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Old 07-12-07, 11:55 AM
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2007 Dawes Lightning Sport Road Bike

found this online, i was just wondering if any one has good things to say about this bike or any negative things... please any input will help. thank you.


http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-NEW-ROAD-RA...QQcmdZViewItem
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1. you're a shill for bikesdirect.com

2. other posters will chime in with the same message

3. other BD customers will be chagrined because they spent more for less bike

4. the auction will end early due to heavy bidding by BF'rs looking for a deal

5. it's only one size, so if it fits and you have the $$$, why not?

6. the auction ad is amateurish and garish, but others have purchased w/no problems

7. you'll receive no after-sale support, but if you can wrench it's no problem

8. butter-knife off the decals and you can make the bike look like any model

9. change your userid to cigtech, then smoke other riders on your local MUP, post your times, avg speed, and sit back with popcorn and watch the fun!

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- i've purchased via BD before and am happy with my bike...

- this one looks cheaper than you can find used, so i'm wondering about the frame and/or parts... (i really like the Maxxis tires but can't seem to find 'em elsewhere)...
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so am i supossed to get from that post that its a decent deal?
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so am i supossed to get from that post that its a decent deal?
- sorry my friend, but i can only offer my own experience as a guide...

- the first bike i purchased as a young adult was back in the late 70s in San Francisco... it was a 10spd steel-framed Viscount (w/the death fork) for $300 [$800 in today's dollars]... i rode it daily from Nob Hill down to the financial district daily for nearly four years... alas, it was (with much remorse in hindsight) abandoned next to a dumpster in the Shirlington area of Arlington, Va. in mid-Summer 2004...

- the next bike purchased was an AL Marin comfort bike [$280] from a dealer at the confluence of the Pinellas Trail and Alt. 19 down here in grifter- and con-man friendly Florida... it was subsequently sold a year later at a yard sale...

- next up was an AL 2003 Specialized Allez Sport 27 [$500]... ridden for thousands of miles, converted to a 2spd-fixie [see sig linky], now hanging as a frameset in the garage...

- followed by a 2003 Merlin Fortius Ti road bike [$2500 - a bargain!] - still in use

- followed by a steel-framed Specialized Crossroads, a $100 pawn shop special [see sig linky] that remains my favorite ride as a cross/MUP/shopping bike ...

- followed by a Serotta steel-framed cyclocross bike [$1800] purchased as an impulse item a year ago...

- and finally, a group-buy CF Pedal Force RS [frameset for $550], currently a singlespeed, but soon to be a 9spd Dura-Ace comfort/leisure ride...

- so the answer is: Yes, any bike you like in your price range that works for you is a good deal.

- Just Enjoy the Ride.™ [©linux_author 2007]

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Hey! I have the same bike, but they call it a motobecane. IMO you are better off putting that money towards a more quality bike. When i bought mine i had just got my bike stolen so i needed something quick and cheap. It worked for that purpose, and now i have a new bike so the "motobecane" is sitting there for friends/guests.

Just my opinion.
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ads like that are the reason I hate ebay, and occasionally have extremely violent fantasies about making their creators understand why.
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Originally Posted by linux_author
- i've purchased via BD before and am happy with my bike...
Ditto.
I got the Mercier Galaxy alluminum and it works great. Definitely not high-end components, but it works.
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for the past 4-5 weeks i have been looking for a decent used road bike (54 cm) and havent been able to find one within my range (200) and i think im going to give up pretty soon and just buy that one on e-bay.... it sucks but i would like something to start riding.

I have called all local bike stores and none of them have anything in that price range or anything at all...
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Originally Posted by spacemanps
found this online, i was just wondering if any one has good things to say about this bike or any negative things... please any input will help. thank you.


http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-NEW-ROAD-RA...QQcmdZViewItem
I have the 2006 Dawes Lightning sport that I got from chicabike on ebay... I have about 800 miles on mine and the only thing that I have done to the bike is put an stem extender on it (so that I can hit the drops now and then...) and to replace the rear tire because of wear (not sure if its because of the quality of the tire or just because Im a clydesdale... )

now my bike is a steel frame, the one you are looking is probably aluminum which is fairly common nowadays... I have not had any problems with the components... they are low end shimano but the derailers shift smoothly and the brakes work great.

edit: actually this is the same bike that I have... guess I should have looked at it before
making the reply... but I have had no regrets buying the bike...
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Originally Posted by spacemanps
found this online, i was just wondering if any one has good things to say about this bike or any negative things... please any input will help. thank you.


http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-NEW-ROAD-RA...QQcmdZViewItem
I bought a Motobecane Fantom Cross from this seller, zero issues, they even exchanged the size for me.

what others have said is true: you better be ready to work on it yourself.
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thank you guys for you responses. i REALLY appreciate it. If anything i would want to work on the bike. I really like to understand the way things work and i like to do my own work. I have a friend that works for Elite bikes out of philly and he is really good at what he does. And they sell reallllly nice bikes, (http://www.elitebicycles.com/SITE/homePage.php) and i can always ask him for help.
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Originally Posted by spacemanps
thank you guys for you responses. i REALLY appreciate it. If anything i would want to work on the bike. I really like to understand the way things work and i like to do my own work. I have a friend that works for Elite bikes out of philly and he is really good at what he does. And they sell reallllly nice bikes, (http://www.elitebicycles.com/SITE/homePage.php) and i can always ask him for help.
you can also go to amazon or another bookseller like barnes & noble, or Borders and get a bicycle maintenance book... not that expensive...

If there is something that I can't do... I take it to the LBS and they usually have no problems fixing it but it will cost some money. but if you add that cost to the original cost of the bike you still come out being ahead in terms of price/value on the bike...
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Thanks for joining the Forums and posting a link to a "BikesDirect" E-Bay auction. I can't tell you how long it has been since someone joined the Forums, and immediately began posting links to a "BikesDirect" auction or website...it probably has not happened for hours and hours.

Some folks may think you WORK for Bikes Direct. And, of course, if you DID work for BikesDirect, you know exactly how good their bikes are. A $300 BikesDirect bike ("List price $80,000 dollars) is usually worth $250 to $300...a bike they sell for $500 ("List price: a Zillion Dollars") is actually worth about $450 to $500...but YOU would know that if you work for them, right?

On the other hand, if you have NO relationship to BikesDirect, and you want to find a good bike, there is an easy way to do so. Just visit three or four bike shops in your neighborhood. Look at and test ride the bikes in your price range. Buy the bike that "feels right" from whichever shop gives you the best personal service.
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
Thanks for joining the Forums and posting a link to a "BikesDirect" E-Bay auction. I can't tell you how long it has been since someone joined the Forums, and immediately began posting links to a "BikesDirect" auction or website...it probably has not happened for hours and hours.
you are welcome and of course the information on my experience is valid...

Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
Some folks may think you WORK for Bikes Direct. And, of course, if you DID work for BikesDirect, you know exactly how good their bikes are. A $300 BikesDirect bike ("List price $80,000 dollars) is usually worth $250 to $300...a bike they sell for $500 ("List price: a Zillion Dollars") is actually worth about $450 to $500...but YOU would know that if you work for them, right?
well, if they did think I work for them, they would be wrong... I work for a computer software corporation...though, this does make me wonder if you work/own a bike shop... so I guess that can go both ways... oh and I love your condescending tone...

Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
On the other hand, if you have NO relationship to BikesDirect, and you want to find a good bike, there is an easy way to do so. Just visit three or four bike shops in your neighborhood. Look at and test ride the bikes in your price range. Buy the bike that "feels right" from whichever shop gives you the best personal service.
I don't have any problem with buying as much bike as one can afford... though it does seem that disseminating info on the lower end bikes for people that can't afford the higher end bikes does seem to bother you... so much the better...
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I don't have any problem with buying as much bike as one can afford... though it does seem that disseminating info on the lower end bikes for people that can't afford the higher end bikes does seem to bother you... so much the better...
You have hit the nail on the head. The issue for new cyclists IS "buying as much bike as one can afford".

Because I leave in a neighborhood with two shops operated by the folks that own BikesDirect, I meet a lot of their customers. Many of these folks are unhappy with their bikes, because the bike is "too big", "too small", "doesn't shift", "doesn't brake", "the wheel is wobbly"...issues related to proper fit, proper assembly, proper tuning, proper wheel truing.

These folks then either hang their bikes up, and stop riding, or take the bikes to a good bike shop to be properly assembled, get the wheels trued, get the shifting and braking tuned up. Doing those things really well costs $100 or so. But, the bike may STILL be "too big" or "too small".

People are fooled by the astoundingly high "list" prices at BikesDirect into thinking these bikes are worth more than the selling price. A BD bike is NEVER worth more than the selling price...BikesDirect is a business, not a charity...they buy bikes, mark UP the price, and sell them for a good profit..that's how a successful business stays in business.

For a new cyclist to get "as much bike as one can afford", they need to visit four or five bike shops in their neighborhood. Let them know their needs, their riding style, and their price range. Test ride the bikes. Find out the best size.

And then, buy from the shop that was most clearly focused on providing high quality personal service. That sort of shop will make sure the customer is on the RIGHT bike, and then fine-tune the set-up of the bike to precisely fit the rider. They will assemble and tune the bike, true the wheels, and then re-tune the bike and retrue the wheels after a few weeks of "break-in" riding.

And THAT is how someone gets "as much bike as one can afford".
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
Because I leave in a neighborhood with two shops operated by the folks that own BikesDirect, I meet a lot of their customers. Many of these folks are unhappy with their bikes, because the bike is "too big", "too small", "doesn't shift", "doesn't brake", "the wheel is wobbly"...issues related to proper fit, proper assembly, proper tuning, proper wheel truing.
I guess a total novice that has no mechanical abilities really needs to go to a shop... but assuming that one is not an idiot and doesn't need to be fitted as if he were doing either a triathlon or the tour de france then you can get a mail order bike that will fit you and you can get a introduction into cycling as a recreation... if you are planning to do some racing then probably a bike shop is necessary to try the different bikes.. but I really doubt that someone that wants to try out cycling is going to pay 800 or more for the experience... I know I didn't and I enjoy the bike that I bought... will I upgrade at some point? I am thinking about it and will probably bite the bullet, but while I think about what I want, I have a perfectly useable bike for recreational / fitness riding.

now with that said... since you seem to be involved in a bike shop in one way or another...
I bought a bike from my LBS, it was a trek 7100... perfectly fine bike but I bought it because I couldn't find a "road bike" that I could afford... but it was heavy and didn't like it... I finally gave it to a family member (and so it sits unused as we speak so I guess your argument about bikes from anywhere but a bike shop will be fitted to you and will get used is a bunch horsepucky)

why is it that bike shops don't sell lower end "road bikes"? its not like there isn't a demand for them, and the technology doesn't have to be top of the line... mine came with stem shifters like bikes from the 80's... given the choice between getting the bike I did from mail order or from my LBS, I would have gone with the LBS even if if were more expensive just for the things you have said... the ability to try them out... to verify the size, and for the idea that the bike is "safe" to ride...

you guys run your shops similar to a car dealer that has only two types of vehicles the lambourghini's and the SUV's and wonder why some would rather drive something more fuel efficient...

rather than berate buyers for what they want... maybe you should start thinking about trying to stock something for the lower end roadie...
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i have a real problem with the shops around me. I live in North Jersey and the bike shops in my area sell more high end bikes. They sort of look down on me when i say that i have a 200-300 dollar price budget. and just plain out say, we dont have anything we reccomend starting out with this and point to a 1200 bike. and i am not going to start out with that. because i dont even now if i will end up enjoying it. So LBS sort of irritate me. and i am stick in the possition to look around the interent for what i can find....
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dude i a dawes i ride it everywere in all types of weather hit all types of pot holes even rear ended a truck yesterday goin about 10-15. didnt bend the rim or anything, solid bike. i would get it man.

good for a commuter or on some good long rides out in the country. i would not race with the bike but if your not planning on racing in the near future GET THIS BIKE
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thanks for the input
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Just remember to get the wheels trued, dished correctly, and spokes properly tensioned. Most, if not all, mail order bikes need this done as an absolute minimum extra cost...so add/save about $40 to get this done at your local LBS. The rest of the bike can easily be assembled and the drivetrain and brakes adjusted by yourself. Plenty of online guides to help you or just pay your local LBS to assemble and adjust the bike for you.
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Originally Posted by spacemanps
i have a real problem with the shops around me. I live in North Jersey and the bike shops in my area sell more high end bikes. They sort of look down on me when i say that i have a 200-300 dollar price budget. and just plain out say, we dont have anything we reccomend starting out with this and point to a 1200 bike. and i am not going to start out with that. because i dont even now if i will end up enjoying it. So LBS sort of irritate me. and i am stick in the possition to look around the interent for what i can find....
yeah, I live in south jersey and the shops are better but I do get that condescending attitude around here as well... I also think that a new cyclist doesn't really know what he wants in a bike until after riding one for awhile...
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well the end of the story is that i ended up finding a 21.5 inch road bike at a tag sale down the street. Little rust on the rims, but nothing a little elbow grease cant solve or just a new set of rims. But i paid $25 for it. its a Raliegh sport (i think). and i took it to a LBS, and they said they will tune it for 40 and put new tires and tubes, and new brake pads. All costing about $100 in repairs. So for 125 i got a pretty nice commuter bike. i will post pics when i get the bike back.
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well the end of the story is that i ended up finding a 21.5 inch road bike at a tag sale down the street. Little rust on the rims, but nothing a little elbow grease cant solve or just a new set of rims. But i paid $25 for it. its a Raliegh sport (i think). and i took it to a LBS, and they said they will tune it for 40 and put new tires and tubes, and new brake pads. All costing about $100 in repairs. So for 125 i got a pretty nice commuter bike. i will post pics when i get the bike back.
cool! I would be interested in seeing the bike...
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Folks, I have no problem with Bikes Direct or with bike shops per se, but the real way to get as much bike for your money regardless of price range is simply to go used. Yes, there is some risk there but that is one reason why the prices are lower (market adjusts for risk).

Some examples of "the most bike for my money" I have bought.
1. 2001 TCR 0 full Dura Ace (raced and ridden hard) bought in 2004 for $800 (racer friend)
2. 2002 Giant NRS 1 full XT (like new) bought in 2005 for $1200 (mtbr.com)
3. mid 1980's Giant road bike full 105 bought in 2006 for $215 shipped (ebay)
4. 1999 Jamis Eclipse road bike (full Tiagra) bought in 2005 for $360 shipped (ebay)
5. 1997 Trek road bike w/ carbon frame and full 105 sti bought in 2007 for $400 (ebay)
6. mid 1980's centurion road bike (exage components) bought in 2007 for $100 (ebay)
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8. mid 1990's jamis mtb full STX bought in 2003 for $45 (ebay) (one of my favorite bikes).
9. early 1980's peugeot road bike bought in 2006 for $3 (thrift store miracle)
10. early 1980's peugeot road bike bought in 2006 for $40 (thrift store fair buy)
11. early 1980's schwinn world sport road bike in 2006 for $3 (thrift store miracle)l
12. early 1980's raleigh marathon in 2006 for $3 (thrift store miracle; and that one included brand new specialized spd pedals!!!!)

I love all of these bikes and have been carefully purchasing some of them for friends/family. If you are educated, know how to wrench, and know how to buy online as to minimize risk, there is little reason not to go used. Just my opinion and experience.

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Originally Posted by spacemanps
well the end of the story is that i ended up finding a 21.5 inch road bike at a tag sale down the street. Little rust on the rims, but nothing a little elbow grease cant solve or just a new set of rims. But i paid $25 for it. its a Raliegh sport (i think). and i took it to a LBS, and they said they will tune it for 40 and put new tires and tubes, and new brake pads. All costing about $100 in repairs. So for 125 i got a pretty nice commuter bike. i will post pics when i get the bike back.

You made a great choice. I look forward to seeing it.
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