Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

Venting

Old 09-19-07, 06:45 AM
  #1  
kendral77
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Venting

First, I am not yet a commuter biker, but I am planning on beginning soon. That being said, can you all let me vent on a pet peeve of mine? This morning as I was coming to work, I was driving west on a four lane divided boulevard. As I was coming up to an intersection, that my way of traffic had the right of way for, I had one of those bicyclists that gives all the rest a bad name decide that the red light that he had did not apply to him. Traffic was light, but there was still some, and he decided to start riding across causing me to have to break heavily to keep from ending his commute right there. Of course, the patient man that I am, laid on the horn and yelled at him to use the light. All of that being said, may I thank all of you who do obey the rules of the road, and I look forward to the day that I can join you all in my commute (I have to be able to work up to a 40+ mile round trip commute).
kendral77 is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 06:55 AM
  #2  
thdave
Senior Member
 
thdave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,242
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
No excuse for that. Was it raining?
thdave is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 06:58 AM
  #3  
kendral77
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by thdave View Post
No excuse for that. Was it raining?
No rain. The temp was very nice as well, and the location was on the north side of Indianapolis.
kendral77 is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 08:29 AM
  #4  
lil brown bat
Senior Member
 
lil brown bat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Boston (sort of)
Posts: 3,878

Bikes: 1 road, 1 Urban Assault Vehicle

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by kendral77 View Post
I had one of those bicyclists that gives all the rest a bad name
Do you feel that the actions of every motorist reflect on you? When some dingle does a stupid stunt, do you feel that that gives you a "bad name"?
lil brown bat is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 08:40 AM
  #5  
kendral77
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I neither feel that a stupid motorists actions reflect on all motorists, nor that this one cyclist is a reflection on all cyclists, it was just a figure of speech.

kendral77 is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 09:52 AM
  #6  
lil brown bat
Senior Member
 
lil brown bat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Boston (sort of)
Posts: 3,878

Bikes: 1 road, 1 Urban Assault Vehicle

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by kendral77 View Post
I neither feel that a stupid motorists actions reflect on all motorists, nor that this one cyclist is a reflection on all cyclists, it was just a figure of speech.

It's a very telling figure of speech, I think. If you're going to be a commuter, you might think twice about it; we have enough so-called cyclists who scold cyclists and acts as an apologist for bad motorist behavior.
lil brown bat is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 10:05 AM
  #7  
mikepoole
procrastinating member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Nashville TN
Posts: 202
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
Do you feel that the actions of every motorist reflect on you? When some dingle does a stupid stunt, do you feel that that gives you a "bad name"?
Unfortunately, where there are relatively few cyclists in traffic (such as here in Nashville) those that make the bonehead moves seem to make the motorists feel that _any_ cyclist is a traffic renegade and not to be taken as a serious user of the street... so although I don't feel the dingle gives me personally a bad name, his/her actions do affect me, because motorist/cyclist interactions are rare enough to be notable to the motorist, especially when the interaction is caused by the dingler's stupidity.
mikepoole is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 10:32 AM
  #8  
JeffS
not a role model
 
JeffS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,659
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
First, if your story begins with "I was driving to work", you're probably in the wrong forum.

----

I'm personally pretty fed-up with hearing about running red lights, or giving cyclists a bad name, or making drivers hate "us".

Bottom line - motorists are annoyed by cyclists. They pull out the "ran a red light/ran a stop sign/ rode in the middle of the road" story in an attempt to legitimize their feelings. As long as you're on the road, you're going to annoy them. Trying to mitigate that is pointless.

BTW, the majority of drivers I see during the day are going faster than than the speed limit. So, as far as the kettle's concerned, the pot can STFU.

-------
JeffS is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 11:04 AM
  #9  
Flimflam
Raving looney
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Posts: 2,482

Bikes: 70s Leader Precision w/Shimano 600 (road), IRO Rob Roy (Fixed)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I see red running as a situational thing. It's usually an accepted risk some people will take - I do believe those actions reflect on other cyclists - but as Jeff said, motorists will use anything as fuel for their fire - they just get pissed at us regardless.
Flimflam is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 11:20 AM
  #10  
lil brown bat
Senior Member
 
lil brown bat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Boston (sort of)
Posts: 3,878

Bikes: 1 road, 1 Urban Assault Vehicle

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Flimflam View Post
I see red running as a situational thing. It's usually an accepted risk some people will take - I do believe those actions reflect on other cyclists
If by "reflect" you mean "illogical drivers see a cyclist do X and conclude that a)X is bad for a cyclist to do, simply because it would be bad if you did it in a car, AND b)if this cyclist did it, they're probably all doing it," then yeah, I suppose that's true. If rationality plays any part in the equation, however, I think that's nonsense. If one acknowledges that running a red is a "situational thing", which I take to mean that whether it is a good idea or a bad idea depends on the situation, one must also acknowledge that the information that a cyclist ran a red light doesn't tell you enough to determine if it was a good or bad idea in that situation.
lil brown bat is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 11:40 AM
  #11  
AlmostTrick
Tortoise Wins by a Hare!
 
AlmostTrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Looney Tunes, IL
Posts: 6,490

Bikes: Wabi Special FG, Raleigh Roper, Nashbar AL-1, Miyata One Hundred, '68 Schwinn Orange Krate, and More!!

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1052 Post(s)
Liked 107 Times in 64 Posts
Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
If one acknowledges that running a red is a "situational thing", which I take to mean that whether it is a good idea or a bad idea depends on the situation, one must also acknowledge that the information that a cyclist ran a red light doesn't tell you enough to determine if it was a good or bad idea in that situation.
When ever a red light runner forces a motorist with a green light to brake, then I'd say it was a bad idea.
AlmostTrick is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 11:47 AM
  #12  
rocks in head 
...addicted...
 
rocks in head's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: East of the River, Washington DC
Posts: 923

Bikes: 1985 Alpine, 2007 IRO Rob Roy, 1986 Puegeot PGN-10, 1985 Ross Mt. Whitney, 1975 Gitane Gran Sport, 1991 Diamondback Master TG

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 157 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I think if the OP had to take evasive actions to avoid hitting said cyclist, he probably has enough information to determine whether the cyclist made a bad decision to run the light, IMHO.

I've rarely had an motorist yell at me (or honk) for running a light (I stop, look both ways, and go). Once the OP starts his bicycle commuting (assuming he actually does) he'll be able to better understand where the cyclist is coming from.
rocks in head is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 11:56 AM
  #13  
CliftonGK1
Senior Member
 
CliftonGK1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 11,375

Bikes: '08 Surly Cross-Check, 2011 Redline Conquest Pro, 2012 Spesh FSR Comp EVO, 2015 Trek Domane 6.2 disc

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
When ever a red light runner forces a motorist with a green light to brake, then I'd say it was a bad idea.
The law states that all vehicles have to stop for a red light, and that there are few exceptions* when you may progress while the light remains red. Running a red light, regardless of the reasoning, is a bad idea.

*RTOR after a complete stop, LTOR onto a one-way street (after a complete stop), malfunctioning traffic signal, maybe there's other exceptions.
__________________
"I feel like my world was classier before I found cyclocross."
- Mandi M.
CliftonGK1 is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 12:04 PM
  #14  
Podolak
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Syracuse, NY
Posts: 585
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
The law states that all vehicles have to stop for a red light, and that there are few exceptions* when you may progress while the light remains red. Running a red light, regardless of the reasoning, is a bad idea.

*RTOR after a complete stop, LTOR onto a one-way street (after a complete stop), malfunctioning traffic signal, maybe there's other exceptions.
Hey I've got to be honest with you guys. There isn't much traffic at 6:00 AM out my way. If I hit a red light and there is no one there or no one for a long ways up I run it. Even if I'm going straight through and not just a right on red. Yeah, its illegal. Yeah, it sets a bad example. But how about when cars "roll" through stop signs? Or how about when they do 65 in a 45? Even when others are around. If I ever run a red light and get hit, its my problem. I'm not trying to justify my actions. I know its "wrong". I tried stopping for every red light, even when there was no traffic. I didn't like doing it, so I don't.
Podolak is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 12:15 PM
  #15  
mtnwalker
Senior Member
 
mtnwalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Posts: 1,952

Bikes: '84 Centurion Accordo RS, '06 Gary Fisher Marlin, '06 Schwinn Fastback 27, '06 Litespeed Teramo

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Two wrongs doesn't make a right.

That being said, there is a stop sign on my commute that I don't stop for every morning. Its a very low traffic, residential area and stopping there is moronic. Unless of course there are cars waiting. I also run through red lights but only if its absolutely clear of any traffic. Its wrong but it feels so right.
mtnwalker is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 12:31 PM
  #16  
evblazer
Thread Killer
 
evblazer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Marfan Syndrome-Clyde-DFW, TX
Posts: 1,845

Bikes: Fuji Touring Xtracycle, Merlin Road, Bacchetta Giro 26 (Sold), Challenge Hurricane, Cruzbike Sofrider

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
It's a very telling figure of speech, I think. If you're going to be a commuter, you might think twice about it; we have enough so-called cyclists who scold cyclists and acts as an apologist for bad motorist behavior.
Well I guess I must apoligize to all other cyclists since well . I think I met one this morning that breaks the mold. They were in their 50s and actually like followed the law! Stopped at a red light, signalled to turn, had a rear blinkie and even stopped at a stop sign
That makes 2 that I have observed since I moved to Texas 3 years ago. I'm not perfect and neither are car drivers but most bicyclists I have observed are mostly in the "cyclists that give other cyclists a bad name" category.
On the very rare occasion I drive and even when I'm riding my bike I never know what to expect with another cyclist because there are so many different ways people ride their bikes and the different levels they feel traffic laws apply to them. With only cars in site I am careful but I know when I have a green light I can go watching for a right to on red person. When I see a cyclist it is much more complicated.

Most cyclists on this forum would probably be great examples anywhere they might ride but it is a small minority of cyclists overall that are on this forum and I do hope most places are better then my neck of the woods in general.

For the OP I'm glad you were attentive enough a driver to be able to stop in time even though you did have the green. With another driver we might have had another post in A&S about a cyclist hit crossing the street. Hopefully when you get out there on your commute you'll remember that incident and put it to good use.
evblazer is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 02:07 PM
  #17  
Chris L
Every lane is a bike lane
 
Chris L's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia - passionfruit capital of the universe!
Posts: 9,652
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by JeffS View Post
First, if your story begins with "I was driving to work", you're probably in the wrong forum.
A newbie who turns up, has a whinge in one forum only, then disappears when their view is challenged. Most newbies who are "planning on beginning soon" would be asking for advice, but this guy just registers and decides to rant. Hmmmm.

Originally Posted by JeffS View Post
I'm personally pretty fed-up with hearing about running red lights, or giving cyclists a bad name, or making drivers hate "us".

Bottom line - motorists are annoyed by cyclists. They pull out the "ran a red light/ran a stop sign/ rode in the middle of the road" story in an attempt to legitimize their feelings. As long as you're on the road, you're going to annoy them. Trying to mitigate that is pointless.
Not only this, but anyone who has ever stood on a street corner in this city for about five minutes would realise that cyclists aren't the only ones who regularly run red lights. I see motorists doing the same thing, pedestrians J-walking, you name it, it happens. Any motorist who gets upset about 1% of the population doing the same thing that everyone else does really needs to buy a sense of perspective.

If people are really concerned about red light runners, the solution is to campaign for more police officers to enforce the law, and heavier penalties for those who fail to comply, yet every time such moves are proposed, it's always the motoring lobby groups who oppose them. This doesn't sound like the actions of someone "pissed off" about law breaking cyclists.

I would have also thought that any motorist who thinks "all cyclists run red lights" would soon reach the point where it no longer surprises or excites them. I know I feel that way about abuse from motorists.
__________________
I am clinically insane. I am proud of it.

That is all.
Chris L is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 02:21 PM
  #18  
chipcom 
Infamous Member
 
chipcom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 24,365

Bikes: Surly Big Dummy, Fuji World, 80ish Bianchi

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
Do you feel that the actions of every motorist reflect on you? When some dingle does a stupid stunt, do you feel that that gives you a "bad name"?
Welcome to Bike Forums to you too, BB.
__________________
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
chipcom is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 02:22 PM
  #19  
chipcom 
Infamous Member
 
chipcom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 24,365

Bikes: Surly Big Dummy, Fuji World, 80ish Bianchi

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JeffS View Post
First, if your story begins with "I was driving to work", you're probably in the wrong forum.

----

I'm personally pretty fed-up with hearing about running red lights, or giving cyclists a bad name, or making drivers hate "us".

Bottom line - motorists are annoyed by cyclists. They pull out the "ran a red light/ran a stop sign/ rode in the middle of the road" story in an attempt to legitimize their feelings. As long as you're on the road, you're going to annoy them. Trying to mitigate that is pointless.

BTW, the majority of drivers I see during the day are going faster than than the speed limit. So, as far as the kettle's concerned, the pot can STFU.

-------
Nice welcome here too.
__________________
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
chipcom is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 02:26 PM
  #20  
syn0n
livin' the nightmare
 
syn0n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: desert
Posts: 491

Bikes: '81 Centurion SS coversion, other ****

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
Do you feel that the actions of every motorist reflect on you? When some dingle does a stupid stunt, do you feel that that gives you a "bad name"?
If the opinions that can be found on Bike Forums are any indicator, then I'd say yeah, lots of cyclists dislike motorists in general because some percentage of drivers are *******s. I think it's stupid to generalize anything in that way, just in the same way that some people say red-light running cyclists are a disgrace to cyclists.

While some people certainly do believe it, it's stupid. I don't feel disgraced because some jerk on a bike runs a red or some ******* in a car buzzes a cyclist. I get irritated with the individual, not their mode of transit. Flip 'em off, and keep moving.
syn0n is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 02:28 PM
  #21  
chipcom 
Infamous Member
 
chipcom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 24,365

Bikes: Surly Big Dummy, Fuji World, 80ish Bianchi

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Chris L View Post
A newbie who turns up, has a whinge in one forum only, then disappears when their view is challenged. Most newbies who are "planning on beginning soon" would be asking for advice, but this guy just registers and decides to rant. Hmmmm.
I might agree if he had done the classic troll and never responded after his OP...but he came back and responded to the crap some were giving him - so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
__________________
"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
chipcom is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 02:38 PM
  #22  
KeatonR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: CO
Posts: 480

Bikes: '05 Lemond Poprad, '13 Jamis Dragon Race 29er, Surly LHT

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts
I think one's actions as a cyclist can influence how a driver reacts to the next cyclist he or she encounters down the road. I've seen it happen. So if you're an every-man-for-himself, flip-them-all-off kinda person, as it seems some are, then by all means blow through the light.

For me, if there is any other traffic present, I stop and wait. If not, I go through.
KeatonR is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 06:26 PM
  #23  
aMull
Senior Member
 
aMull's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,779

Bikes: Leader 735TR 09 58cm 46/17

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Podolak View Post
I tried stopping for every red light, even when there was no traffic. I didn't like doing it, so I don't.
Don't worry about it, i regularly run red lights/stop signs. I'm not about to stop for an empty street or some light up above when there is no one around.
aMull is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 06:40 PM
  #24  
Stujoe
This Space For Rent
 
Stujoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Southern IL
Posts: 657

Bikes: 2007 Specialized HardRock Sport, 1982 Schwinn Super Le Tour

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Will a rider on a bike 'trigger' a green light if there is no traffic around? Or trigger a left green arrow if there is no cars there?
Stujoe is offline  
Old 09-19-07, 06:40 PM
  #25  
sfcrossrider
Senior Member
 
sfcrossrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,760

Bikes: Steelman eurocross, Surly CrossCheck, IRO Rob Roy...

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The rider on the bike almost was killed for being stupid. If he had been killed... you all would be b!tching about bad drivers. If you do something stupid on a bike (pull out in front of cars on a red) you put the rest of us at risk by p!ssing off the 98% of the public who doesn't commute by bike.
sfcrossrider is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.