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Old 09-10-07, 08:24 PM
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Looking for a new Bike

I want a new (or used) road-style commuter.

Steel (frame and fork)
105 or equal (triple in front)
room and brazeons for racks and fenders
Drops and brifters

I don't see these in my LBS's, even though there are some good shops around here. Any clues where to find this?
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I know what you meen. Where I live the LBS's had nothing either,though they are offered by companies .It's just that Aluminum and carbon has taken a large share. Some areas here and apparently your area,depending on ..whatever ??, shops don't stock steel. Triples have for the past 2 or3 years been availble on fewer and fewer bikes,105 is no exception. Tiagra may be a group you should focus on. Seems 105 equiped bikes have been more along the racey lines of bikes. E-bay has many bikes but 105 triples are scarce and costly,most brifter bikes simply are 2 to 4 hundred. www.jamisbikes.com click on it. The aurora is a really good one.It's an easy site to use. Trek has the 520. Bianchi has some too,their dealers are scarce in some (my) regions. Very few compaies currently make want you want.
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Jamis Nova and Kona Sutra come to mine, though the Nova is a cyclocross with a compact double. For the 08 lineup word is it will be billed as the "Aurora Elite" and it has a triple (in the pictures I've seen). Otherwise identical, with full 105.

The sutra has avid BB7 discs and mostly 105 (mountain der. in back, I think) for 2007, but it's changed for 08. I saw one in the LBS and it has a tiagra front der. and barcons instead of brifters.

Otherwise, the Surly Long Haul Trucker may be a little cheaper component wise than you want, but it's close. Ditto the Trek 520.

EDIT: The 08 Lemond Poprad is suposed to go back to cantilevers. I don't know if it still has a carbon fork. You could buy one (07 if you want discs) and swap in a surly or kona fork (the project2 fork that comes ont he sutra has full eyelets)
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My local Jamis dealer doesn't even stock the Aurora!

I am guessing if I order it I will pay a premium. Oh well.

Maybe Tiagra is just as good, but not as light?
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Check out the Bianchi Volpe. I had one a few months ago and it's a nice bike. Tiagra components. Low gearing, triple crank and steel frame and fork. Has braze-ons for racks front and rear. I bought mine (2006 model) off Craigslist for $650.
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The Volpe and Crosscheck come to mind.
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My advice would be to find a good local bike shop that can order you a commute/touring frame such as a Salsa Casseroll, Soma Smoothie (or ES) or Surley Long Haul Trucker. You could build up any of these frames with 105 level components for about $1,000 or so. All them them have eyelets for racks and fenders. The Surley is more suitable for loaded touring if you ever get the bent, but is heavier (and less expensive). My preference would be the Salsa because the geometry suits me better and I like the way it looks.
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My advice would be to find a good local bike shop that can order you a commute/touring frame such as a Salsa Casseroll, Soma Smoothie (or ES) or Surley Long Haul Trucker. You could build up any of these frames with 105 level components for about $1,000 or so. All them them have eyelets for racks and fenders. The Surley is more suitable for loaded touring if you ever get the bent, but is heavier (and less expensive). My preference would be the Salsa because the geometry suits me better and I like the way it looks.
or SO .. I'll say.. way MORE so.. I've investigated your options ever which way but loose, try $1,200 to 1,400 hundred.. OH and that's WITHOUT brifters. Add another $150 for brifters. Actually the Salsa you're looking REAL close to $1,700.
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I see the Fuji Touring at the Performance Bikes around here. They also carry the Fuji Cross bike. They should be able to order it in your size If theyndon't
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REI's Randonee:
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Yeah I like the Randonee, how are the specs? It seems to have MTB gearing, rear der...
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many of the bikes discussed here are touring bikes. If you want the triple up front then I'm not sure why you wouldn't want the MTB gearing in the back? It provides a much wider range of gearing. The touring bikes make excellent commuter bikes and even pretty good road bikes. Another one for you to check out... the Rocky Mountain Sherpa 30. Alot of comments and threads on bike forums (look in the touring threads.)
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Originally Posted by Junkdad View Post
I want a new (or used) road-style commuter.

Steel (frame and fork)
105 or equal (triple in front)
room and brazeons for racks and fenders
Drops and brifters

I don't see these in my LBS's, even though there are some good shops around here. Any clues where to find this?
Bianchi Volpe or Surly Crosscheck = desired wish.
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Bianchi Volpe or Surly Crosscheck = desired wish.
Except that those are Tiagra level, not 105. Just sayin.'
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Except that those are Tiagra level, not 105. Just sayin.'
OK -- upgraded Bianchi Volpe or Crosscheck = desired wish.

(I guess we shouldn't get into the fact that OP most likely wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Tiagra and 105)
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I have heard the Tiagra brifters are nice, so it's looking like Bianchi Volpe, Jamis Aurora or Nova, or possibly even Novara Randonee.
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I've used Tiagra brifters for 6 months. I'm waiting for them to annoy me enough(or break) to throw on the dura-ace setup I have sitting in a box. I'm pretty impressed with tiagra thus far and my dura-ace is collecting dust atm. I'm sure with cyclocross season coming I'll break something! We'll see.

If you make your own bike. Ebay for components. I got a brand new full dura ace set for ~$750. You can get ultegra for around $450 and 105 for ~$300.
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If you're using a mountain bike rear der it's true that one of the biggest "advantages" of 105 and up is lost, because all mountain stuff is 9spd anyways. So if you use 105 shifters with a amountain bike setup in back, you won't get 10 speed.

I'm not knocking Tiagra, it's a great group. I'm just pointing out that the OP stated a desire for 105.
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If you're using a mountain bike rear der it's true that one of the biggest "advantages" of 105 and up is lost, because all mountain stuff is 9spd anyways. So if you use 105 shifters with a amountain bike setup in back, you won't get 10 speed.

I'm not knocking Tiagra, it's a great group. I'm just pointing out that the OP stated a desire for 105.
Fair enough, M_S. Junkdad -- if you know bikes and component groups and want 105, then go for it. But, if you don't have any preference or knowledge about group sets other than the ranking hierarchy, don't be scared of Tiagra. I've had it on my commuting bike for nearly a year and am satisfied with it -- it's reliable and a little less expensive. FWIW.
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Well, what I am looking for is comfort, ease of use, and durability. I think tiagra and deore might actually be a good combination for that. I'd actually rather have NOS 9spd 105 if I got 105, cause 10 speed chains seem finicky and short-lived.
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Well, what I am looking for is comfort, ease of use, and durability. I think tiagra and deore might actually be a good combination for that. I'd actually rather have NOS 9spd 105 if I got 105, cause 10 speed chains seem finicky and short-lived.
It would save you a few hundred bucks. Hop on a few Tiagra-equipped bikes and see what you think. Good luck!
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I've decided the Lemond Poprad is my best fit.
Steel, road style
105 (w/ mtn double in front)
Brifters

My LBS can get either a 2008 poprad disc or non-disc (canti's).

I'm leaning toward the canti's if only because I prefer the frame color. But also because I'm hesitant to get disc brakes. I guess I'd like some input on disc vs. not disc.

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Well, what I am looking for is comfort, ease of use, and durability. I think tiagra and deore might actually be a good combination for that. I'd actually rather have NOS 9spd 105 if I got 105, cause 10 speed chains seem finicky and short-lived.
My deore rear deraileur (on the Aurora) is taking a frustratingly long time to die, at which point I can reward myself with an upgrade. Well over 3000 road miles and several hundred off road miles since I got the bike and it is showing no signs of failure, and doesn't even go out of adjustment easily. I've riddn borrowed bikes with XT, and that was crisper, but not a LOT crisper. When it comes down to it, shifters are probably a lot more important than deraileurs, but bike companies seem to think that a better way to spec is with a full group and one step higher rear derailleur. I'd take a one level lower derailleur to get better shifters. Bah humbug.

For what it's worth, my next bike will probably be 105 level. I'm kind of curious to try 10 speed, and I can't resist a little bling (105 may not be blingy over at the road forum, but I'll take what I can get on a college budget).


As to discs vs. cantis: It's come up over and over again. I have no experience with discs, so I can't comment.
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Discs rock. I won't commute on anything but. Work in all weather,way longer pad life,don't junk up the rims or lower bike with pad dust,don't care how true your rims are,don't wear on your rims,fewer adjustments,and easier to change pads. Avid BB7's(on the Poprad) are very easy to set up since they have knobs to adjust the pads.
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Thanks! Lately, I'm having second thoughts about the low spoke count wheels.

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