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Old 01-09-07, 06:17 PM
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Specialized Crosstrail

http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=21922

Has anyone heard of this new big for 2007.

I wonder if anyone has an opinion on it. I am in the market for a bike and there is just too much choice.

I think the Dr Dew would be a good comparison?
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Do you really need the suspension? What's your requirement?
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If you're looking for a commuter, I would personally be looking to loose the front shock. At the high-end, you're paying for the Reba fork which is pointless on the street. From what I hear, there is tons of tire clearance though, so if what you're wanting is a dual-purpose bike that can run big knobbies and smaller slicks, then this might be a decent choice.

Comparable bikes (with more of a street slant) are offered by just about everyone:

- Kona Dew line
- Cannondale Bad Boy line
- Trek Soho/SU line/FX line
- Ibex Corrida line
- etc
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Originally Posted by JeffS
If you're looking for a commuter, I would personally be looking to loose the front shock. At the high-end, you're paying for the Reba fork which is pointless on the street. From what I hear, there is tons of tire clearance though, so if what you're wanting is a dual-purpose bike that can run big knobbies and smaller slicks, then this might be a decent choice.

Comparable bikes (with more of a street slant) are offered by just about everyone:

- Kona Dew line
- Cannondale Bad Boy line
- Trek Soho/SU line/FX line
- Ibex Corrida line
- etc

Do you think the shocks add too much weight?

I wonder how much the crosstrail weighs

What bike do you like the best in the ones you mentioned?
I am looking for somthing to do road and light trails gravel roads.

I did consider the Trek fx 7.5 disc with 38's. It weighs 25 lbs with the disc breaks.
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Originally Posted by sourdough
Do you think the shocks add too much weight?

I wonder how much the crosstrail weighs

What bike do you like the best in the ones you mentioned?
I am looking for somthing to do road and light trails gravel roads.

I did consider the Trek fx 7.5 disc with 38's. It weighs 25 lbs with the disc breaks.

Adds a little weight, adds a little bounce when riding out of the saddle. Doesn't really contribute to a better ride (at least not to me). Mainly, I just don't want to feel like I'm paying extra for something I don't need.

You could buy any of them and be happy. My personal preference leans towards Cannondale or Kona. I'm still experimenting with different style bikes to see what I really enjoy the most, but two of my current commuters are a Cannondale Bad Boy (a custom build) that I bought off ebay for $600 and a Kona Jake the Snake, also bought for $600 on ebay.

I come from a mountain bike background, so that geometry is familiar to me. I bought one road bike but it didn't take. I bought the Kona JTS though and it's prettymuch converted me to drop bars. Not to further confuse you, but a cyclocross bike would also do the things you're listing well. It's likely that when I finally settle on the "one" bike it will be a disc brake cyclocross (I've always despised cantilevers).

Anyway, check out the dealers, or the used market and go with either the best deal, or the one that is the most visually appealing to you. They're so close that it won't matter much.

Oh yea, I did hear that the Crosstrail has short toptubes for the size, with overall wheelbase being shorter than their 26" stumpjumper. You should probably double-check the size before making that purchase.
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I think the best bike depends on how and where it will be ridden. If your riding on city streets and fairly smooth dirt roads, then going without shocks would be a good way to go since you will save a lot of weight. But if you ride in area where you have to go through ruts, potholes curb hopping, etc.. then a front shock would be a good thing to have.

I think the whole purpose of a shock is to allow you to run at a higher speed while still maintaining a high speed. The front shock and in some cases a suspension seatpost will help in rider comfort, but they are primarily designed to allow a rider to maintain a high speed without having to slow down to much.
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I love the Specialized brand, but that bike did nothing for me. My '87 Rock Hopper is more pratical for commuting. The only thing I wish is that there was a 29er version of my Rock Hopper. Even then, its no big deal. Mine cost a *lot* less, too.
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Hate to say it but I doubt that the Suspension fork will be of a high quality. I'd put it at about the grade of a Low end Mountain bike and they do not offer any adjustment for weight of the rider, Are not rebuildable. and do not last very long before they wear out. Nothing worse than a Clunky wobbly fork- Unless it is a fork that breaks on you.

The Crosstrail looks as though it is a bike to replace the Sirrus for those that do not want a Road orientated Hybrid. If you are looking at other bikes- Do not dismiss the Sirrus- it is a good bike.
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Originally Posted by stapfam
Hate to say it but I doubt that the Suspension fork will be of a high quality. I'd put it at about the grade of a Low end Mountain bike and they do not offer any adjustment for weight of the rider, Are not rebuildable. and do not last very long before they wear out. Nothing worse than a Clunky wobbly fork- Unless it is a fork that breaks on you.
That's a horrible generalization. Did you look at the models?

- Limited - RockShox Reba SL
- Pro - RockShox Tora
- Expert - RST Vouge Comp

No, it's not a top of the line Fox - of course they don't make 29er forks - but the Reba and Tora aren't junk forks either.

As the OP mentioned though, he's riding on asphault and gravel, so shock "performance" is pretty irrelevent.
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Weird. It doesn't say which model that is in your link,but none of the ones listed on the side have V brakes.

Anyway,I have the Expert and really like it. It's no lightweight,but it's lighter than alot of MTB's. The suspension has I believe a preload adjustment and has an easy-to-get-to lockout switch on top of the right leg. I can't speak to offroad,but in an urban environment the fork/massive tire combo works wonders for smoothing out potholes and road construction. The bike's comfortable,handles well,has a wide gear range,and excellent brakes. It'll make an excellent urban bomber,all-weather commuter,weekend trail rider. My only complaint so far has been locating fenders that will fit on the 29's(I could swap on some 700x38's,but then it wouldn't be a 29er anymore). Ordered a set of SKS Commuters that should fit;I'll update that 29er fender thread I started when I get them. Only prob I see is that the front derailleur will get in the way,so I'll have to do some cutting on the front of the rear fender.

I got the Expert because I didn't own a 29er,and commuting with skinny(28) tires on DC roads was starting to bother my carpel tunnel. Once the fenders are on,it'll be the main commuter/bad weather bike.
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I like what everybody has to say. It is not easy getting a new bike with so much choice.

What I find hard is to get used of the skinny tires on road like bikes.

The Crosstrail might be easier to adjust to 700 tires.

Do you think this CT bike would be good for the odd 100 km day trip?

I think I am trying to find one bike that will do everything. That might be hard to do.

I do a combination of paved and gravel roads and some groomed trails.
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Originally Posted by stapfam
Hate to say it but I doubt that the Suspension fork will be of a high quality.
Works well for me. I'm not up on suspension components,but I like it so far. The preload adjustment actually works and the lockout is easy to reach.

Originally Posted by stapfam
The Crosstrail looks as though it is a bike to replace the Sirrus for those that do not want a Road orientated Hybrid. If you are looking at other bikes- Do not dismiss the Sirrus- it is a good bike.
Actually,I think it's intended to replace the Crossroads XC Pro(which I also test rode before buying the Expert). Interestingly enough,I bought the Expert to replace my Sirrus Sport Disc(which I really miss) after I got doored and the frame trashed. I really wish they still made a disc model;with discs they're excellent all-weather commuters.
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Originally Posted by sourdough
What I find hard is to get used of the skinny tires on road like bikes.

The Crosstrail might be easier to adjust to 700 tires.
Define skinny. And the Crosstrail will take 700cc tires(prolly down to 35 width). 29's are just really fat 700s.

Originally Posted by sourdough
Do you think this CT bike would be good for the odd 100 km day trip?
100km=62mi right? Yeah,I don't think it would be a prob. I've done 40-50 mile trail rides on my Dew Deluxe and my old Fuji Absolute,so this shouldn't be a prob.

Originally Posted by sourdough
I think I am trying to find one bike that will do everything. That might be hard to do.

I do a combination of paved and gravel roads and some groomed trails.
This should come close. Run the stock tires and fenders for commuting,and put on some proper knobbies for the dirt.
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Originally Posted by dynaryder
Define skinny. And the Crosstrail will take 700cc tires(prolly down to 35 width). 29's are just really fat 700s.



100km=62mi right? Yeah,I don't think it would be a prob. I've done 40-50 mile trail rides on my Dew Deluxe and my old Fuji Absolute,so this shouldn't be a prob.



This should come close. Run the stock tires and fenders for commuting,and put on some proper knobbies for the dirt.

By skinny I was thinking 32 or less.

I have a Specialized Expedition MTB and it is so comfortable to rid but slow.

that is why I thought the Crosstrail might be good.

I also considered the Kona Deluxe, it looks like a interesting bike.

How do you like the gearing? Is it more road gearing?

The Crosstrail sure looks good.

I will have to get out and test it.

The Expert is what I would consider.

Is there anything else you can comment on the Crosstrail?
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Gearing on the Dew or Expert?

Both have wide range rears;11-34. The Dew has a road triple 52/42/30 while the Expert has a touring triple 48/36/26. Not a huge difference;the Dew has a slight edge on speed while the Expert will spin up hills and dig into mud/snow a little better. Both have good all-round gearing.

Only thing to add about the Expert is the website shows a sliver fork and mine's black,so IMHO it looks better in real life than on the site. Once I get my fenders and mount them I'll update that other thread I had.
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Originally Posted by dynaryder
Gearing on the Dew or Expert?

Both have wide range rears;11-34. The Dew has a road triple 52/42/30 while the Expert has a touring triple 48/36/26. Not a huge difference;the Dew has a slight edge on speed while the Expert will spin up hills and dig into mud/snow a little better. Both have good all-round gearing.

Only thing to add about the Expert is the website shows a sliver fork and mine's black,so IMHO it looks better in real life than on the site. Once I get my fenders and mount them I'll update that other thread I had.
Are the rear brake mounting tabs on the chain stays or the seat stays? I can't tell for sure from the photos.
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Crossroad or Dew

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Gearing on the Dew or Expert?

Both have wide range rears;11-34. The Dew has a road triple 52/42/30 while the Expert has a touring triple 48/36/26. Not a huge difference;the Dew has a slight edge on speed while the Expert will spin up hills and dig into mud/snow a little better. Both have good all-round gearing.

Only thing to add about the Expert is the website shows a sliver fork and mine's black,so IMHO it looks better in real life than on the site. Once I get my fenders and mount them I'll update that other thread I had.
I was really considering the Dew, but the Crossroads looks interesting.

When you say a road triple and a touring triple si there a lot of difference?

On my MTB is only a 8 speed I often spin out due to lack of gearing.

Is the Crossroads more comfortable to ride?

I am thinking some long day trips.

I just wonder which of the two would be the most comforable, the Dew or Crossroads?
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Originally Posted by sourdough
I just wonder which of the two would be the most comforable, the Dew or Crossroads?
That's going to be entirely a personal preference thing. They're both aluminum mountain bike frames.

The notable differences that I see are the head tube angles on the crosstrail are several degrees slacker. This will effect handling. Again though, it's a personal preference and not necessarily better or worse.

Just go ride them both.
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Originally Posted by pmseattle
Are the rear brake mounting tabs on the chain stays or the seat stays? I can't tell for sure from the photos.
Dew is standard seatstay,Expert is in the V of the seat/chainstays.

RANT MODE

Why are all disc brake bikes not set up like the Expert? It makes it so much easier to attach fenders and racks to the rear when the brake caliper is out of the way. Harley has been mounting the rear brake on their softtail frames this way since the 80's. This isn't a huge technological leap,and doesn't require any mods past putting the mounting tabs on the chainstay.
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Originally Posted by sourdough
I was really considering the Dew, but the Crossroads looks interesting.

When you say a road triple and a touring triple si there a lot of difference?

On my MTB is only a 8 speed I often spin out due to lack of gearing.
Difference is in the gearing. Road is tall 52/42/30,touring is 'medium' 48/36/26;not a huge difference. Your MTB prolly runs out of gears on the road because the usual setup is 44/32/22. Also the number of gears is immaterial,it's the number of teeth on the cogs that count. Both my Dew Deluxe and Fuji Cross have 52/42/30 front rings. The Dew has an 8sp 11-34,the Cross has a 9sp 12-26. Even though the Fuji has one extra cog out back,it has less of a gear range than the Dew because the Dew is spread out 1 tooth higher and 8 teeth lower.

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Is the Crossroads more comfortable to ride?

I am thinking some long day trips.

I just wonder which of the two would be the most comforable, the Dew or Crossroads?
Depends on how you fit on the bikes really. If you're going to be offroad than the Crossroads would be more comfortable because it has front suspension to soak up the bumps,but on the street it would be pretty much a toss up. The real factor is how the frame fits you. The Crossroads has a slightly more upright riding position,but this isn't anything that rotating the bars and flipping the stem wouldn't change(on either bike).

If you're going to be offroad or on trails,I'd go for the Crosstrail. If you're going to be on the street,the Dew is lighter. Also,if you're looking at the Dews,I'd recommend either the Deluxe or Dr for the disc brakes vs the plain Dew's rim brakes.
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I want the Crosstrail.

I was looking (not anymore, now I have an older (new-to-me) Trek 8000 MTB) at an all-use bike, and the Crosstrail was very close to the top of my list...It's hot.
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If you don't need the disc brakes and suspension, why not the Tricross?
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Difference is in the gearing. Road is tall 52/42/30,touring is 'medium' 48/36/26;not a huge difference. Your MTB prolly runs out of gears on the road because the usual setup is 44/32/22. Also the number of gears is immaterial,it's the number of teeth on the cogs that count. Both my Dew Deluxe and Fuji Cross have 52/42/30 front rings. The Dew has an 8sp 11-34,the Cross has a 9sp 12-26. Even though the Fuji has one extra cog out back,it has less of a gear range than the Dew because the Dew is spread out 1 tooth higher and 8 teeth lower.



Depends on how you fit on the bikes really. If you're going to be offroad than the Crossroads would be more comfortable because it has front suspension to soak up the bumps,but on the street it would be pretty much a toss up. The real factor is how the frame fits you. The Crossroads has a slightly more upright riding position,but this isn't anything that rotating the bars and flipping the stem wouldn't change(on either bike).

If you're going to be offroad or on trails,I'd go for the Crosstrail. If you're going to be on the street,the Dew is lighter. Also,if you're looking at the Dews,I'd recommend either the Deluxe or Dr for the disc brakes vs the plain Dew's rim brakes.



Thanks for all your advise. The info on gearing is also helpful.

Do you realy own that many bikes?

This is what I have been thinking. I will get rid of my Specalized Expedition Comfort MTB. It is confortable.

What I think I might consider is the Specailzed Crosstrail (the wheels and wide tires are appealing) for my off road and some of my 60 kilometer country gravel road rides.

Would you ever do any upgrads to the Crosstrail in terms of gearing etc?

Then I would look into the Specalized Sirrus Comp for when I know I will do long road trips on paved roads. That way I would have lightness and speed.

Not asking your much aye?
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Do you realy own that many bikes?
Yep. Five on the bedroom rack,two on the living room rack,one loose in the living room,four in the basement garage.

Originally Posted by sourdough
Would you ever do any upgrads to the Crosstrail in terms of gearing etc?
No. I like the gearing as is. Will add fenders and lights,but that's about it.


Update:just got my fenders in the mail yesterday. SKS 60mm Commuters. Haven't mounted them yet,but did a test fitting and everything looks ok. Front will need a shorter screw for the fork brace hole and the left strut will be zip-tied or P clamped. Rear struts will fit fine if I pull of the end caps and run them all the way out. Only prob will be clearing the front derailleur,but shouldn't be a prob because the rear fender doesn't go all the way down to the chainstay bridge. Should be able to drill a couple holes and zip-tie it to the seattube and it'll just cover the derailleur.
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It almost looks like a 29er........
 

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