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Old 01-18-07, 07:48 PM
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Cannondale's overseas line - I really fell let down

[edit] should obviously read "feel let down". Oh well...

You know, I knew Cannondale made the Street model with a Rohloff hub for overseas sales. I didn't, however, realize how many other nice bikes they made. By accident tonight I ran across their Rohloff Mixte bike and was prompted to go look at their UK line.

It's bike after bike that are worthy of sale. I know the market isn't necessarily here, but I wrote them encouraging them to make some of these models available - if by special order only - that it would make a statement that they're about more than racing and "fitness" bikes. Obviously I'm not expecting anything.











I can't explain why, but almost all of these (especially the rohloff model) just have more visual appeal to me than the Breezer. I guess, in general, I'm interested in a higher spec bike than what most manufacturers present as their one utility option.
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I'm seeing lots of disc and drum brakes.
These look like excellent bikes but can the rohloff hubs handle the hundreds of shifts a day and the amazing power of my man legs?
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Yeah, those internally geared jobs are nice. Sucks they don't even offer them for sale in the US.
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The real jab is that Cannondale is an American Company. I think there is another thread on BF's where someone wrote Cannondale for an explanation.

Here's the link I mentioned: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ght=cannondale
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Yea, all they could put together was the Street Premium



Rim brake, no light, odd looking frame panels... just doesn't do it for me. While I want a Rohloff bike for myself, my more immediate need is something for my wife, and they don't offer an internal hub option in anything but a "mens frame". -- I don't count the Daytripper as neither of us like the feet-forward style.
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Originally Posted by georgiaboy
The real jab is that Cannondale is an American Company. I think there is another thread on BF's where some wrote Cannondale for an explanation.
Correct, something about all the assembly being done overseas on these models. I say so what... basically, the market just isn't there in this country.
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Originally Posted by slvoid
I'm seeing lots of disc and drum brakes.
These look like excellent bikes but can the rohloff hubs handle the hundreds of shifts a day and the amazing power of my man legs?
Probably wear them legs out, before you wear out a Rolhoff

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Originally Posted by wahoonc
Probably wear them legs out, before you wear out a Rolhoff

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How efficient are they?

I posted a question here a long time ago about it and they said that it wouldn't be good to shift them a hundred times a day daily and put 2-400 watts through em erratically.
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Originally Posted by slvoid
How efficient are they?

I posted a question here a long time ago about it and they said that it wouldn't be good to shift them a hundred times a day daily and put 2-400 watts through em erratically.
I've heard they need about 1000 miles to break-in. Until then they have a little bit of noise and drag.

I've never heard anything but good about their durability. You shouldn't gear them ludicrously low, but if you stay in a normal range they hold up really well.

I'll be getting one this summer.
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I've been eyeing the UK line of canondale bikes for years. Its to bad cdale feels its domestic USA customers are second rate and chose not to sell their premuim products in the country that they are manufactured in. So much for proudly made in the USA that they stick all over their products. I feel the UK spec street line of bikes is exactly what so many of us on this forum have been wishing for.

I you are serious about buying a UK spec bike these people may help.

http://www.bonthronebikes.co.uk/
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Originally Posted by slvoid
How efficient are they?

I posted a question here a long time ago about it and they said that it wouldn't be good to shift them a hundred times a day daily and put 2-400 watts through em erratically.
They were designed for the Mountain Bike racing crowd. I suspect they can handle more than a few bad shifts.
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Originally Posted by JeffS
[edit] should obviously read "feel let down". Oh well...

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I can't explain why, but almost all of these (especially the rohloff model) just have more visual appeal to me than the Breezer. I guess, in general, I'm interested in a higher spec bike than what most manufacturers present as their one utility option.
My Breezer has clean lines and I like the functional look. But I know what you mean--it doesn't have the traditional or history behind the look. The Cannondale adds that Brooks style saddle, and that seems to make it retro, even though the Amsterdam does that better.

I've never been able to post a picture, so I can't do a side by side (Breezer-Cannondale. But it really looks like the biggest difference is the saddle, as well as a small frame look change, too.

More importantly, however, these Cannondale's have all the equipment you could want in a bike. Come on, Cannondale, sell them in North America!!

Bring it on, baby!!!
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Hello Jeff.

Thank you for contacting Cannondale. Unfortunately Cannondale Europe and Cannondale USA are separate entities. Cannondale Europe offers different specs for our models as well as different models of their own. We will share your email with product management for future Cannondale USA model considerations.

Thank you for your feedback. Have a nice afternoon.

I'll hold my breath.
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Man, I will take the model that is fourth down from the top.
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Originally Posted by slvoid
How efficient are they?

I posted a question here a long time ago about it and they said that it wouldn't be good to shift them a hundred times a day daily and put 2-400 watts through em erratically.
Slovid,

I've got 2 frames equipped with Rohloff hubs.
They are bomb proof. Shift as much as you want, dial it up to 400 watts, whatever you wish, they can handle it. You can even shift them under power, although there will be some resistance.
Here is the Rohloff tech page on their efficiency.
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Originally Posted by MillCreek
Man, I will take the model that is fourth down from the top.
I'll fight you for it.
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Originally Posted by thdave
...I've never been able to post a picture, so I can't do a side by side (Breezer-Cannondale. But it really looks like the biggest difference is the saddle, as well as a small frame look change, too. ...
Not quite side-side, but:
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Originally Posted by slvoid
I'm seeing lots of disc and drum brakes.
These look like excellent bikes but can the rohloff hubs handle the hundreds of shifts a day and the amazing power of my man legs?
I see disc brakes and hub generators, no drum brakes. If you haven't tried them, hub generators powering a good quality headlight and taillight are one of the better things that ever happened to bicycle commuters.
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What I wouldn't give to get my hands on this "Bad Boy 8" from Cannondale UK. Just take a look at how much of a mess the US Bad Boy Disc looks in comparison and try not to wince.

The beautiful Bad Boy 8 - 845 BP, $1,675 at current conversion (thank you google). Notice clean lines, internal cable routing, beautiful rear triangle, placement of disc calipers, and internal gearing. A work of urban assault vehicle art.


Now the fugly Bad Boy Disc. It's a plain mess compared to the UK version. Shame on you, Cannondale.


For more disconcerting UK Bad Boy selections, please point your browser here.
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Been wondering the same thing for years. I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat and I think that because they exist is one of the main reasons that I have never bought the Street US version. I want the better one and refuse to buy the low end equipped US version.
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I'm a Commuter/Tourer and tho it's not a Cdale I really wish I could buy one of these,But regretably they are not avalable in the US (at Least From what I gather on the Koga-Miyata website)


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Unless I build something like this I can't seem to buy one here in the US! for anywhere near the same amount of money,It seems like it would cost Much more to build anything close. It looke like one Heck of a Commuter/Tourer to me...And I've not seen anything in my Lbs like it!
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Originally Posted by The Figment
Unless I build something like this I can't seem to buy one here in the US! for anywhere near the same amount of money,It seems like it would cost Much more to build anything close. It looke like one Heck of a Commuter/Tourer to me...And I've not seen anything in my Lbs like it!
Now, this bike you show isn't precisely my cup of tea, but I think you share the feeling I and some others have that we are polyhedral pegs American bicycle lines are trying to pound into their round holes. Doesn't feel so good, does it?
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Now, this bike you show isn't precisely my cup of tea, but I think you share the feeling I and some others have that we are polyhedral pegs American bicycle lines are trying to pound into their round holes. Doesn't feel so good, does it?
I've been different all my life (Only Deadhead in the Small Ks town that I live in) so my tastes in bikes are also somewhat off the wall,That Koga-Miyata is as close to the Do-Anything set of two wheels I've seen. Drat! I want one!!!
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Unfortunately the US market is different than Europe and possibly the UK in that bicycles are mainly recreational vehicles and there are not enough serious bicycle commuters who will pay $3k+ (it that how much they cost?) for a commuter bike w/a Rohloff hub. Sure there are certain pockets of the US (some liberal collage towns) that bike commute in significant numbers but who wants a GIRL'S bike with GIRLIE FENDERS!? EWWW!!! (typical US attitude, not mine of course. And yes I was asked why I wanted fenders on my bike:" those are for girls!"). I think even some women cyclists feel this way, too.

Of all the rides I participated in with my cycling club and invitational rides over the past ten+ years, the bikes I've seen with a mixte or women's step-thru frame and a bike with fenders I can count on one hand!

Thankfully this attitude is starting to change. Slowly but surely!

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