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Old 01-25-07, 09:56 AM
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Right Law - Wrong Audience?

New Jersey is getting tough on cell phone use for commuters... http://wcbs880.com/pages/187136.php?...ntentId=292569 ....bike commuters.

As a bike commuter, I keep my cell phone in my bag and turned off. It is a tool for emergencies, not for staying connected with people. I like the quiet too much to have things plugged in my ears or phones up to my ears trying to hear and be heard with wind wisking past the mic.

BUT....what about legislation for "Hang Up and Drive"?? Don't we have enough data on vehicular accidents caused by cell phone use?

Chris

ps - on a side note....it is good to be back commuting after a time off healing a knee from a motorcycle accident.
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Old 01-25-07, 10:14 AM
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wow

way to go, new jersey
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Old 01-25-07, 10:18 AM
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"You can not legislate common sense"
'nuf said
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Old 01-25-07, 10:22 AM
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Well, NJ already has a handheld ban for drivers.

This bill went nowhere though, and the originator said he "made a mistake". It's amazing that this was the issue that he felt would be the best use of his time and power. What a waste.
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Is there a law banning cell phone use by motorists? If there is why ont amend that law to include all legal roadway users, which would include cyclists? Why have a law specific to cyclists only? Can you post a link to the existing law banning cell phone use by motorists, if there is one?
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Old 01-25-07, 10:54 AM
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I don't know, the headlines tend to exagerate these things. Passing a law is merly a gesture now days. If NJ aggressively enforces it, then it's "getting tough" or "cracking down". But often they don't seem to enforce them. Then it just becomes something cops can tack on in addition to something other offense when they don't like you.

Anyways if you don't like this you can drive them crazy by just holding a small block of wood to your ear when you ride. I don't think NJ has any statutes against holding a small block of wood to your ear. I suppose they could get you for conspiracy to use a cell phone while operating a bicycle. But then that citation would be suitable for framing. Just like a speeding ticket for going 55 mph in 35 mph zone on a bicyle. Yeah, I'd pay a $100 for that.
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I've seen people using cell phones while riding. I've also seen people drinking coffee while riding. Not to mention smoking cigarettes. "This riding stuff is hard! I need a smoke!"

But yeah, if it's already banned for drivers of cars, why is this law even necessary?
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So true....just extend the law to include ALL authorized vehicles (which would include bicycles). You guys are right....simply absurd. They will legislate anything. And...for the block of wood suggestion, it better be painted orange so cops won't bust ya (like the muzzle of any toy gun).

I liked one guy's comment in the article, pretty hard to breathe and talk! And, as was mentioned, can't legislate commen sense.

Smoking on a bike? With Texas truck drivers, I need all my attention focused on the next bubba truck barrelling down on me! I can smoke enough from their exhaust as they gun the engine as they pass me...

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Originally Posted by N_C
Is there a law banning cell phone use by motorists? If there is why ont amend that law to include all legal roadway users, which would include cyclists? Why have a law specific to cyclists only? Can you post a link to the existing law banning cell phone use by motorists, if there is one?
I quickly found the bills involved, but am not sure how to locate the statutes themselves. Their system isn't as good at that.

PROHIBIT PHONE USE IN MOTOR VEHICLE
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2000/Bi...500/480_I1.HTM
ESTABLISH PENALTY FOR USE
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2000/Bi...00/1929_I1.HTM
ACCIDENTS - REPORTING CELL PHONE USE AND PRESENCE
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2000/Bi...00/2487_R2.HTM

[edit] specific statute numbers can be found on this page
https://www.ncsl.org/programs/transp...cellphoneB.htm
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From here:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246878,00.html

WASHINGTON Growing opposition forced a New Jersey state lawmaker to withdraw his idea to ban riding a bike while talking on a cell phone.

"The minute I started to talk about it in committee, I could feel my insides feeling unsure about this," said Republican Assemblyman Jon Bramnick. "When I called my wife at home about it, she said, 'Are you kidding?'"

The bill may not exist anymore, but Bramnick said it is giving him material for his stand-up comedian act.

"Normally, my common sense gut is pretty good," Bramnick said, adding, but "you make mistakes."

Bramnick introduced the measure in a package of safety bills to protect bicyclists and people along their cycling routes but withdrew it when he realized it wouldn't pass and received phone calls from concerned constituents.

The bill proposed making it illegal for people to use a hand-held telephone while riding a bicycle on a public road. Hands-free devices would be allowed and violators would face fines ranging from $100 to $250.
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Maybe a beter way to handle this would be to make cell phones record the last hour of phone use. Then whenever there is an accident of any kind, whether in a car, on a bike, or in the shower, they can replay the conversation in the court room. Finally we can find out what was so frikken important that they to talk about. It would be part of the public record and could be freely distributed across the internet. Flash memory is getting so cheap it could be done with minimal expense and so small it wouldn't effect the form factor. The system would function like a black box that they have in airplanes.
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Originally Posted by unkchunk
Maybe a beter way to handle this would be to make cell phones record the last hour of phone use. Then whenever there is an accident of any kind, whether in a car, on a bike, or in the shower, they can replay the conversation in the court room. Finally we can find out what was so frikken important that they to talk about. It would be part of the public record and could be freely distributed across the internet. Flash memory is getting so cheap it could be done with minimal expense and so small it wouldn't effect the form factor. The system would function like a black box that they have in airplanes.
Great idea!
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