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Old 02-16-07, 12:01 AM
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The courts are saying anything is an arrestable offense. Read about the woman who was arrested for not wearing a seat belt, in the same article
After reading the case, I can see why the Officer may have used the letter of the law to arrest the cyclist. It was his discretion to let the cyclist go with a ticket for riding the wrong way AND for not carrying an i.d. I'll bet the officer had a hunch that this guy was the type, who by appearance and/or behavior, was a druggie- just a guess of course, but that seems like common sense. The appearance and demeanor of the cyclist would make a huge difference in how the officer reacted. I would be interersted to know how the guy looked and acted.

I can't imagine a cop arresting a cyclist in cleats and spandex for not having proper i.d. Cops have better things to do-at least they do where I live.
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Old 02-16-07, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by montlake_mtbkr
I'm just tired of cops who harass cyclists and side with motorists and are just in general asses. I was at a critcal mass last year where a cop beat a cyclist who was blocking traffic for the group, for me. Smashed is (helmeted) head against the ground. Ever since then I've had a sour taste for cops. I realize giving a fake name and telling him to go f*** himself wasn't the best move. I dont suppose anyone can recommend a criminal defense attorney in washington?
If the officer you mouthed off to was with the Seattle Police Department it was a really bad move if your motive was to get back at him for the critical mass incident. The SPD had nothing to do with that particular incident. The idiots who attacked the CM ride were with a rogue unit of the Metro transit police which already had a justly earned reputation for thuggish behaviour and were at the time under investigation by the Feds. The SPD is generally benign.
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Old 02-16-07, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
The courts are saying anything is an arrestable offense. Read about the woman who was arrested for not wearing a seat belt, in the same article:

Carrying I.D. While Riding
Ah America the land of the free?
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Old 02-16-07, 12:43 AM
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You screwed up. twice. Once for blowing the light, next for getting a case of the a** when you were stopped. You can't have it both ways. You always have the choice to be a class act. You also have to be able to be ID'd (see above). I have found that when I get really angry, it is usually because I know it was my fault. i stopped blaming this on other people quite a while ago. you've taken a bit of crap from others already, you do not need someone else piling the s**t on you. You'll figure it out.
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Old 02-16-07, 03:20 AM
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If you are driving a motor vehicle, (in some states that means having the keys in the ignition) you must have your drivers license with you. If you are in the U.S. Military, under the UCMJ, you must have your military ID with you at all times and military police/sentries may require you to show it. If you are entering or leaving the U.S. you can be required to show ID to border patrol. Other than those situations, U.S. law enforcement should not be able to demand an ID card. Congress has debated a national ID card and such proposals have been defeated mostly on the basis that such a law would be unconstitutional.

There was a case a short time back, with news articles and discussed in one of the yahoo forums about a guy in Montana. He was parked on the side of the rode having an argument with (I believe) his daughter. Police stopped and demanded his driver license. The guy refused, but did verbally provide his identification. Police arrest him for not showing his drivers license. Montana court found him guilty under Montana law. On appeal, the federal court overturned the conviction and Montana state law. The federal court stated (along the lines of):
When the police stopped at the parked truck, the man was not driving and therefore at that point in time was not required to have a drivers license with him.
The police did have the right to detain him for identification during an investigation up until they where reasonably able to identify him. Since the man gave his real name, address, DOB, etc.; the police had obtained reasonable identification and since the man had not violated any laws, the police should have released him right then and not arrested him.

If McKay’s case reached federal court today, it would likely be overturned based on the above case law.
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Old 02-16-07, 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by deputyjones
Either way, you are required to identify yourself to a Police Officer in the type of scenario you describe to the satisfaction of that Officer.
I will bet your state law does not say “to the satisfaction of that Officer”. If an individual properly identifies themselves, and that identification should have been sufficient for the situation but the Police Officer decides he/she is not satisfied; the police officer and their employers may find themselves in trouble for false imprisonment, civil liberties violations, and/or who knows what else.
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From the 2004 National Police Bicycle Awareness Curriculum:

Here is what they tell the officers in Section 3, "Enforcement techniques
and ticketing procedures"

"Ask to see the cyclist's identification. While they are generally not
required to carry ID, they usually will provide one. If they do not, ask
for their name and address at the beginning and end of the interview, to
check for consistency."

Also, from the instructor's notes:
"If you are suspicious as to an individual's identity, and an ID is not
presented, ask again at the end of the interview. Hesitation or slightly
different information suggests false info. Check the signature on the
ticket to see if it matches the name given. You can also separate groups
of cyclists and ask for each other's names to check if they match."
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Old 02-16-07, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CB HI
If you are driving a motor vehicle, (in some states that means having the keys in the ignition) you must have your drivers license with you. If you are in the U.S. Military, under the UCMJ, you must have your military ID with you at all times and military police/sentries may require you to show it. If you are entering or leaving the U.S. you can be required to show ID to border patrol. Other than those situations, U.S. law enforcement should not be able to demand an ID card. Congress has debated a national ID card and such proposals have been defeated mostly on the basis that such a law would be unconstitutional.

There was a case a short time back, with news articles and discussed in one of the yahoo forums about a guy in Montana. He was parked on the side of the rode having an argument with (I believe) his daughter. Police stopped and demanded his driver license. The guy refused, but did verbally provide his identification. Police arrest him for not showing his drivers license. Montana court found him guilty under Montana law. On appeal, the federal court overturned the conviction and Montana state law. The federal court stated (along the lines of):
When the police stopped at the parked truck, the man was not driving and therefore at that point in time was not required to have a drivers license with him.
The police did have the right to detain him for identification during an investigation up until they where reasonably able to identify him. Since the man gave his real name, address, DOB, etc.; the police had obtained reasonable identification and since the man had not violated any laws, the police should have released him right then and not arrested him.

If McKay’s case reached federal court today, it would likely be overturned based on the above case law.
A little research might have saved you some embarrassment here. I believe the case you are speaking of is from Nevada, and the US Supreme court actually upheld the arrest and conviction. There could be another similar case from Montana, but it would be freaky coincidence that the details were so similar. That case was also previously cited in this thread.

As far as "to the satisfaction of the officer goes" you are confusing criminal procedure with state and federal law. The are interrelated, but not the same. Police Officers have been given the power to arrest people for offenses. That Officer can choose to arrest, even for a civil infraction. Most often we do not as offenders without ID (I recognize that in most situations Americans are not required to carry ID) are typically cooperative enough to allow the Officer to ID that person within a reasonable amount of surety. However, if after commiting an offense a person refuses to speak to the Officer (which is their right) that person can expect to be arrested.

I am not trying to be arguementative here, and I really have no desire to debate the issue. However, I don't want forum members here to get bad information, and end up getting arrested.
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Old 02-16-07, 09:25 AM
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a national police bike awareness seminar? it is a conspiracy......

do they have a national police red light runners awareness seminars at the same time? or a speeders seminar?
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Old 02-16-07, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by CB HI
From the 2004 National Police Bicycle Awareness Curriculum:

Here is what they tell the officers in Section 3, "Enforcement techniques
and ticketing procedures"

"Ask to see the cyclist's identification. While they are generally not
required to carry ID, they usually will provide one. If they do not, ask
for their name and address at the beginning and end of the interview, to
check for consistency."

Also, from the instructor's notes:
"If you are suspicious as to an individual's identity, and an ID is not
presented, ask again at the end of the interview. Hesitation or slightly
different information suggests false info. Check the signature on the
ticket to see if it matches the name given. You can also separate groups
of cyclists and ask for each other's names to check if they match."
This is correct procedure for an Officer doing an "investigation" into a traffic offense and trying to determine someone's identity who has no ID on them. What this does not tell you is what the Officer is to do ultimately if that Officer feels the person is not telling them the truth, and that is to arrest that person.
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Old 02-16-07, 10:24 AM
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If you're going to refuse to show ID out of principle (which I can understand), then you'd better be squeeky clean and willing to be detained until they confirm your identity.

They have to have "reasonable suspicion" to stop you, and "probable cause" to search you, arrest you, etc. What those terms mean according to the courts can be pretty loose. If the officer witnessed you running a light, he has "probable cause". He can search you for ID legally, so you might as well hand it over willingly. However, if he has "reasonable suspicion" and is just stopping you to investigate further, refusing to show ID and acting uncooperative hits a grey area that the courts may decide is probably cause to search you, etc. But if you cooperate and provide an ID, he has little chance of showing any kind of probable cause to the court, so would likely not be able to search you, or detain you further.
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Originally Posted by montlake_mtbkr
Do you by law have to give your drivers licence to cops who pull you over on your bike? Since no licence is required to operate a bike doesn't that mean you don't have to give it to them?
Any lawyers in the house?
I got a traffic ticket for going through a red light when it was clear and a criminal traffic citation for refusing to give my information. The light is one I "run" all the time since the trigger in the street doesn't detect bikes. Sure I shoulda just cooperated but I was pissed and on a rampage, but I'm kickiing myself in the ass now.
Did you or did you not have your ID on you? You don't make that clear. If you did not did you disclose that to the officer? If you did why did you not provide it when asked? Were you being a smartass to the officer? Giving him or her a hard time? In your community are you required by law to carry ID on you? If you are required but did not have it on you I do not understand the citation for refusing to give your information. How can a person be given a citation for refusing to provide something you do not have on your person? If that is the case then you should have been cited for not carrying it if there is a law saying you have to.
If you were giving the officer a hard time & being a smartass then you probably deserved what you got & are lucky he or she did not find other things to cite you for.

I thought unless you are driving a car there was no law stating you have to have an ID on you. Isn't that akin to communism? I could be wrong, correct me if I am.

Their job is hard enough as it is with out having to cite ******* cyclists who run red lights being a smartass to them for pulling them over & doing their job.

If the light is not activated by your bike then either wait until it does turn green or find another route, but stop running lights. If there is a law saying you have to carry ID, then start doing so, until the law is changed. If your naturally a smartass to cops then maybe you should stop doing that or one day it could get you in real trouble.
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Old 02-16-07, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CB HI
If you are driving a motor vehicle, (in some states that means having the keys in the ignition) you must have your drivers license with you. If you are in the U.S. Military, under the UCMJ, you must have your military ID with you at all times and military police/sentries may require you to show it. If you are entering or leaving the U.S. you can be required to show ID to border patrol. Other than those situations, U.S. law enforcement should not be able to demand an ID card. Congress has debated a national ID card and such proposals have been defeated mostly on the basis that such a law would be unconstitutional.

There was a case a short time back, with news articles and discussed in one of the yahoo forums about a guy in Montana. He was parked on the side of the rode having an argument with (I believe) his daughter. Police stopped and demanded his driver license. The guy refused, but did verbally provide his identification. Police arrest him for not showing his drivers license. Montana court found him guilty under Montana law. On appeal, the federal court overturned the conviction and Montana state law. The federal court stated (along the lines of):
When the police stopped at the parked truck, the man was not driving and therefore at that point in time was not required to have a drivers license with him.
The police did have the right to detain him for identification during an investigation up until they where reasonably able to identify him. Since the man gave his real name, address, DOB, etc.; the police had obtained reasonable identification and since the man had not violated any laws, the police should have released him right then and not arrested him.

If McKay’s case reached federal court today, it would likely be overturned based on the above case law.

As I already posted: http://www.papersplease.org/hiibel/
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Old 02-16-07, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by N_C
I thought unless you are driving a car there was no law stating you have to have an ID on you. Isn't that akin to communism? I could be wrong, correct me if I am.
You're confusing a driver's license with I.D. You are required by law to have a valid driver's license in your immediate possession when you operate a motor vehicle. If you're walking down the street, or riding a bike, you're not required to have a driver's license, because you're not operating a motor vehicle.

However, as others have pointed out, if an officer has reasonable suspicion that an offense has been committed-- say, for example, he sees you run a red light while riding your bike-- the officer has the right to temporarily detain you. If you are detained, the officer will likely ask for proof of your identity during the course of his investigation. At this point, the officer may or may not have decided to issue a citation. The officer may just be establishing that there are no outstanding warrants for your arrest. Or the officer may have decided to issue a citation.

If the officer decides to write you a citation, he is in effect making a non-custodial arrest-- he's requiring you to appear in court to answer the charge against you. It's clear that if the officer is making a non-custodial arrest, you must provide proof of your identity to that officer. If you don't, the officer may choose to place you under custodial arrest, until your identity can be established and they decide whether or not to file charges.
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I had my DL but didn't think I legally had to give it to him, and thus didn't want to in principal. I have a clean record but for this and a non-complete stop at a stop sign which I paid without incident [EDIT: again no DL produced] (a bike trap in fremont where at least 50 other cyclists were ticketed) This time the officer just had attitude and I had a bad case of foot in mouth. I just don't think I deserve a misdemeanor on my record for mouthing off. It's not like I robbed a bank. A commuter cyclist is hardly a menace to society! I know I did wrong and will pay the traffic ticket, but I don't know what I should do about the mandatory court hearing. I checked the violation code that I was cited and it's a $100 fine for Refusal to give information/cooperate which at this point I will gladly pay. I just am not sure if I should be getting a laywer involved for my hearing.

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It is my understanding that you have to produce some form of identification when a police officer asks you even if you are walking. I am not sure because I often don't carry one while riding my bike. I have to do better.





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Originally Posted by montlake_mtbkr
I had my DL but didn't think I legally had to give it to him, and thus didn't want to in principal. I have a clean record but for this and a non-complete stop at a stop sign which I paid without incident (a bike trap in fremont where at least 50 other cyclists were ticketed) This time the officer just had attitude and I had a bad case of foot in mouth. I just don't think I deserve a misdemeanor on my record for mouthing off. It's not like I robbed a bank. A commuter cyclist is hardly a menace to society! I know I did wrong and will pay the traffic ticket, but I don't know what I should do about the mandatory court hearing. I checked the violation code that I was cited and it's a $100 fine for Refusal to give information/cooperate which at this point I will gladly pay. I just am not sure if I should be getting a laywer involved for my hearing.
If it's a misdemeanor, you should hire a lawyer. You don't want a criminal record. It will follow you around for the rest of your life. Yes, it's just a misdemeanor, but it will still follow you.

Hire a lawyer. It will suck to have to spend the money, but it's worth it if you can get the charge plead down to an infraction. Consider the money spent as the price of a lesson learned-- I'll bet you never let your ego triumph over your common sense again.
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Originally Posted by montlake_mtbkr
I had my DL but didn't think I legally had to give it to him, and thus didn't want to in principal. I have a clean record but for this and a non-complete stop at a stop sign which I paid without incident (a bike trap in fremont where at least 50 other cyclists were ticketed) This time the officer just had attitude and I had a bad case of foot in mouth. I just don't think I deserve a misdemeanor on my record for mouthing off. It's not like I robbed a bank. A commuter cyclist is hardly a menace to society! I know I did wrong and will pay the traffic ticket, but I don't know what I should do about the mandatory court hearing. I checked the violation code that I was cited and it's a $100 fine for Refusal to give information/cooperate which at this point I will gladly pay. I just am not sure if I should be getting a laywer involved for my hearing.
Bite the bullet, don't worry about a lawyer, this time. Pay the fine as you have said you'll do. Next time keep your damn mouth shut & produce your ID. I hope this taught you a lesson & you're lucky you were not arrested, because I imagine either offense is an arrestable one. Good luck.
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Wow cops in Seattle must have a lot of free time if they're setting "cycling traps" haha. I suggest you either follow the laws, or move to a city with a higher crime rate.
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Originally Posted by montlake_mtbkr
This time the officer just had attitude ...
I got stopped by an officer with a bad attitude once. My cousin had just had me commandeer-- ok, steal-- one of those flashing hazard signs, and we were driving down the street, looking for a club. In the middle lane as we entered an intersection, she said "turn left here"!

Stupid cousin. Stupid me. I cut off a police car that was in my blind spot. I pulled over, got out my license, and rolled down my window. The first words out of his mouth were "Are you going to get out, or am I going to have to climb in there with you"?

With that hazard sign in plain view in the back of my car, I thought it best not to further antagonize an already hostile cop, so I got out of the car, handed him my license, gave him no lip. When he gave me my ticket, I got back in the car and continued on to the club. We drove up hills, down hills, around corners (this was in San Francisco.), and finally arrived at the club. When I got out of my car, there was my wallet, right where I had left it-- on the roof of my car.
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I hate courts.
You'd hate it a lot more if they didn't exist.
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I posted this in the comments on my blog but I'll copy it here because it's relavent.

I got run out of the Liberty Memorial park by a rent a cop last night while taking some photos, including the one attached to this post.

I rode my bike to get closer to the tower, and hopped up on a ledge to get the angle. Those exposures are pretty long (okay, 8-15 seconds) and so I had to sit there, perfectly still while they exposed.

I had just hopped down off the ledge, and a Rent-A-Cop (female) approaches me:
"Stay where you are, don't move!"

Me: "Okay..."

Cop: "Bikes aren't allowed on the property, there are signs back there. And we don't allow people to just climb on stuff."

Me: "Well, if there were LIGHTS 'back there' maybe I could read the signs. I must have missed them. Sorry about climbing on the ledge, I was just trying to get a good picture."

Cop (in a ranting tone that I didn't want to listen to): "well you can't just..."

Me (interrupting, hopping on my bike): "I'm just an artist. I won't pester you any further."

Cop: "Come back here"

Whatever. What's funny is I'm not an artist. But that's okay. I'm sure "I'm just a hacker." or "I'm just a Lead Systems Programmer" or "F you!" would have bought me less time to escape.
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By the way, I respect police officers, but despise power-tripping security guards, especially the ones that start to rant and get angry. I apologized and the old hag decided to start ranting instead of telling me to get lost.
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By the way, I respect police officers, but despise power-tripping security guards, especially the ones that start to rant and get angry. I apologized and the old hag decided to start ranting instead of telling me to get lost.
So what did you do, just leave her there to rant to no know as you rode away?
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I posted this in the comments on my blog but I'll copy it here because it's relavent.

I got run out of the Liberty Memorial park by a rent a cop last night while taking some photos, including the one attached to this post.

I rode my bike to get closer to the tower, and hopped up on a ledge to get the angle. Those exposures are pretty long (okay, 8-15 seconds) and so I had to sit there, perfectly still while they exposed.

I had just hopped down off the ledge, and a Rent-A-Cop (female) approaches me:
"Stay where you are, don't move!"

Me: "Okay..."

Cop: "Bikes aren't allowed on the property, there are signs back there. And we don't allow people to just climb on stuff."

Me: "Well, if there were LIGHTS 'back there' maybe I could read the signs. I must have missed them. Sorry about climbing on the ledge, I was just trying to get a good picture."

Cop (in a ranting tone that I didn't want to listen to): "well you can't just..."

Me (interrupting, hopping on my bike): "I'm just an artist. I won't pester you any further."

Cop: "Come back here"

Whatever. What's funny is I'm not an artist. But that's okay. I'm sure "I'm just a hacker." or "I'm just a Lead Systems Programmer" or "F you!" would have bought me less time to escape.
that's a pretty nice pic, but I keep wanting to open P'shop and straighten up the tower...
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