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Old 09-19-07, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Stujoe View Post
Will a rider on a bike 'trigger' a green light if there is no traffic around? Or trigger a left green arrow if there is no cars there?
Obviously that depends upon the light and how it is operated. I 'trigger' all the lights on my commute. Used to have a couple that didn't - I treated them as a stop sign, or, if traffic was heavy on the cross street, I'd ride up to the ped button and push it...no big deal.

This morning I had a driver decide he didn't feel like waiting for a light because there was no traffic, just a bike - me. When I hollered as I skidded to a stop to avoid plowing into him, he just flipped me off. But what the heck, he was just following the same rules that some cyclists do...which is whatever they feel like if they think they can get away with it. Yeah, traffic laws are just another way for 'the man' to keep us down.
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I was curious if they do or not because I haven't had to deal with any which don't have traffic almost all the time. I have to deal with very few stop lights at all on my commute, thankfully. 2 each way and there is always traffic. One I have to make a left turn at on the way home and I always use the pedestrian signal because I don't like being in the busy single traffic lane with the community college kids leaving school.

I have a lot of 4 way stop signs, though. Those don't bother me at all. as it is a pretty common bike route and people fairly well expect to see bikes.
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Old 09-19-07, 08:22 PM
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I don't run red lights. Fortunately for me, all of the lights on my commute have pedestrian buttons I can push to trigger a green.
I do it for three reasons:
1) I don't want to ever give a car an excuse to hit me (also why I only wear my iPod on the path and take the earbuds out on the streets).
2) Karma. The more rules I break, the more I feel like it's likely to come back around on me.
3) I almost get hit all the time when I'm OBEYING the law! I'm not about to start breaking it!!

But if I had a light that I couldn't trigger, I'd probably run it. I'd stop first and wait until there were no cars ANYWHERE though..

I wouldn't judge us all based on a moron. I mean, the guy's probably trying to get killed. Car drivers act crazy, too.

And good luck getting going with your bike commuting!!
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Old 09-19-07, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by madfiNch View Post
3) I almost get hit all the time when I'm OBEYING the law!
That may be part of why you "almost get hit all the time". Not to condone law-breaking per se, but in some situations breaking the law actually makes you safer.

P.S. Perhaps more to the point, it is a mistake to think that obeying the law per se somehow makes you safer. What makes you safer is knowing where trouble may come from and figuring out how to prevent it, or avoid it if it happens anyway. Most of the time following the law is what is required to keep you out of accidents. Sometimes, however, breaking the law is safer. Moreover, there are many different ways to follow the law. For example, curb-hugging in a narrow lane and riding in the centre of a narrow lane are both perfectly legal. However, one is much safer than the other.

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Old 09-20-07, 06:32 AM
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[QUOTE=Chris L;5297515]A newbie who turns up, has a whinge in one forum only, then disappears when their view is challenged. Most newbies who are "planning on beginning soon" would be asking for advice, but this guy just registers and decides to rant. Hmmmm.


I actually have this thing called work, that doesn't allow me to spend all day reading posts and responding. Yes I did just want to vent, but I've been lurking at this forum for about 2 weeks, doing research to see how it would be to start. I have not asked questions on how to start, because there is this thing about forums that if you ask a question that has been asked before, you get flamed, so I just use the search for my questions. Thank you!
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Old 09-20-07, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sfcrossrider View Post
The rider on the bike almost was killed for being stupid. If he had been killed... you all would be b!tching about bad drivers.
Don't be telling me what I would do, and don't roll your little eyes at me, either.
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Old 09-20-07, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
Don't be telling me what I would do, and don't roll your little eyes at me, either.
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Old 09-20-07, 07:32 AM
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You ride the road as a vehicle and expect to be treated as a vehicle - so you abide by the laws.

I say things to people riding a bicycle (POS with recycle can garbage bags, etc) and other bicyclists even in full kits - if they're on the wrong side of the road and if they blow lights. Even told one of my riding partners if he ever "pulled that stunt again" and didn't stop for lights and unclip like the rest of us - then I didn't want to ride with him anymore. (he hates to unclip - so he did the most assinine thing on a busy 4 lane/4 way intersection - of not coming to a stop - rather he took a quick right - no cars in the lane - then basically did a couple of figure 8's around a stopped car - in order to wait for the other 4 lanes of traffic to clear so he could finally cross. I was ... speechless. What an idiot)
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Old 09-20-07, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Stujoe View Post
Will a rider on a bike 'trigger' a green light if there is no traffic around? Or trigger a left green arrow if there is no cars there?
Not always. Look for the circles/squares of tar gap-filler before you get to the intersection, and ride through the middle of them. Riding over those induction loops can sometimes trigger the light. I know that it works for one intersection on my commute, but on another one it does not.
Fortunately the law (in Washington) states that in the case of a malfunctioning signal* I may go through on the red after having made a complete stop and checking for other traffic. If cross traffic is light and I can make it across, then I'll just go. If cross traffic is heavy, then I'll head to the corner and hit the ped-x-ing button, then get back in the LTOL and wait.

*malfunctioning signal (for turn arrows) as defined by RCW means that 2 cycles of the opposing light have switched, but no turn arrow was given for your lane.
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Old 09-20-07, 09:11 AM
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The induction loops on my ride don't work at all for bikes. Neither do the ped-x-ing buttons, unless you're standing right there. I've tried pressing them, and then gone back to wait in the street, and nothing happens.
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Old 09-20-07, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
Yeah, you roll your eyes at everybody, don't you? Guess you're not quite the mature, schoolteacherish, I'm-gonna-tell-you-kids-how-to-behave authority figure that you like to project, are you?
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Old 09-20-07, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
Yeah, you roll your eyes at everybody, don't you? Guess you're not quite the mature, schoolteacherish, I'm-gonna-tell-you-kids-how-to-behave authority figure that you like to project, are you?
Is that what I project?

Sister, me thinks you needs glasses.
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Don't be telling me what I would do, and don't roll your little eyes at me, either.
I'm sorry "little". I'll never do it again.
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Old 09-20-07, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
Is that what I project?

Sister, me thinks you needs glasses.
Could be I do; could be several others here do; could be that 20/20 vision sees you getting pretty preachy at times. Something to think about.
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Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
Could be I do; could be several others here do; could be that 20/20 vision sees you getting pretty preachy at times. Something to think about.
Of course I get preachy, I get a lot of things, as do you. If I ever become one-dimensional, please shoot me immediately...or syndicate me as a cartoon.
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Old 09-20-07, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
Of course I get preachy, I get a lot of things, as do you. If I ever become one-dimensional, please shoot me immediately...or syndicate me as a cartoon.
With the way you spew emoticons, you don't need any syndication as a cartoon, you're pretty much there already, or your posts are. Thanks for posting one without, btw. I hate the goddamn things.
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What he said ^^^
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Some people are stupid. Some people ride bikes. Most people drive cars.
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But what the heck, he was just following the same rules that some cyclists do...which is whatever they feel like if they think they can get away with it.
Except that when i do it i actually look before blowing a light. And i doubt i will seriously hurt the driver of a vehicle if i slam into it.








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This morning I had a driver decide he didn't feel like waiting for a light because there was no traffic, just a bike - me. When I hollered as I skidded to a stop to avoid plowing into him, he just flipped me off. But what the heck, he was just following the same rules that some cyclists do...which is whatever they feel like if they think they can get away with it.
I know that was intended to be sarcastic, but it actually describes a common situation in this part of the world. I generally follow the road rules (for "generally" read: "more often than 99% of the sanctimonious people who whine about what everyone else is doing"), but I'm about the only one who does. I've had situations where I've had to take evasive action because of people in cars running red lights, and I've even become quite adept at predicting it because I've had the practice.

To those who argue that "we should follow the same laws as car drivers", I merely ask what do you advise in situations where the car drivers aren't following the law? This is a question a lot of people seem reluctant to answer -- I was even asked not to post on bikejournal.com by one of the moderators because I dared to ask it, and consequently disturbed "forum harmony". My take on it is that you follow the laws as well as you can safely, but I'm not going to do it if the sheer number of drivers breaking the law in that area means that it would put my own life in danger. If drivers have a problem with that, they should consider following the law themselves, which would negate the need for anyone else to break it.
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I was bicycling home from work tonight. It was dark. I approached a right turn I needed to make, and the light turned green. I checked for cross traffic as I rode up on the intersection -

a bus on the cross street blatantly ran the red light (it wasn't even yellow when he entered the intersection)

man, i hate those drivers that give motorists a bad name.

To the OP- get over your pet peeve about bicyclists that 'break the rules' - there's an awful lot of rule breaking being done on the roads by everybody.

One of my pet peeves is a so called 'bicyclist' complaining about all the 'bad bicyclists' out there.
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First, I am not yet a commuter biker, but I am planning on beginning soon. That being said, can you all let me vent on a pet peeve of mine? This morning as I was coming to work, I was driving west on a four lane divided boulevard. As I was coming up to an intersection, that my way of traffic had the right of way for, I had one of those bicyclists that gives all the rest a bad name decide that the red light that he had did not apply to him. Traffic was light, but there was still some, and he decided to start riding across causing me to have to break heavily to keep from ending his commute right there. Of course, the patient man that I am, laid on the horn and yelled at him to use the light. All of that being said, may I thank all of you who do obey the rules of the road, and I look forward to the day that I can join you all in my commute (I have to be able to work up to a 40+ mile round trip commute).
Gently rolling through stop signs is one thing, but the ONLY lights I ever run are the ones I know well, and know that they won't change for a bicycle.

(so it probably wasn't me) (that is, unless it was a red Trek road bike, then it may have been me) (but I doubt it) (don't usually ride on the northside except for the Monon or on farm roads) (or south of 75th west of Meridian) (I doubt it was me) (I hope it wasn't me)

(it may have been me)
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It seems the aggressive attitude we get from drivers is not only toward us the cyclists. It seems to me that just because its a bigger vehicle that they can just run you over. I have done a survey here at work with motorcyclists and they to have some tales to tell from wreckless inconsiderate drivers.

I have to add that I have a small commuter vehicle and get the same "get off the road" attitude from SUVs and EGO driven machos Ford Diesel 350 Escalade truck drivers or any overly torqued vehicle.

AND before I forget what about those club bikers that blast their Harleys on weekend on rural roads thinking they are on a circuit race?

Last week I almost got hit by a biker while I was riding the line on a very curvy road. It was a 25 mph zone and this huge bike club flew by and not even one lowered the speed. I am more scared of bikers as they tend to shave the turns and its exactly the same spot where I am at on the road. If it is very windy like the other day I could not tell until the last second that one of them was approaching, it did scared the dudu out of me, everytime I am on those turns I blast through them and look back constantly.

I really do not like the small helmet mirror, but have no choice, but it is almost useless as the turns are so close and are very curvy. I bet it must be very tempting for them as it copy cats the "commercial driving experience" and all of them want to feel that FREEDOM.

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