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Old 11-08-07, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by biknbrian View Post
Ah lights, the new helmets....
Exactly! Good catalyst to arouse the meddlesome Nanny Clique.
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Old 11-08-07, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
The Ignore list is your friend.
The ignore feature is certainly available. Ignore feature is especially useful for ignoramuses who boast that their best response to opinions that differ from their own is to read only those with which they agree.
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Old 11-08-07, 11:10 AM
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I'd be quite happy to never see another post from a self proclaimed Real/True/Serious/Competent/Smarter Cyclist whining about how the risk to themselves from "incorrect" cyclists is significent, and of the same magnitude or even greater than that of motorized traffic. "Correct" of course being defined by the I]Real/True/Serious//Competent/Smarter [/I]Cyclists as the behavior, technique and laws to which they happen to comply with on a chosen day.

I'd equally be glad to never see another post about how motorists and/or the general public's opinion of cycling would be raised if only these "incorrect" cyclists could be brought into line.

And most of all I'd like to see no more posts from Real/True/Serious//Competent/Smarter Cyclists proselytizing for "educating" the "other" cyclists with an education/training program (with illusionary benefits for the student) that they just happen to be promoting.
Rather than curse the darkness, which is something we are both good at doing, why not light a candle, or headlamp? Start a thread explaining just how you would start and run a training course in safe cycling. Or give an explanation of why you feel such a course is not needed. You obviously have some opinions on the subject, but it's hard to see them amid the tantrums you routinely throw. Please show us that the crank on your bike is NOT in the saddle.
 
Old 11-08-07, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Deamer View Post
OMG what else can they score points for?
this sounds like a great game to play
Riding on sidewalks

Riding against traffic

Riding without lights at night

Riding without a helmet (if under the age required by law to wear one). If you feel helmet use should be required of all cyclists, then award points to adults too.

Riding a bike that's too small for them. (This is a pet peeve of mine.)

Running red lights.

Any additions, folks?
 
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
The ignore feature is certainly available. Ignore feature is especially useful for ignoramuses who boast that their best response to opinions that differ from their own is to read only those with which they agree.
Were you picked on as a child? You certainly seem to carry a huge chip on your shoulder.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
The ignore feature is certainly available. Ignore feature is especially useful for ignoramuses who boast that their best response to opinions that differ from their own is to read only those with which they agree.
It's best used to tune out posters with little signal and much noise.
 
Old 11-08-07, 11:21 AM
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Were you picked on as a child? You certainly seem to carry a huge chip on your shoulder.
Is that your idea of a clever response? Read the posts from the last few posters. Do you think these smirkers are joking about their contempt for other cyclists who don't meet their own profile for Real Cyclists (like themselves), to include "proper" social/educational background?
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Old 11-08-07, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
Riding a bike that's too small for them. (This is a pet peeve of mine.)
Someone else's bike size peeves you? That's telling.
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Old 11-08-07, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
It's best used to tune out posters with little signal and much noise.
It's hilarious that you post this in response to the biggest noisemaker of them all.

Not that your post bothers me - but that you keep quoting the sole member of my ignore list does...
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Old 11-08-07, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
The ignore feature is certainly available. Ignore feature is especially useful for ignoramuses who boast that their best response to opinions that differ from their own is to read only those with which they agree.
Hey, I let you ramble on for a good 3 pages before I called you on your posts (and I generally do read everyone's opinion even if I don't agree with them).

I eagerly await your bashing...er I mean response.
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Old 11-08-07, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Is that your idea of a clever response? Read the posts from the last few posters. Do you think these smirkers are joking about their contempt for other cyclists who don't meet their own profile for Real Cyclists (like themselves), to include "proper" social/educational background?
Actually no, it was a serious question. If you're interested in helping people change their way of thinking, being so abrasive is likely not going to be very effective.

Yes, I did read the responses and frankly did not give them much weight. I suppose I don't take most posts as seriously as you seem to. I also could not care less how people who ride bicycles view or rank other people who ride bicycles.
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Old 11-08-07, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by biknbrian View Post
Ah lights, the new helmets....
What's wrong with lights? Personally, I think being seen by cars is a good thing if you're going to ride on the roads especially at night. Oh, and there's the whole "it's the law" thing too.

If nothing else at least if someone hits me at night they can't use the "I didn't see him" argument.
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Old 11-08-07, 11:38 AM
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I'll bite.

The cyclists that you describe I notice here are acting like pedestrians, and are generally going at a jogging pace.

Pedestrians generally don't have lights. Or helmets. Or direction-specific sidewalks.

Or some guy saying their shoes are too small.

So why are you so worried about these guys again?
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Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
I'll bite.

The cyclists that you describe I notice here are acting like pedestrians, and are generally going at a jogging pace.

Pedestrians generally don't have lights. Or helmets. Or direction-specific sidewalks.

Or some guy saying their shoes are too small.

So why are you so worried about these guys again?
Only one of them was on the sidewalk and he crossed the road while I passed him. It was merely an observation and I thought it stupid that people would be out riding after dark without any lights on their bike. I'd hate to see someone, yes even I-Like-To-Bike , get hit by a car because the driver of the car didn't see them (or for any reason actually).

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It's hilarious that you post this in response to the biggest noisemaker of them all.

Not that your post bothers me - but that you keep quoting the sole member of my ignore list does...
My writing about signal and noise to ILTB was an attempt at irony. Sorry I quoted him. No offense intended, even to ILTB.
 
Old 11-08-07, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
Pedestrians generally don't have lights. Or helmets. Or direction-specific sidewalks.
They're too slow and too nimble (hopefully, anyway) to, basically, "play with traffic". Sidewalks may not be direction-specific, but pedestrians tend to do the same as they do on the road -- stay to the right side. That way they don't have to dodge each other when it gets a little busy. They can also change direction quickly -- far quicker than even a bike -- and step out of the way if needed.

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So why are you so worried about these guys again?
I'm worried mainly for two reasons:

If they do get involved in an accident, they'll magnify the public notion that cycling just isn't safe (it realy isn't safe anyway, but.. ya know), and fewer people will want to try and/or accept commuting or running errands by bike. Fewer bike commuters means more hassle to gain some respect at work, at the store, on the street, etc.

My other reason is that I'm afraid that I'll hit one of these guys, whether in my car or on my bike. I can usually spot them in plenty of time because of their movement, but I still notice that it takes a lot longer -- they're a lot closer when I finally see them -- than if they were using lights. The riders that come the wrong way on the bike lanes along my route get themselves, myself, and nearby drivers into a pickle since there's just barely enough room for one cyclist to be safe, let alone two. It becomes a guessing game where I try to figure out whether to pass by on his left or right, whether he's going to guess the same thing, and whether the car off my left shoulder is going to pass, keep pace, or hang back. They always have a guilty expression on their face, too, so I guess they know that they should be one block over in the correct bike lane for their direction.
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Old 11-08-07, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
They're too slow and too nimble (hopefully, anyway) to, basically, "play with traffic". Sidewalks may not be direction-specific, but pedestrians tend to do the same as they do on the road -- stay to the right side. That way they don't have to dodge each other when it gets a little busy. They can also change direction quickly -- far quicker than even a bike -- and step out of the way if needed.
You're giving the traffic-alertness and agility of your local pedestrians a lot of credit. I would not do the same with all of the ones I see around here. I see pedestrians all the time assuming they are visible when they are wearing all black on a rainy night, and striding in front of right-turning cars that are clearly not looking in their direction.

Speaking as a driver, bikes are almost always easier for me to see at night. Even stealth cyclists usually have at least one dirty reflector somewhere on the bike. Cyclists are also rarer in the rain, when night-time visibility is at it's worst, but pedestrians are still in the mix (That's not a complaint).

As for public concern, newspapers are full of stories about pedestrians getting run around here, but as of yet no one is scared to walk for that reason, as far as I know.

I won't go into the "stealth motorist" problem again.
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Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
You're giving the traffic-alertness and agility of your local pedestrians a lot of credit.
Ah; I should've clarified that I was talking about pedestrians while they're on the sidewalk, not while they're stepping into the domain of high-speed wheeled vehicles.

I've seen plenty of pedestrians amble cluelessly around DC streets, and not even all of them are tourists. The drivers usually assume that a ped is going to strut right in front of them (and it's usually a correct assumption), so when I'm being a pedestrian myself and waiting at a corner, I often end up waving cars past even when it's their turn to go.
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Good sized fine in CA in 2008 now right? Unless of course you are here illegally, which I'd guess they would just look other way as there is no chance of making that ticket stick.
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I know I had two light's to spare on a ride home about a month ago and I happened to bump into two cyclist riding in the dark without light's, I casually asked the one female cyclist if she would like a light for her bike, she pulled over and asked me the price and I told her it was free, she took the light and placed it on her bike right there and then while her male companion was just as happy when I gave him the other spare light and he did the same, they each shook my hand and thanked me, they rode off with light's while waving and yelling "Thanks again man!" and I could see them very clearly for at least five city blocks. Most of us fail to remember that we were all new to the cycling game at one time or another or just plain couldn't afford light's.
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It's kind of ironic that as I prepared to ride home from work this evening I remembered that I had taken the batteries out of my front light a couple days ago and forgot to put them back in. I really missed not having it as I rode home in the dark with only my rear blinkie.

I won't be making that mistake again.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
The ignore feature is certainly available. Ignore feature is especially useful for ignoramuses who boast that their best response to opinions that differ from their own is to read only those with which they agree.
You know you were on my ignore list for a long time but I removed you from it as I figured everyone has a right to an opinion, although you do seem to get some type of pleasure from finding something "wrong" with people and pointing it out to them until you turn blue in the face but that's cool, that's your "thing" your like the school bully, but some time's...just some time's, you have good advice or actually try to answer a question or are just plain pleasent, for those time's I'm glad I took you off of ignore doesn't mean I like you, (as you don't have to like me and I don't have to like you) just that I can tolerate you for those sane little moment's you have from time to time is all but most of the time I just ignore you. please feel free to point out my bad writting skill's or anything else you find....not right in your mind (as I'm sure you will)
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