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In that situation I'd probably opt for the parallel street.
Sometimes when I take a certain route home I am riding along in 3 lanes of stopped or slow moving cars and I have to turn left after about 1/2 mile of riding through this area so I just take the right lane and then get over when traffic slows to a crawl and filter. I ride a road bike with 42cm handlebars so I can fit through some pretty narrow gaps. The sidewalk would be my last resort...actually, it wouldn't even be a place I'd consider riding at all. |
Originally Posted by mikepoole
(Post 5442442)
Use the parallel street, and give the drivers in a hurry one more reason not to cut through a residential street at a high speed. I live on a street like this- about 3 car-widths wide, usually cars parked on both sides, so one clear lane up the middle. Anything that slows the traffic down and reduces the too-fast cut-throughs is fine by me- and probably is as well to the homeowners/residents on your parallel route.
Streets like this are used by cut-thru motorists and now cyclists are advocating locally for door zone bike lanes. That is the wrong approach - that will just put cyclists in a dangerous location and allow motorist to go even faster. What needs to be advocated for is zero tollerance enforcement for 25mph speed limit. Al |
Definately the sidewalk !
Cyclists are trained that sidewalk riding is bad for some reason and think whatever that badness might be it applies to all sidewalks everywhere just like whatever works for their commute in California should work perfectly for yours in NYC. Nothing is absolute. If you need the sidewalk, use it. You are obviously an intelligent and aware person, the hypothical horrors of sidewalk riding will not apply to you. |
Originally Posted by -=Łem in Pa=-
(Post 5443225)
You are obviously
an intelligent and aware person, the hypothical horrors of sidewalk riding will not apply to you. |
Originally Posted by noisebeam
(Post 5443052)
I wrote a very similar reasoning. It is streets like this that neighbors fight for speed humps and traffic calming to reduce the number of cut thrus. I wouldn't ride centerish to make a point for cycling advocacy, but instead for neighborhood advocacy. When I need to motor I also drive thru places like this at or below speed limit and watch for kids and cyclists.
Streets like this are used by cut-thru motorists and now cyclists are advocating locally for door zone bike lanes. That is the wrong approach - that will just put cyclists in a dangerous location and allow motorist to go even faster. What needs to be advocated for is zero tollerance enforcement for 25mph speed limit. Al |
Originally Posted by zoltani
(Post 5443421)
Since riding on the sidewalk is illegal in most states i would say this is bad advice.
None of the many Ive ever been in. In fact...on PGA Blvd in West Palm on part of my route in to work, there is a ped stop sign ....on the sidewalk !! :eek: Really....Its not a section I use, but people do. In the this area of FL, if you see someone on the sidewalk, its because they use the sidewalk ! ;) In otherwords, they are not dead :eek: |
Originally Posted by -=Łem in Pa=-
(Post 5443497)
None of the many Ive ever been in. In fact...on PGA Blvd in West Palm
on part of my route in to work, there is a ped stop sign ....on the sidewalk !! :eek: Really....Its not a section I use, but people do. In the this area of FL, if you see someone on the sidewalk, its because they use the sidewalk ! ;) In otherwords, they are not dead :eek: whatever, i cannot win this arguement it's like trying to convince wrong-way cyclists that they should go with the traffic. your safety is not the only one to think about |
The way you describe it there, I'd go for the sidewalk. Keep speed way down and watch for cars turning into you.
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Originally Posted by littlewaywelt
(Post 5442027)
three lanes in each direction on the main road that gets tied up.
Originally Posted by littlewaywelt
(Post 5442027)
on the parallel road it's probably three and a half cars wide, but cars park on both sides of the street. Getting two cars going opposite ways means someone has to pull to the side.
All things considered, I'd pick the side street unless it was too dark at night to see the rough surface well. |
deserted sidewalks are fair game, imo. I'm not out to teach motorists a lesson on what roads they should be using and what speeds they should be driving at. If the parallel street sucks, too, use the 'walk. people get their panties in a bunch because they think you might run over a ped. when in reality the peds are few and far between in some cities, esp. in the west.
ps you REALLY don't want to ride the sidewalk going against traffic though. trust me, I have scars that prove it. |
Filter. You don't like it when they pass you close because they could kill you. That's not the case when you are passing cars closely.
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Since riding on the sidewalk is illegal in most states i would say this is bad advice. Some facts: 1. I will never in a million years get stopped by a cop for sidewalk riding in Detroit no matter the law....99% of cops think that is where I belong. 2. There are no pedestrians or cyclists in metro Detroit. 99.9999999% of our hugely fat population drive everywhere. 3. When I'm riding the walk, I just drop it down three notches and cruise at about 12mph. I'm just as aware as all of you the risk of traffic crossing the walk without looking and I take it into account. Fundamentally I ride in the street and I'm glad my route to work is so accomodating for the 11 miles where that works. Faced with challenges though, take the sidewalk, take the other street, take whatever works. |
Originally Posted by rando
(Post 5444645)
I'm not out to teach motorists a lesson on what roads they should be using and what speeds they should be driving at.
The street I am talking about is Alameda. During rush hour its a bypass for Southern & Broadway. I may see up to 20 cyclist per mile at this time and some motorists are going 23-25mph, but there is alway one impatient idiot wanting to go 35mph+ and I feel no reason to let them, after all they will be stuck behind the next motorst going 25mph of which there are always a few. As you are probably aware, Tempe is looking at putting bike lanes, curb bulb outs with separated bike lanes, more speed humps, etc. along Alemeda to help reduce traffic volume and speed. I think a better solution is to enforce the SL and have cyclists use the lane instead of riding in door zones where the current plan is to place the BLs. If more cyclists today avoided riding in the door zones there would be fewer cut thru speeding motorists. Al |
yeah I see your point. Alameda does not need bike lanes, anyway... I wish they'd "improve" another road that needs it.
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I don't filter up on the right if there is no bike lane. Lots of reasons why, but some would just call them opinions, so I won't go into ti.
In your position, I think the best thing to do is use the side streets. Let the impatient cagers have their way. Sidewalks can be very unpredictable, and offer a shorter visual distance at driveway openings. That's how alot of kids get hit. |
I would take the sidewalk. I do the same thing on my commute home. I ride about 300ft of sidewalk because the road is too narrow, and I don't feel like inconviencing the cars. It's no big deal for me. If there are pedestrians then I just take it easy.
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Originally Posted by noisebeam
(Post 5441037)
Option two. Longer traveling motorists should not use neighborhood streets to cut traffic. They will learn it doesn't buy them any time trying to use this short cut.
Or modified option one which is to filter to the left of the line of cars, if this is possible. Al http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...munity-college I use the backups due to needing to get over the SR101 right during rush hour. I deal with the same problem yet the second option is painfully slow and I still need to use a major road road to get over the frikin highway anyway. I can usually wait a light cycle and get by on the second one. What is a few mins. if not, I filter on the left , more so if it is a empty left lane I just take it since I am moving faster than traffic. |
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