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Old 01-24-07, 09:22 PM
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Biking gets me out of work on time.

So my manager has this annoying habit of discussing designs or arranging meetings at 5:30 at night so I don't end up leaving until an hour later. So what I do now is, 5:30, I'm in my spandex and finishing up work. So if he wants to have a meeting, he's gonna have a bunch of engineers sitting around with 1 guy in neon spandex. Works almost every time.
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Careful, he may start scheduling one on one meetings with just you!!!
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Careful, he may start scheduling one on one meetings with just you!!!
You mean in my spandex? Ewwww....
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Originally Posted by slvoid
You mean in my spandex? Ewwww....
I mean due to your spandex He might see some "potential" in you that was hidden before.
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Is this your boss?
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Originally Posted by slvoid
So my manager has this annoying habit of discussing designs or arranging meetings at 5:30 at night so I don't end up leaving until an hour later. So what I do now is, 5:30, I'm in my spandex and finishing up work. So if he wants to have a meeting, he's gonna have a bunch of engineers sitting around with 1 guy in neon spandex. Works almost every time.
Big thumbs up on the spandex! Your co-workers need to take you out for a happy hour sometime.
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Did you remember to attach the coversheet to your TPS report?
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Good thought. Now I need some neon spandex.

Why are meetings always in afternoons? I'm most useless in the morning (case in point). Have meetings early, then work, IMO.
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I'll never have this problem. Per our union if we are asked to stay after our scheduled time off we have the right to refuse because it is not scheduled & we can do so with out repercusions. I have been asked & always say no. We also have the right to refuse voluntary overtime, VOT, if it is offered. With mandatory overtime, MOT, I never work any VOT.
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Your work environment seems just peachy! Do you walk around with a little black book filled with union regulations?
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Uh yeah slvoid I'm gonna have to ask you to come in on Saturday...
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Originally Posted by Shiznaz
Your work environment seems just peachy! Do you walk around with a little black book filled with union regulations?
No, but I have a copy of the contract, it is in book form, on my desk. The managment is pretty good about not asking us to stay after, unless we volunteer to do so. We have stewards & a union/managment liason officer that works in our building. At any time for any union/company related issue the officers from the local can be called down to deal with situations if need be. The union & the company actually have a good relationship with one another. Sometimes though the company tries to push the boundaries to see if they can get away with it, while technically it may not be a contract violation if the occupational employee calls them on it & requests a union rep. the company backs off & has to comply or risks a grievence.
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Originally Posted by Shiznaz
Your work environment seems just peachy! Do you walk around with a little black book filled with union regulations?
OT - I don't work in a Union shop and never have. I do see many cases of what appears to be just red-tape regulations from Unions and I find it annoying. But I really enjoy the workplace benefits I see that are directly from unions and their actions. You know things like a 40-hour work week, 8-hour days, paid overtime, paid vacation, health insurance ... Just something to think about.
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Originally Posted by slvoid
So my manager has this annoying habit of discussing designs or arranging meetings at 5:30 at night so I don't end up leaving until an hour later. So what I do now is, 5:30, I'm in my spandex and finishing up work. So if he wants to have a meeting, he's gonna have a bunch of engineers sitting around with 1 guy in neon spandex. Works almost every time.

Put on the red spandex and you're scott free at 5 on the nose. I bet he'll ask you to leave early just to get you out of his sight. Unless .... unless he really digs it. Then he'll ask you to stay late with a bottle of gin in one hand and a bull-whip in the other.
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Originally Posted by dalmore
OT - I don't work in a Union shop and never have. I do see many cases of what appears to be just red-tape regulations from Unions and I find it annoying. But I really enjoy the workplace benefits I see that are directly from unions and their actions. You know things like a 40-hour work week, 8-hour days, paid overtime, paid vacation, health insurance ... Just something to think about.
Almost all that stuff comes standard where I live. If my boss asks me to stay late he has a good reason for it, and if I don't have previous obligations I will always help him out. I won't pull out my contract or regulations; he's not trying to be a jerk, but in this business we need to get stuff done on time. My boss is always way busier than I am.

Is your boss an unreasonable person N_C?
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Originally Posted by dalmore
OT - I don't work in a Union shop and never have. I do see many cases of what appears to be just red-tape regulations from Unions and I find it annoying. But I really enjoy the workplace benefits I see that are directly from unions and their actions. You know things like a 40-hour work week, 8-hour days, paid overtime, paid vacation, health insurance ... Just something to think about.
Our OT is anything over 8 hours a day, not 40 hours a week. We have a great benefit package, including a 100% paid education benefit. You can go to school for anything you want & the benefit pays 100% of it, it does not have to be company related.

Per the contract the company can put up to 8 hours a week MOT on our schedules. At the last contract negociation the company wanted to double that. When the 93% of the union voted to strike because of that & other issues the company decided otherwise. We have over 47,000 employees, over 30,000 of us are occupational. We are a public utility company, with millions of customers. Imagine what this would do if we went on strike.
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I am fortunate to have my own office with a door I can close and blinds on a window. I change in my office in the morning and afternoon and have had a knock on the door a couple of times while changing.

To now, I haven't answered, but in light of what you say slvoid, maybe I should reconsider. I'm sure that would cut down on late afternoon discussions. (If the blinds are down, don't come a knockin'.)
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I'll never have this problem. Per our union if we are asked to stay after our scheduled time off we have the right to refuse because it is not scheduled & we can do so with out repercusions. I have been asked & always say no. We also have the right to refuse voluntary overtime, VOT, if it is offered. With mandatory overtime, MOT, I never work any VOT.

I love it when my employees refuse to do work. I just love it.
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Originally Posted by Shiznaz
Almost all that stuff comes standard where I live. If my boss asks me to stay late he has a good reason for it, and if I don't have previous obligations I will always help him out. I won't pull out my contract or regulations; he's not trying to be a jerk, but in this business we need to get stuff done on time. My boss is always way busier than I am.

Is your boss an unreasonable person N_C?
Not at all. The only reason she would ask me to stay late is if I had to do what is called a one on one Devo. That is a monthly meeting we do for training & development. There have been other cases with other employees that a mgr asks an occupational employee to stay usually it is for disciplinary meetings, often after the stewards have gone home for the day. The occupational employee has a right to union representation. Sometimes the mgr will not ask the employee if he or she wants the union rep. The employee has the right to state they refuse the meeting until a union rep. can be present. The mgr has to comply. Sometimes a mgr will not tell the employee it is a disciplinary meeting & the employee finds out part way through it. At this point the employee has the right to stop the meeting, request a union rep. & the company ends up with a grievence filed against it.
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Originally Posted by slowandsteady
I love it when my employees refuse to do work. I just love it.
What happens when they're asked to stay on their own time, not scheduled, & they refuse because they are not required to stay it is voluntary & only if they choose to do so? Do you take disciplinary action against them? I would hope not. If you do you may be violating labor laws.
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The problem is when employers start assuming you WILL work long hours, and trying to change the company culture to one where if you're not there early and working 12 hour days and weekends, you're not viewed as a good employee. My brother-in-law comes to mind. He works for G.E. They pay him very well, but he has no life. I worked for G.E. 15 years ago. One time I left at 5 and someone said, "It must be five! Jim's leaving!" WTF? I'm not a corporate tool. End rant.
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My version of this problem is that I have pretty flexible hours, meaning do around 40 hours a week - whenever you do them - and no one asks any questions. I try to get to work by 6:00AM and am at my desk, working by 6:30AM. This allows me to leave work around 3:00 - 3:30PM. Unfortunately, that hardly ever happens and I end up staying close to 5:00PM anyway.

Grr...
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"Let's brief everybody before they get out of here tonight so they can be thinking it over, then sit down in the morning to go through it when everybody is fresh."

That has always worked for me, because nobody wants to start a meeting at quitting time.

Now our routine is if you want to catch folks for this type of meeting, you just do it early. Then they have all day to solve the problem.
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My Boss is really cool about it, everybody knows I ride in. I made it real clear when I started that I work 7-4, easier to dodge traffic. If I am staying late I always get someone telling me to hit the road to get around traffic. I am a lucky one!
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Originally Posted by N_C
Not at all. The only reason she would ask me to stay late is if I had to do what is called a one on one Devo. That is a monthly meeting we do for training & development. There have been other cases with other employees that a mgr asks an occupational employee to stay usually it is for disciplinary meetings, often after the stewards have gone home for the day. The occupational employee has a right to union representation. Sometimes the mgr will not ask the employee if he or she wants the union rep. The employee has the right to state they refuse the meeting until a union rep. can be present. The mgr has to comply. Sometimes a mgr will not tell the employee it is a disciplinary meeting & the employee finds out part way through it. At this point the employee has the right to stop the meeting, request a union rep. & the company ends up with a grievence filed against it.
So they never ask you to stay late just to you know, work? They just make you stay late to train or discipline you? I don't blame you for refusing those, but whenever I am asked to stay late at work, its to actually do work. If I say no my boss will be there until 9pm doing it himself or catch a bunch of flak the next day for not getting it done. Why don't they plan your training and disciplinary meetings during the day? We don't even have such things as 'disciplinary meetings'. Your work environment sounds stressful to me.
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