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Old 07-10-07, 06:43 PM
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Lost My Temper today

I swore to myself (after the last time I lost my temper) that I would stop getting pissed off and screaming and giving the one finger salute to motorists.

But today I lost it. I was riding my usual route home on a four lane street when, as I was passing under a bridge, a car flies past me within a couple of inches leaning on the horn . So I get pissed off and yell "watch it" while presenting the one finger salute. The driver of the car stops at the next intersection, gets out of his car and yells to me, "Your supposed to ride against traffic" . And of course being already pretty pissed I scream "Thats against the <law> jack-ass".

I hate when I lose control it just makes me angry at myself.

I just need to find a way to enhance my cool.

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Old 07-10-07, 06:56 PM
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I'd have said, "Get back to Gary, ya inbread cretin, before I shove that cage up your $%&!" "Oh, and have a nice day! "
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Old 07-10-07, 06:57 PM
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Pull out your camera phone, snap a pic of his plate and call the cops and report a drunk driver. Cuz no one sane would drive like that.
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Old 07-10-07, 07:17 PM
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Nothing wrong with getting angry.
As long as you let it go after you have your little cussfest.

It's better than bottling it up.
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Old 07-10-07, 07:49 PM
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Yeah, the pics and call usually get people's attention. Getting out of the car is an overt sign to do harm. I'd retaliate with the phone first, keeping a safe distance, and see what his reaction is.
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Old 07-10-07, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jyossarian
Pull out your camera phone, snap a pic of his plate and call the cops and report a drunk driver. Cuz no one sane would drive like that.

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Old 07-10-07, 07:53 PM
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You did better than I would have. Someone gets out of the car on me and I'd likely end up in jail.
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Old 07-10-07, 08:12 PM
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Wow! got out of the car. I haven't had that one before. Usually I holler at 'em and they finger me back like it's my fault since I'm not in a car.
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Old 07-10-07, 08:25 PM
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Better to reply "It's against the law" (in reference to riding against traffic). Just don't run that stop sign/red light while you're saying it.
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I was squeezed out of my lane recently and the offending SUV was immediately stopped by a red light. I rode up beside his open passenger-side window to say something and the driver looked over at me and said, "I seen you back there." Before I could process all the implications of his statement the light changed and he quickly pulled away. He seemed surprised at my age when he saw my face. My being of slight build, he probably thought he was brushing back some kid. I was PO'ed for a few minutes afterwards, mostly at my inability to respond appropriately, but the ride into town was too nice otherwise to let his rudeness and/or ignorance ruin it for me. I still can't think of anything I might have said that would have made any difference other than to escalate the situation.
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Originally Posted by Lurch
I was squeezed out of my lane recently and the offending SUV was immediately stopped by a red light. I rode up beside his open passenger-side window to say something and the driver looked over at me and said, "I seen you back there." Before I could process all the implications of his statement the light changed and he quickly pulled away. He seemed surprised at my age when he saw my face. My being of slight build, he probably thought he was brushing back some kid. I was PO'ed for a few minutes afterwards, mostly at my inability to respond appropriately, but the ride into town was too nice otherwise to let his rudeness and/or ignorance ruin it for me. I still can't think of anything I might have said that would have made any difference other than to escalate the situation.
From an outside perspective, it sounds like he was saying he saw you and was avoiding hitting you. He probably doesn't think that he did anything wrong by squeezing you.
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Has anyone ever talked to a driver that is not a cyclist, or a good friend of a cyclist, that knows the rules of the road pertaining to bicycles? They don't know the laws, they honestly think you are in the wrong. They are not motivated to learn either. It's human nature, it rots, but it's life.

Did anyone know the rules of the road for bicycles if they had been a driver years before becoming a cyclist?
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I think it's more than just ignorance of the laws, though. I think the road looks different to cyclists and to drivers. We experience the road differently. A driver doesn't see potholes, or glass, or a storm grate, or a door zone, the same way we do. A driver doesn't experience a buzzing the same way we do. Put a driver on a bike for, say, a month, teach that driver the rules of the road, and then put that driver back in a car. That's when the driver will begin to get it.
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
I think it's more than just ignorance of the laws, though. I think the road looks different to cyclists and to drivers. We experience the road differently. A driver doesn't see potholes, or glass, or a storm grate, or a door zone, the same way we do. A driver doesn't experience a buzzing the same way we do. Put a driver on a bike for, say, a month, teach that driver the rules of the road, and then put that driver back in a car. That's when the driver will begin to get it.
Some very good points. Very true.
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Old 07-10-07, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
Did anyone know the rules of the road for bicycles if they had been a driver years before becoming a cyclist?
I knew the rules related to bicycles years before I could ever drive.

I don't excuse the ignorance and apathy that many drivers have. Yes, a large percentage don't understand the rights of a cyclist, but then again, a large percentage also do not know the rules of operating a motor vehicle either.

This could turn into a rant about the pathetic licensing system in this country so I'll just stop.

[edit] my point is that I do not excuse their lack of knowlege.
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Old 07-10-07, 10:24 PM
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Happens to me almost every day... The cuss fest, not the idiots getting out of the cars.... I ride to PUC from Highland, I feel your pain (I think I'm the only student who dosent live in the dorms who rides...)

Sometimes by replying, I'm hoping to escilate the situation..... I know that sounds childish, but its true... some primal part of me wants an excuse to whack the smack out of someone.... Whats the point of carying a pump if you cant beat someone down with it?

You know, Having been a bike commuter for the last several months has taught me some things.... When I drive, I go slower... I have a hard time going over the speed limit . My Wife always thought I drove like a little old lady, but now its BAD.... I'm always leaving early.... and Always drive sanely... Its amazing how you learn to drive when you have to share the road with cagers....

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Originally Posted by 2manybikes
Has anyone ever talked to a driver that is not a cyclist, or a good friend of a cyclist, that knows the rules of the road pertaining to bicycles? They don't know the laws, they honestly think you are in the wrong. They are not motivated to learn either. It's human nature, it rots, but it's life.

Did anyone know the rules of the road for bicycles if they had been a driver years before becoming a cyclist?
Nope, I did not. I thought bikes were supposed to stay out of cars' way.
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Man that really sucks. I feel lucky to live in new hampshire. There are less people and the people seem to be pretty bike friendly. The worst thing that's happened to me was I had a lady slow down and yell at me to "get my ass on the sidewalk". I heard it loud and clear but I just ignored her. She went along her way and so did I.

Seems like your situation would be hard to ignore with the horn and getting buzzed. If I were you, I'd just ignore it. As soon as you gave that guy the 1-finger salute, his blood really started pumping and I'm sure yours did as well. If you did nothing at all, he would've probably just gone on his way and you on yours and with any luck, you'd never see him again.

I never knew the laws regarding cyclists on roads before I became a full time cyclist but I always gave them plenty of room and the right of way. I kinda considered them like pedestrians and everywhere but the highway I assumed they had the right of way.
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I feel so sorry for you guys. What a nation of mouth breathers.
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It's bad enough that he thinks it's his responsibility/right to enforce the law by endangering people's lives, but it's the topper that he is completely 180* wrong on what the law IS.
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Originally Posted by JeffS
I knew the rules related to bicycles years before I could ever drive.

I don't excuse the ignorance and apathy that many drivers have. Yes, a large percentage don't understand the rights of a cyclist, but then again, a large percentage also do not know the rules of operating a motor vehicle either.

This could turn into a rant about the pathetic licensing system in this country so I'll just stop.

[edit] my point is that I do not excuse their lack of knowlege.
After reading one of Helmet Heads e-felatio posts of the John Forester Monologues I decided to ask a new guy at work some questions once, just to see what he would say.
This guy *knew* that bikes were allowed on the road, but felt personally that it was dangerous for them to be there. He *knew* we could ride with traffic, but felt we should ride against it so that we can see cars coming.
He had no idea we were allowed full use of lane in certain situations but told ne that he has seen cyclists taking a full lane before and realized *why* when he saw them doing it.
He even admitted to me that he had yelled at and beeped at cyclists before just out of spite, even the not-so-often used phrase "get off the road". He's your average redneck guy so it didn't suprise me when he told me that. But told me he only yelled that just to get a laugh really and not because he thought that bikes were legally supposed to be "off the road".
That was 6 months ago and by now he's come around. He has even been talking to me about bikes and such. I guess driving his Dodge Ram Big Horn Edition to work and back every day is costing him more than just his health.

But he's just one out of millions. I've also had coworkers ask me if I have ever gotten a ticket for riding my bike in the road *with* traffic, showing that they thought it was not-so-legal to do so.
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And of course being already pretty pissed I scream "Thats against the jack-ass".
Wait, is that verbatim? Because that's pretty funny.
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For me getting mad isn't worth it anymore. Every altercation I've been in with a driver has been the result of me yelling or giving them a monodigital gesture after being buzzed.

In most cases they would have just gone on if I hadn't done anything. Also, I'm sure no matter what they felt that they were in the right and flipping them off just added fuel to their fire.

I've noticed the same behavior while driving a car. Ever been behind someone who didn't see a left turn signal and honked at them to get their attention and they flip you off? You can't win with road ragers.
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I hate when I lose control it just makes me angry at myself.

I just need to find a way to enhance my cool.
From now on, every time you get angry you'll have to make a post in the A&S Forum and read all the replies.
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Originally Posted by Blue Order
I think it's more than just ignorance of the laws, though. I think the road looks different to cyclists and to drivers. We experience the road differently. A driver doesn't see potholes, or glass, or a storm grate, or a door zone, the same way we do. A driver doesn't experience a buzzing the same way we do. Put a driver on a bike for, say, a month, teach that driver the rules of the road, and then put that driver back in a car. That's when the driver will begin to get it.
I agree, in fact I think that in a drivers ed class that a student should be able to demonstrate some cycling skills before getting behind the wheel...
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