery. Nothing to do with the light.
There are plenty of reliable HIDs around that run as long as you want. My Lupime goes for 8 hours just fine and the battery is very lightweight. I had to have my Nightrider repaired due to starting problems, no cost, and return shipping paid.
I get full run time in the cold because of the Li-ion battery on the Lupine, and the temps I ride in rarely go to 10F mostly over 20f or 25f. My Lupime never has problems and all HID light bulbs are more resistant to impact than halogen. Most of them get used in 24 hour mtb races all the time.