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Roody 01-27-08 09:13 PM

I definitely would consider carrying the work clothes rather than counting on staying dry with any type of rain gear. I wear a quick dry T-shirt under a rain jacket, then put my wrinkle resistant dress shirt on over that after I get to work.

(Of course I'm not from the NW so I actually don't know what I'm talking about. Our rain in Michigan is simply a lot drier than the rain out there. ;))

mrbubbles 01-27-08 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by climbhoser (Post 6062221)
Gore-Tex does not lose it's waterproofness.

All Gore-Tex articles have a coating of DWR repellant on the outer shell. This repellant causes the water to bead. Without it your outer membrane will get soaked and heavy with water. It will not, however, leak. The sogginess will make it difficult for vapor to escape and it will create a micro-climate next to your skin that is humid and chilly....also known as clammy.

I think for biking in a downpour there is nothing better than a good gore-tex fabric unless you are comfy getting wet and going without. Most are not.

The acronym of DWR is durable water repellent, which Gore-tex is certainly not. It's just another marketing misnomer by WL Gore, it does wear off and it has to be reapplied once it wears off. Why do you think they sell after market Gore-tex fabric care products such as Granger and Nikwax?

serac 01-27-08 09:21 PM

Good luck on staying dry enough while commuting to roll into work off your bike and be presentable. I have long given up staying dry while commuting. Instead, staying warm is the key. That is much simpler and cheaper. I just get wet and deal. I'm still warm and it isn't bad. Trying to stay dry from the outside simply makes me wet from the inside. Gore-tex is ok waiting for a bus or mountaineering in dry air but it hasn't found a place for me on my bike commuting here in the PNW. It is quite humid while raining here and the moisture simply piles up. You will get wet if you ride any distance or go up any hills. There isn't anything wrong with that.

KrisPistofferson 01-27-08 09:23 PM

I carefully fold and pack good clothes, and use a good poncho or raincape that can breathe. The only time I wear form-fitting raingear is when I'm on a motorcycle and not physically exerting myself. For relatively sedentary activities like hunting or when it's super-cold Gore-Tex works great, though.

Anogar 01-27-08 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by BengeBoy (Post 6060848)
Hi again Anogar.

One thing that might fit your requirements better is if you at least change shirts when you get to the office. I find that when I cycle (hard) in the rain there's no way to avoid some moisture build-up inside my (goretex) jacket. Luckily, if I have a good baselayer on, the moisture is not on me; it's wicked away and it's on the inside of the jacket. (I have been using the long-sleeve synthetic long underwear that's available at REI and really like it).

Though it looks like you plan to commute in your business clothes, maybe just swapping out the shirt when you get to work might be a bit more comfortable.

Yeah, I decided it was a dumb idea. I'm flying up in the morning to check out my new office and such (I'm working in San Diego right now, but the new office is in Seattle), and I think I'll just figure out how to have a set of office clothes to change into. I'm crossing my fingers that I get a nice office to myself that I can just close the door and change in, so we'll see how that goes.

I'm trying out the eVent Elite 2.0 from Showers Pass. It's pretty much precisely what I'm looking for, so I have high hopes. Should show up soon, I'll be sure to report.

Either way, I think getting there presentable just isn't realistic, so I'll figure out how to transport a change of clothes dry, and show up early!

Roody 01-27-08 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by serac (Post 6062335)
Good luck on staying dry enough while commuting to roll into work off your bike and be presentable. I have long given up staying dry while commuting. Instead, staying warm is the key. That is much simpler and cheaper. I just get wet and deal. I'm still warm and it isn't bad. Trying to stay dry from the outside simply makes me wet from the inside. Gore-tex is ok waiting for a bus or mountaineering in dry air but it hasn't found a place for me on my bike commuting here in the PNW. It is quite humid while raining here and the moisture simply piles up. You will get wet if you ride any distance or go up any hills. There isn't anything wrong with that.

I totally agree that staying dry in all conditions is a losing battle. Of course, to some extent staying dry and staying warm are the same thing. If you're wet enough, long enough you will feel cold, even if the air temp is 70 degrees. It's always about finding that elusive balance between sweat and wet, and also balance body heat and the cold air.

In a cold rain, I'll wear a waterproof outer layer. Under that I wear a cotton jersey, with a wicking shirt under that. I know--everybody says don't ever wear cotton in cold weather. But in this case, the waterproof shell keeps you dry but makes you sweat. The wicking layer keeps your skin driy. The cotton midlayer absorbs and holds the sweat. When I get to my destination, I'm dry as toast, even though the cotton jersey is wringing wet with sweat.

Jarery 01-28-08 12:53 AM


Originally Posted by climbhoser (Post 6062221)
All Gore-Tex articles have a coating of DWR repellant on the outer shell.

The fact that a 100% waterproof material needs a dwr coating to protect it from the rain is quite ironic, and is precisely why goretex is way behind other fabrics now. Was great in our grandparents time, unfortunatly with a few billion in marketing over the years, people still think its great.

climbhoser 01-28-08 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by Jarery (Post 6063087)
The fact that a 100% waterproof material needs a dwr coating to protect it from the rain is quite ironic, and is precisely why goretex is way behind other fabrics now. Was great in our grandparents time, unfortunatly with a few billion in marketing over the years, people still think its great.

Yes it needs to be reapplied when it wears off.

Without it your 100% waterproof garment is still waterproof. As I mentioned before, it just loses it's breathability and you get humidity inside the jacket which, when combined with chilly air, makes clamminess.

MichaelW 01-28-08 12:29 PM

I have reapplied the DWR finish to Goretex with a warm iron and with Nikwax (both recomended by Gore) but the beading effect is never as good as new.
Without effective beading the fabric becomes sodden and non-breathable. Riding for 6 hrs in heavy rain with a sodden jacket is not much fun. It remains waterproof but you get more condensation and the jacket takes ages to dry out.
These days I use gortex as a summer showerproof carry-along and for tours. I prefer whenever possible to use a non-waterproof windproof smock, these can cope with a little light rain if its not cold.

For everyday all-weather riding below 16C I use Paramo which is the Grandaddy of softshell systems and storm-proof to expedition standards. The beading can be restored quite effectively and it always dries quickly. The only dissadvantages are that it is quite warm compared to most waterproofs (but not in a clammy way) and it is quite bulky to stash but I wear rather than carry it.

BengeBoy 01-28-08 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Anogar (Post 6062772)
Either way, I think getting there presentable just isn't realistic, so I'll figure out how to transport a change of clothes dry, and show up early!

BTW, depending on where you work -- you may find that "presentable" in the Seattle area is a pretty low bar. Workplace attire is pretty casual in most places...and even in "nice" places your typical REI attire is about all you need. And bikers changing in the washroom at work would not be unusual, either.

Just the other day I got in an elevator in a downtown office building w/a young woman nicely attired in semi-dressy work clothes, including a skirt and nice dressy shoes...carrying an expensive designer handbag...and wearing a full-frame, fully loaded backback. Did she hike to work? Was she going backpacking on her lunch hour? Leaving on a snowshoe expedition after work?

So, don't worry about changing at work. You'll fit right in.


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