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I commute on a road bike. I agree its not very maneuverable compared to a 26" mountain bike or 20" bmx bike but I never need that level of maneuverability on my commute. I need to be able to haul my lunch up and down asphalt hills and flats as fast and easy as possible(while cycling anyway).
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I'm not sure I understand what some of you mean by "maneuverable". The way I understand that word, there's nothing more maneuverable on the road than a road bike.
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I use a road bike but bumps definitely hurt. the speed I can get makes up for it. my commute is only 14 miles round trip tho at most, but it is all road. only problem is pot holes, I just try to avoid them as best as possible. I wish I had gotten wider tires tho, silly me. Oh well, live and learn.
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Originally Posted by Longfemur
I'm not sure I understand what some of you mean by "maneuverable". The way I understand that word, there's nothing more maneuverable on the road than a road bike.
Road bikes are fast and efficient but maneuverable[edit: compared to mountain bikes, hybrids, bmx bikes]...nope. |
It doesn't matter how manuverable a bike is if it has me as a motor.
I don't mean that it will be more maneuverable but the inverse. D'oh! |
Road bikes generally have faster steering than most other kinds of bikes. Most mountain bikes and hybrids feel pretty clunky in comparison, and because road bikes accelerate so fast, sometimes you can just accelerate out of bad situations. I don't see why it would be any slower to stop on a road bike than other types. In any potential braking situation, you already should have your hands on the hoods or in the drops anyway. Modern dual pivot brakes provide excellent braking with minimal hand power, even from the hoods. And they are road bikes, not ride-only-on-fluffy-cloud bikes (but I would use at least 25mm tires, maybe 28).
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Originally Posted by Flying Monkey
Who commutes/runs errands with a road bike? For me, road bikes are the most comfortable but I wonder if I can maneuver as well and react as quickly as I need to.
Since on-road racing is carried on with road bikes I can't see responsiveness as a problem, although stability under load can vary considerably. Even the racing bike handles the sort of things I carry to work well, though (a change of clothing, my lunch and snack, whatever work-related manuals I've carried home, and the tools and accessories related to the bike itself) |
Originally Posted by Industrial
How tight and slow can you turn? How many ways can you turn? Can you ride backwards? Can you ride on 1 wheel? Can you squeeze your bike through a 1.5 ft gap at speed? How about 1 ft? How high can you bunny hop over obstacles? How fast can you stop in any condition? After your stopped how long before you have to set a foot down(track stand)?
Road bikes are fast and efficient but maneuverable[edit: compared to mountain bikes, hybrids, bmx bikes]...nope. |
I commute and run errands on my single speed road bike. It is an old school triathlon frame so I am more upright and not as stretch out as I would be on a modern racing bike.
Also, it is light enough that most of the hills around me don't create a problem and I can just throw it over my shoulder when going up (or down) stairs. |
Originally Posted by Longfemur
I don't see why it would be any slower to stop on a road bike than other types. In any potential braking situation, you already should have your hands on the hoods or in the drops anyway.
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I have a mtn bike and a road bike, both of which I've used for commuting. The mtn bike is rigid. The road bike has a suspension seat post and larger diameter wheels. The road bike is more comfortable for commuting than the mtn bike, so I'm using the road bike now.
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Originally Posted by bhtooefr
Ah, but while riding in the city, you should be upright so you can take in and process your surroundings, and see that car before you hit it. Which directly conflicts, but that's why I said to get inline levers.
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Reading all these posts it strikes me that context is very important. Road bikes are great when you are riding on...roads. But in a city, with potholes, crazy taxi drivers, people in parked cars opening doors and not looking, unaware pedestrians, etc. reaction time is critical. I was test riding a bike the other day and zoned out for only a second when I snapped back and found myself needing to brake hard and fast. I was on a Jamis Aurora. It took me longer to stop than I wanted. I remember thinking, "this is how long it should take me to stop" about halfway through my braking! Are brakes slower on road bikes? I don't see why they would be. Anyway, I think maybe being in the upright position of a mountain bike or hybrid helps in this kind of situation. Safety first!
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Once I finished building up my road bike, the touring/commuter bike started growing spider webs. The road bike is lighter, more nimble, and just overall much faster. I can't seem to talk myself into riding the other bike now.
Yes, you have to watch for potholes and such, but really you do on any bike. I do have 23 cm Armadillos so I can ride through glass and debris without issue. In the end, if you can haul your stuff in a pack, I vote road bike. If you need rack/panniers then touring/commuter is the way to go. |
For the record, 1 foot is about 30.5 cm. Please post a picture of your 30 cm handlebars.
And thanks for the explanation that my road bike isn't maneuverable. I guess I need to get a hybrid for my next criterium race. |
Originally Posted by Flying Monkey
Reading all these posts it strikes me that context is very important.
If you're riding open roads or trails,or doing centuries,then a road bike makes sense. But in a heavily urban area like DC,they quickly lose their advantages. Lightweight wheelsets don't like potholes,ruts,and curbs. I've had two friends get blowouts from potholes running 23's,I don't run anything skinnier than 28's and have had zero probs. Most road bikes won't take full fenders. Few can be had with disc brakes,which have many advantages for commuters,especially in bad weather. And drop bars are mooted in heavy traffic. The multiple hand positions aren't necessary when you can't go for more than a mile or so without having to stop at an intersection,most don't have cross levers limiting your ability to cover the brakes,and riding in the drops makes it hard to see up over cars and gives you a smaller silhouette. Sorry for the bit of threadjack,but folks need to understand that we don't all ride the same way. We all have different road surfaces,traffic,skill levels,and physical needs. |
Originally Posted by caloso
For the record, 1 foot is about 30.5 cm. Please post a picture of your 30 cm handlebars.
And thanks for the explanation that my road bike isn't maneuverable. I guess I need to get a hybrid for my next criterium race. Mountain bikes stop much better than road bikes because of suspension, geometry, tire width, tire pressure and flat out superior brakes. You can shift alot of weight forward and back to help you stop where road bike geometry isn't really made for that. Does any of this matter on a typical new hampshire commute? Nope. It does mean road bikes are less manuervable compared to other bikes though. |
I find your points highly suspect but have no desire to debate something that is a matter of opinion.
The brakes on my tarmac are far superior to those on my MTB and my wife's hybrid. That and I can shift my weight forward or back. So...anyways... |
Originally Posted by Industrial
It does mean road bikes are less manuervable compared to other bikes though.
The road bike and hybrid on slick tires can turn much, much harder at a higher speed. The mountain bike's knobbies are a compromise on the road yet again, as the tread blocks produce uneven traction during hard cornering. At a very, very low speed on the road, all of my bikes have about the same turning radius. On pavement, the mountain bike offers no advantage over any of my other bikes. The hybrid, however, is great. It has slicks on it that are 1.25" wide. I can drop it off of curbs, hop curbs, or accidentally bounce in and out of a pothole without getting a pinch flat. The tires are wide enough to avoid getting lodged in most of KC's storm drains that would swallow my 25mm road tires whole. The slick tires run efficiently at 80-85 PSI. They're soft and comfortable, but don't have energy-sapping knobby treads to increase my rolling resistance or to get in the way of hard cornering and braking. If it was geared better and had the drop bars I like, it would basically be a heavy 26" wheeled cyclocross bike with absurdly wide tires. It has the comfort advantage of my MTB, but the handling characteristics of my road bike. It's just a bit on the heavy side, and as it sits, my road bike is a more stable and efficient machine. On mud, sand, water, dirst, snow, or unstable surfaces, the MTB will arm you with purpose-built characteristics that do indeed lend themselves to better handling. If you're commuting through corn fields, on gravel roads, and in snow, the mountain bike will have obvious advantages. Really, though, handling is one minor trait in a sea of variables that go into one's ideal commuter bicycle. I see plenty of mountain bikes on the blighted, pot-holed streets of downtown KC. If I were to stop and ask people why they're riding a mountain bike as opposed to some other kind of bike, the answers would vary from "it's got a softer ride feel" to "it's all I've got, and I can't afford a different one". The only person who can tell you what's right for you is you. The only way you'll ever know what works best for you is to experiment. Do I regret owning 3 bikes? No way. They all have their strengths and each of them occasionally becomes the best bike for the job. For my 28 mile RT commute, my road bike is a trade off of comfort and durability for speed and efficiency. The hybrid would be more comfortable over long distances, far less prone to flat tires, and much more resistant to abuse than my road bike, but it would be sluggish, and I would find myself running out of gear on the downhills and long, flat stretches of road that I encounter every day. |
Originally Posted by Industrial
How tight and slow can you turn? How many ways can you turn? Can you ride backwards? Can you ride on 1 wheel? Can you squeeze your bike through a 1.5 ft gap at speed? How about 1 ft? How high can you bunny hop over obstacles? How fast can you stop in any condition? After your stopped how long before you have to set a foot down(track stand)?
Road bikes are fast and efficient but maneuverable[edit: compared to mountain bikes, hybrids, bmx bikes]...nope. I guess if your goal is to slide down a stair railing sideways or ride on a skateboard ramp then a road bike is probably not the best instrument but for typical everyday riding a road bike is very maneuverable and an excellent tool for the job. I guarantee you that I can take turns at a greater speed on my road bike than you could on a mtb or BMX bike. |
I started commuting on a hybrid, but have moved on to my road bike conversion. I was worried about bumps in the road making the commute less-than-fun, but it's not that bad and the road bike is a heck of a lot faster. Occasionally, I'll ride the hybrid, like if I need to carry heavy stuff on the rack or panier, but after getting used to drops, sitting in such a upright position on my hybrid makes me feel like I should be wearing an ascot, smoking a cigar, and reading the Wall Street Journal.
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Originally Posted by nakedsushi
wearing an ascot, smoking a cigar, and reading the Wall Street Journal.
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Originally Posted by Flying Monkey
Who commutes/runs errands with a road bike? For me, road bikes are the most comfortable but I wonder if I can maneuver as well and react as quickly as I need to.
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Originally Posted by Flying Monkey
Now that sounds like a good commute! We'll keep an eye out for you on the road. Watch for me too - I'll be the one sipping a dirty martini and reading Vogue :D
I'll be drinking Diet Pepsi reading Recording magazine. |
Originally Posted by SDRider
That is utter rubbish. I can do anything you stated on my road bike and I have the advantage of narrower handlebars so I can squeeze through areas you could not. The only thing I haven't tried is riding backwards...not sure what you could possibly mean by that actually or how that would translate into normal everyday riding. I'm not great at track standing but I know many roadies who can track stand easily on their road bikes.
I guess if your goal is to slide down a stair railing sideways or ride on a skateboard ramp then a road bike is probably not the best instrument but for typical everyday riding a road bike is very maneuverable and an excellent tool for the job. Everyday riding for me is basically a 13 mile time trial(with my lunch) twice a day through sparsely populated, well maintained roads in NH. A co-worker lives in the city and rides slow and careful through 5 miles of heavy traffic, crappy roads and constant stops. One of my brother's typical riding day is 2 miles on the road then 3+ hours at a skate park. A group of people at work ride 10 miles of trails a day. Normal for you is NOT normal for everyone.
Originally Posted by SDRider
I guarantee you that I can take turns at a greater speed on my road bike than you could on a mtb or BMX bike.
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