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Old 07-11-07, 01:47 PM
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Do cyclists deserve better locks?

I don't know about you, but I am amazed how liitle bike locks have developed over the last decades. I think I may have invented something better, but I really need to check it's what people want. I hope you won't mind me contacting you all through this forum - I'm just a loan inventor who would really apreciate your help. I'd be really grateful if you can spare a few minutes to copy the link below into your browser and answer two sime questions. Thanks in advance, Pip

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Survey filled out! Good luck with your venture.
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Good luck with it. I filled out the long version of the survey for ya.
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secure
light
cheap

pick two

i wouldn't count ease of use as a factor, really. putting a key in a cylinder or wrapping a chain isn't that complicated a task.

i filled out the long one, so good luck to you!
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i wouldn't count ease of use as a factor, really. putting a key in a cylinder or wrapping a chain isn't that complicated a task.
If you were to invent a bike lock that was 10x more complex as a current lock, but 3x lighter and 3x more secure, I think I'd buy that Ease of use isn't at the top of my concerns for a lock.
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I'd love a lighter weight lock that still has high security rating. I'm not comfortable with the security ratings on some of the smaller, lighter weight locks. It seems like security and weight are inversely proportional and that there's just no way around it. The only truly higher rated locks are super bomber chains and d-locks that weight about 4-5 pounds and that is just unacceptably heavy for me to carry around on a regular basis. I don't carry a lock that heavy for convenience sake, but only if I know that I am going to be parking outside somewhere (I currently park my commuter inside where I work).
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You should work on inventing locks, not loans. The banking industry is tough competition.
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Originally Posted by srsly
secure
light
cheap

pick two

i wouldn't count ease of use as a factor, really. putting a key in a cylinder or wrapping a chain isn't that complicated a task.

i filled out the long one, so good luck to you!
Pssh, pick one. If you know of any really secure lightweight locks, please let me know.
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I'm amazed how little bikes have progressed since the first safety bikes, let alone locks. I'm equally amazed at what consumers pay for bike components, including locks.

Edit: Quick question. Would you lock your bike to a handicap parking sign?

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I filled out the long version of the survey.

What we call U locks are hard to find in my area, and I think alot of people neglect to lock their bikes unless they're at the university or some place like that.

I'd like a secure lock that's easy to store on the bike itself, and isn't at risk of getting away when I hit a big bump or something like that.
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Old 07-11-07, 07:43 PM
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I took the long version as well.

And just some friendly, constructive critisism: Avoid asking survey questions in the negative (question 13). Written surveys already have the disadvantage of being easy to misunderstand, so there's no sense in making it worse by employing a tactic that testwriters have used for years to confuse students.

On the other hand, it goes without saying that the members of this forum are a pretty shrewd crowd
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I wonder if a cable style with a casing filled with tar would be an improvement. You kind of have to look at the tools being used.
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Filled out both.....hope you can come up with something cool.
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Originally Posted by gharding
If you were to invent a bike lock that was 10x more complex as a current lock, but 3x lighter and 3x more secure, I think I'd buy that Ease of use isn't at the top of my concerns for a lock.
Ditto. Even if it was 3x more expensive too.
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I'd be more concerned with making my lock easier to carry around than "easier to use". I really don't even know what that means in terms of a bike lock. That it takes less time to lock and unlock the bike?

I like my current lock setup, but wish I could get the same security in a physically smaller package than this:
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Filled it out. Looking forward to the final product.
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Originally Posted by Ornery
I'm amazed how little bikes have progressed since the first safety bikes, let alone locks. I'm equally amazed at what consumers pay for bike components, including locks.

Edit: Quick question. Would you lock your bike to a handicap parking sign?
I've done it. Sometimes it's the only thing handy to lock to.
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Originally Posted by Ornery
Edit: Quick question. Would you lock your bike to a handicap parking sign?
I might. I wouldn't avoid it because they're handicapped spots, I'd avoid it because putting my bike between a car and a hard place seems like a good way to get it squished. I've seen a lot of drivers accidentally "lurch" forward and bump something in front of them when parking.
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I found this survey unhelpfull and limited. I was unable to complete it for the following reasons.
I own many locks, locks are tools the right lock for the right job. I would not use a U Lock if I lock up to a telephone pole or tree, but if I know I have a sturdy pole I'll use a U lock. If it's in the garage I'll use a cable.

What people want in a lock is
1: High Security
2: Easy to carry
3: Fits around large poles as bike racks are non existant or cheaply made

Onguard makes a large diameter armoured cable that comes closehttp://www.onguardlock.com/lockviewer.php?type=armour&model=5024

A Krypto chain is a little better but heavier

I would like something that is power tool resistant, maybe stainless steel or titanium or some resistant alloy.
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Originally Posted by Ornery
Edit: Quick question. Would you lock your bike to a handicap parking sign?
Only if I could lock up with my bike between the two facing h'cap spots so I wouldn't be obstructing one of them. In between the signs, if there were two signs. If it's just one post with a sign on either side, and there's no parking blocks at the head of the spaces, then I wouldn't.

My fiancee parks in the h'cap spots since her car accident 9 years ago, so I've become very familiar with the rules and reg's regarding the h'cap parking spots. (Lots of people around here abuse these spots.) If you had your bike locked such that it was in the parking spot, you could get ticketed for obstructing the spot. Around here, it's a $250.00 fine the first time, and it keeps going up for future violations.
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I'm amazed how little bikes have progressed since the first safety bikes, let alone locks. I'm equally amazed at what consumers pay for bike components, including locks.

Edit: Quick question. Would you lock your bike to a handicap parking sign?
Would, and have. But only after thinking about how people would get in and out of a car in that space and how they would move from there to their destination, and making sure that my bike won't be making it any harder for them.
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Edit: Quick question. Would you lock your bike to a handicap parking sign?
Nope. Signs are easy to remove and from there it's nothing but a pole that any joker can lift the bike off.
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My son was concerned about hitching up to a handicap sign, because of the legality I guess. I didn't even give it a second thought. The sign in question is separated by parking curbs, so the bike is obstructing nobody. The sign is as secure as a stop sign in the pavement, so I'm not too worried about somebody uprooting it at the entrance of a busy grocery store.

About the lock questionnaire: I answered it all with an eye on bang for the buck and convenience. My bike is secured with a rear wheel lock for quick errands, and cable lock for longer periods. Mine is generally not out of my sight. My son's uses a combination U-Lock always.
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The sign is as secure as a stop sign in the pavement, so I'm not too worried about somebody uprooting it at the entrance of a busy grocery store.
You missed the point entirely. Signs like stop signs and handicapped parking signs are bolted to the pole. Don't kid yourself, any asshat with a couple of adjustable wrenches can steal a bike locked to a signpost in short order.
This is a stop sign in my neighborhood

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My "Hatchet" would plow through quicker than that, but in front of a busy store, I ain't sweating it. Show me any scheme that's truly impenetrable.
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